Nah, the only people who should be tossed into the streets are those who demand the property of others. Those who can, do. Those who can't, find a taxpayer subsidy and whine about the unfairness of it all.
Nah, the only people who should be tossed into the streets are those who demand the property of others.
Ok, so how is a broke cancer patient demanding the drugs they need to stay alive NOT asking for the property of others?
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How is it possible that someone does not realize that a "taxpayer subsidy" is the very definition of "taking the property of others?"
Is it true the premiums are going up due to the requirements placed by the Affordable Care Act?
I love how progressives say "Nothing to see here". Program is great, its better than nothing, working as intended. and yet it seems to be me that more and more mainstream media (CBS/ABC/NBC) outlets are waking up to the fact this is is a disaster full of broken promises. Its a story that is on every network and almost once an hour. Progressive leasing comedians are making fun of the law.
Ask yourself honestly if George Bush passed this law and premiums are going up/website a complete cluster bleep that it wouldnt be a lot worse.
Statements spoke by the chief/progressives
1. Premiums to go down by $2,500-June 23 2007
2. everybody will get more and pay less-Pelosi 7.1.2012
3. 17 million kids denied coverage. False its more likely less than 1 million. The estimates are 4-17 million kids with preexisting conditions however most are already covered
4. Was to be negotiated in public-8/21/2008 false.
For those of you who are in favor of more taxes would you have been comfortable with British rule prior to the revolutionary war. Are you really represented right now if you only vote for the most progressive candidate every time? Isnt the NSA the same as having a soldier live in your house.Whats the difference?
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How is it possible that someone does not realize that a "taxpayer subsidy" is the very definition of "taking the property of others?"
Tell that to all those rich people who make their fortunes off of them, like Walmart.
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Taxation as theft ignores how the wealthy got (and stay) that way. Meritocracy and trickle-down are myths. The idea that they're selling -- that the poor are to blame for the woes of the middle class -- is patently ridiculous.
How is it possible that someone does not realize that a "taxpayer subsidy" is the very definition of "taking the property of others?"Tell that to all those rich people who make their fortunes off of them, like Walmart.
No kidding. Companies employ tens of thousands who need public assistance to survive. Not only do the companies not dispute this, they tacitly acknowledge it by advising their employees how to best collect public assistance. It's disguising.
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I still wish we could had a system here in the US that did the following:
- included all citizens
- ended employer provided healthcare plans freeing businesses to focus on their products
- allowed for a fully competitive marketplace across state lines (How many Geico/State Farm/Progressive/Allstate/etc. ads do I see for car insurance but nothing for health insurance competing?)
- provided full government sponsored coverage for basic health care at all ages (check ups, physicals, immunizations, etc.) and critical emergency coverage - private plans would augment the basics
- provided insurance for children and seniors above the basic level
- provided insurance for our veterans above the basic level
- focused on positive outcomes, disease prevention, health and wellness
- had a standardized record system that easily let me check all health care I've received and allow providers with my permission to access my medical records
- didn't limit your health care purchases based on relationship - so I can cover my friend or Uncle Vinny etc. on my plan as long as I pay the premium
Are you really represented right now if you only vote for the most progressive candidate every time? Isnt the NSA the same as having a soldier live in your house.Whats the difference?
Wasn't it the less progressive party that massively increased the surveillance state?
Seems to me that has to do with 9-11. At the time wasnt there a huge outcry from progressives on the monitoring our calls without a warrrant. But its ok now due to the current guy.
At also seems that this administration has increased it even more (see news on Germany/spain etc). Ohh wait its news to the president
I also thought i heard of a report that more people are opting for medicaid instead of the new law. And the law is taking funds away from medicaid?
I say get rid of the mandate and allow people to sign up for government sponsored care if they need it. Make it similiar to medicaid but for younger people. If not stop all exceptions and everyone in government including the president has to sign up for this.
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Believe it or not, I agree with wicked cool on that last sentence.
Seems to me that has to do with 9-11. At the time wasnt there a huge outcry from progressives on the monitoring our calls without a warrrant. But its ok now due to the current guy.
No, its still not ok. Its just that now there's no political allies for the opposition.
In other words, you cannot solve the security state problem by voting LESS Progressive. That would only make it worse. You cannot simply mindlessly grarg about the democrats and blame them for everything and propose voting for republicans is the solution when the problem is mostly the republicans fault, even if the democrats are mildly complicit.
And the law is taking funds away from medicaid?
This is patently incorrect.
I say get rid of the mandate and allow people to sign up for government sponsored care if they need it.
Ok, you do not understand how this is supposed to work.
The insurance company cannot turn people down for pre existing conditions,or drop people when they get sick. That costs them buckets of money.
In order to regain buckets of money, they are encouraging young, healthy people to sign up and drastically overpay for their insurance. Since young healthy people don't want to do that, the mandate is supposed to prod them in that direction.
The lack of those people signing up is going to be problematic for the insurance companies, and is i think a sign of people making an informed decision: Don't buy health insurance, pay the fine, and only get insurance after you get drastically sick (and the insurance company can't turn you down). Its whats in peoples own best interests.. I'm surprised the public is being that smart.
Without that mandate, Obamacare doesn't work.
The government is going to start raising the fine soon. Democrats don't want to see obamacare crash, and the republicans corporate masters don't want to lose buckets of cash.
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Yeah I' m a crazy guy who thinks that people shouldn't be robbed. You, on the other hand, seem okay with robbing people. As long as yor own hands don't get dirty.
I'm just a crazy guy who thinks that characterizing taxes as "robbery" is kind of disgusting and demonstrates a total lack of understanding (beyond that which you think Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead have imparted to you) of what it takes for a modern society to exist.
I love how progressives say "Nothing to see here". Program is great, its better than nothing, working as intended. and yet it seems to be me that more and more mainstream media (CBS/ABC/NBC) outlets are waking up to the fact this is is a disaster full of broken promises. Its a story that is on every network and almost once an hour. Progressive leasing comedians are making fun of the law.
They're making fun of the website. Which is low hanging fruit, but that's different from making fun of the law.
And, more importantly, not a one of them would prefer going back to the old way health care was done.
3. 17 million kids denied coverage. False its more likely less than 1 million. The estimates are 4-17 million kids with preexisting conditions however most are already covered
No, THAT is false. A 2008 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded that 9 million children lack healthcare coverage completely, and that another nearly 9 million lack full-time healthcare coverage.
lolconservativefacts
For those of you who are in favor of more taxes would you have been comfortable with British rule prior to the revolutionary war.
So, you don't actually understand why the Revolutionary War was fought, then?
Are you really represented right now if you only vote for the most progressive candidate every time?
Yes, you're really represented.
Isnt the NSA the same as having a soldier live in your house.
No.
Whats the difference?
Do yourself a favor and try and come up with an answer to your own question, first. I bet you can do it if you try!
LOL, every time I mention taxation as being the forced taking of property from someone, I get this surge of "Well, the rich bastards got rich by stealing from us poor folks anyway!" or "The rich can afford it" or similar comments.
It is almost as if these folks believe that taxing rich people alone could pay for all the stuff they want the government to buy.
I really think that's what is going to surprise the hell out of a lot of them, when they realize that the rich can't be taxed enough to pay for it all and the government will be coming to get a chunk from THEM too.
Ah well, we all have to learn lessons in life.
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LOL, every time I mention taxation as being the forced taking of property from someone, I get this surge of "Well, the rich bastards got rich by stealing from us poor folks anyway!" or "The rich can afford it" or similar comments.
It is almost as if these folks believe that taxing rich people alone could pay for all the stuff they want the government to buy.
I really think that's what is going to surprise the hell out of a lot of them, when they realize that the rich can't be taxed enough to pay for it all and the government will be coming to get a chunk from THEM too.
Ah well, we all have to learn lessons in life.
That's quite a chip you've got on your shoulder. Pray tell, what other "lessons" have I to learn, oh wise one?
For the record, I already pay a higher percentage of my income in taxes than the so-called 1%. Or have you forgotten this already?
Not that it matters -- unlike the Tea Party, I understand that my taxes haven't gone up under Obama. That's right. Revenue as a % of GDP isn't high...it's actually just about the lowest it has been in 60 years. You know what else has been going down? The effective tax rates on the highest earners. In other words, we have a revenue problem.
But sure, the poor people are engaging in class warfare. Those jealous bastards. /s
Please enlighten us on taxation. Is Englands taxation model fair or are you more in favor of how China runs things.
If i dont work or make less than X why am i entitled to free cable tv/car/housing/xbox/trips to see my family. Why am i not forced to work to pay back the state? Does citizenship matter for me to recieve benfits from the government such as education? And yet if middle class citizen goes to hospital he/she is forced to pay for bills or go to collections?
Since you are taxing me why does my money go to Egypt or any other country? Why do my taxes go towards your retirement/pension? dont give us Atlas Shrugged? Any kind of changes to pensions/illegal benfits/out of control welfare and its the progressives who fight tooth and nail for everything. If you are not any of those things than they dont care about you.
The tea party isnt about Rich people fighting. It looks like most are middle/lower class voters sick of their money being wasted and tired of being taxed.
The problem with this country right now is people working at mcdonalds/walmart/gas stations expect to make a decent living at these jobs. I'm sorry to say those jobs are not meant for that. they are meant for highschool kids. I say make people who are on welfare/buying lobster and going on trips with their EBT cards should have to take those jobs. Progressives are too busy trying to tax and drive out the good jobs (see Massachusetts for tech tax). These companies are for the most part are not foolish and move to another state (say Texas). Progressive are always try to find new ways to take our money (black boxes in cars that track mileage).
Let me ask you something Scott. If you lived on the border of say Massachusetts/New Hampshire and you had a choice to buy a product at a lower price in New Hampshire due to taxes would you. If you say yes than you arent really buying what you are saying. If you say no than good for you. Do you take any deductibles? If so why?
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The tea party isnt about Rich people fighting. It looks like most are middle/lower class voters sick of their money being wasted and tired of being taxed.
Yes, because we know how much the Koch brothers hate to see the middle and lower classes getting taxed, that's why they fund the tea party.
Is there any chance you could stop playing whackamole and simply popping up with a completely separate issue of grarg each time its demonstrated that your previous bit of irrational hatred was based on misinformation and illogical rhetoric?
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The tea party isnt about Rich people fighting. It looks like most are middle/lower class voters sick of their money being wasted and tired of being taxed.
I repeat: Revenue as a % of GDP is just about the lowest it has been in 60 years.
That's right: "Obama has raised taxes to records levels" is a bald-faced lie. So why all the anger just now, I wonder? Hmmm...
LOL, every time I mention taxation as being the forced taking of property from someone, I get this surge of "Well, the rich bastards got rich by stealing from us poor folks anyway!" or "The rich can afford it" or similar comments.
It is almost as if these folks believe that taxing rich people alone could pay for all the stuff they want the government to buy.
I don't think many people actually believe that.
But I do think it would be a start, and I do think that your particular tactic (of acting like we shouldn't do it because it would only alleviate some of the problem, as though there's any single solution that would fix the entire thing) is pretty foul.
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Taxes are necessary for society to function. We're all members of society. Why is this so hard to understand?
If my premiums get raised by losing my healthcare due to Obama then he in reality raised my taxes.
It seems to me the tea party is in favor of lowering the national debt, preventing tax increases (most often proposed by progressives, tighter border security, lowering government spending,opposing amnesty for illegals . This started before current president and seem to be reall started in 90's
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The tea party isnt about Rich people fighting. It looks like most are middle/lower class voters sick of their money being wasted and tired of being taxed.
No, it looks like a bunch are middle/lower class voters with levels of political sophistication so low that they can be manipulated into doing almost anything as long as it plays upon their deeply ingrained hatred. And the rest are the very wealthy who see the Tea Party as a tool to accomplish a political goal, and have managed to stretch the group's relevance out for a remarkable amount of time. It's only now starting to collapse in on itself from the sheer weight of its own crap.
The problem with this country right now is people working at mcdonalds/walmart/gas stations expect to make a decent living at these jobs.
If you work a full time job, and do it adequately, you should be making a living. Period.
Let me ask you something Scott. If you lived on the border of say Massachusetts/New Hampshire and you had a choice to buy a product at a lower price in New Hampshire due to taxes would you.
Literally on the border? Yes, sure. If I had to drive more than a couple miles out of my way, like nearly every resident of the state? No, probably not.
I'm glad that you bring Massachusetts and New Hampshire up, though. According to the Inc. 5000 list of fastest growing companies in the United States, both states have about double the number of entrants on the list that you would expect to see for a state with a population of their size (Mass. has a little less than six times the population of New Hampshire, but also has a little less than six times the Top 5000 companies that New Hampshire does). In other words, neither appears to have an advantage over the other when it comes to attracting growing businesses.
Isn't that just the weirdest thing?
If my premiums get raised by losing my healthcare due to Obama then he in reality raised my taxes.
I'm confused. Did Obama make you lose your healthcare, or did he raise your premiums?
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to prove, but New Hampshire, while having low sales taxes and no personal income tax, has pretty high property taxes and the "harshest" corporate tax burden in the country.
I'm confused. Did Obama make you lose your healthcare, or did he raise your premiums?
Both! Remember kids, Obama is the worst president evar.
I heard his administration has been committing war crimes in Pakistan and Yemen.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to prove, but New Hampshire, while having low sales taxes and no personal income tax, has pretty high property taxes and the "harshest" corporate tax burden in the country.
I'm trying to prove that the middle class is taking in the shorts to benefit the rich, but being told to blame the poor. And it's working.
Though really all one should need to do is look around.
Oh, that. Old hat, that is.
I heard his administration has been committing war crimes in Pakistan and Yemen.
I've heard he's an incompetent mastermind. Also, he's an iron-fisted dictator who can't control the federal bureaucracy. And he's rounding up the guns. And crushing freedom of speech (this one is usually said with no sense of irony whatsoever). He's Keynesian. Or Kenyan. Or something.
He's a bad, bad man.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to prove, but New Hampshire, while having low sales taxes and no personal income tax, has pretty high property taxes and the "harshest" corporate tax burden in the country.
I'm not sure how exactly they came to that determination (the source link in the article you provided is dead), but there are a number of states with higher tax requirements (even counting Massachusetts' Business Enterprise Tax). Far more importantly, the (conservative-leaning) Tax Foundation (the source in the article you linked to) declared New Hampshire 7th best in the nation in terms of favorability for businesses. Massachusetts doesn't even rank in the top half of the list. And yet (again) neither appears to have a demonstrated advantage over the other in terms of ability to attract growing businesses.
So weird.
I heard his administration has been committing war crimes in Pakistan and Yemen.I've heard he's an incompetent mastermind. Also, he's an iron-fisted dictator who can't control the federal bureaucracy. And he's rounding up the guns. And crushing freedom of speech (this one is usually said with no sense of irony whatsoever). He's Keynesian. Or Kenyan. Or something.
He's a bad, bad man.
You left out Atheist Muslim communist socialist
You left out Atheist Muslim communist socialistI heard his administration has been committing war crimes in Pakistan and Yemen.I've heard he's an incompetent mastermind. Also, he's an iron-fisted dictator who can't control the federal bureaucracy. And he's rounding up the guns. And crushing freedom of speech (this one is usually said with no sense of irony whatsoever). He's Keynesian. Or Kenyan. Or something.
He's a bad, bad man.
Oh right! Apologies to our worst (illegitimate) president ever. :P
Also, California and New York both rank at the very bottom of the nation in terms of how favorable the state is towards businesses, and yet both have far more businesses on the Inc. 5000 list than would be expected for a state of their size (and California's list skews towards the top, to boot, so they're not only attracting more fast-growing businesses, they're also attracting more of the fastest growing businesses; oh, and California has more companies in the Top 5000 this year than in any year since before 2007 which is as far back as Inc.'s database goes!).
Just totally mind-boggling.
So you would argue that the recent trend is those companies are not leaving massachusetts. Then why is the governor repealing a tech tax that he was in favor of less than a year ago. How many of these companies have leases that they cant get out of. Any relation to the fact that many of the best colleges are in Massachusetts so its easier to stay in that area. Do you think the choice is hard for any of them?most?
So if you lived on the border you would find a way to circuvent so you might not be buying into the more taxation equation. Would you feel guilty? Do you buy items on tax free holidays or do you wait until the day after? I know i dont wait and if im passing through NH i will buy something for less. But i'm undeducated and misguided and the Rush made me do it!!!!
Define a living? If i work full time at mcdonalds my pay should be what? $30,000 or $50,000. Should i be unionized and make as much/more than a teacher/electrician. Maybe the government should run restaurants. Its not fair that baseball players get millions to hit a baseball and the guy pumping my gas lives with his mom.
What should my living income be if im on welfare. Should i be entitled to xbox? Lobster dinner? Should i have more than the fool working at mcdonalds (he/she is only a fool for working as opposed to being on welfare)
"No, it looks like a bunch are middle/lower class voters with levels of political sophistication so low that they can be manipulated into doing almost anything as long as it plays upon their deeply ingrained hatred. And the rest are the very wealthy who see the Tea Party as a tool to accomplish a political goal, and have managed to stretch the group's relevance out for a remarkable amount of time. It's only now starting to collapse in on itself from the sheer weight of its own crap"-
Not buying that statement at all. Lets just see how far Ted Cruz gets. Lets see how close the viginia governors election is? In fact you seem to be the one with venom in your tone (political sophistication,ingrained hatred). Are they all misguided uneducated racists then. Does it bother you that we owe China money? Does it matter to you that your tax dollars go to public education and yet a private education is better? Does it bother you that kids are starving/roads and bridges are a mess and yet we give money to other countries. It clearly must bother you that Sarah Palin is back in the news and seems to be somewhat embraced and someone like Sebilious (spelling) isnt.
If you are Rich wouldnt you rather have more moderate rebublican candidates? Easier to control. Why support cruz over a moderate?
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So you would argue that the recent trend is those companies are not leaving massachusetts.
I don't need to argue that. That is literally the case.
Then why is the governor repealing a tech tax that he was in favor of less than a year ago.
I expect it has something to do with massive corporate lobbying.
How many of these companies have leases that they cant get out of.
What the balls?
Any relation to the fact that many of the best colleges are in Massachusetts so its easier to stay in that area.
I think that probably has something to do with it! It's almost as if taxes aren't the most important determinant of how a state manages to attract growing businesses!
Weird!
Do you think the choice is hard for any of them?most?
Why don't you tell me?
So if you lived on the border you would find a way to circuvent so you might not be buying into the more taxation equation. Would you feel guilty?
Maybe a little, but honestly it's kind of incredible the level of guilt I can tolerate!
Do you buy items on tax free holidays or do you wait until the day after? I know i dont wait and if im passing through NH i will buy something for less. But i'm undeducated and misguided and the Rush made me do it!!!!
That's very self-aware of you.
Define a living?
If i work full time at mcdonalds my pay should be what? $30,000 or $50,000.
Where do you live?
Regardless, it's nearly impossible to find somewhere with a single adult living wage requirement of more than $27,000 per year.
Should i be unionized and make as much/more than a teacher/electrician.
Should you be unionized? Maybe? Should you make as much as a trained professional? Probably not.
Maybe the government should run restaurants.
It does run some restaurants, but all restaurants? Nah.
Its not fair that baseball players get millions to hit a baseball and the guy pumping my gas lives with his mom.
There certainly are some legitimate questions as to whether that is a fair scenario.
What should my living income be if im on welfare.
That's a good question! What do you, think, wicked cool?
Should i be entitled to xbox? Lobster dinner? Should i have more than the fool working at mcdonalds (he/she is only a fool for working as opposed to being on welfare)
I think the guy working a full time job should probably make more, don't you?
"No, it looks like a bunch are middle/lower class voters with levels of political sophistication so low that they can be manipulated into doing almost anything as long as it plays upon their deeply ingrained hatred. And the rest are the very wealthy who see the Tea Party as a tool to accomplish a political goal, and have managed to stretch the group's relevance out for a remarkable amount of time. It's only now starting to collapse in on itself from the sheer weight of its own crap"-
Not buying that statement at all.
Yeah, see, we know you don't buy it. And that's what we've identified as the problem.
Lets just see how far Ted Cruz gets.
Siberia, I hope.
Lets see how close the viginia governors election is?
Polls show McAuliffe leading by between 4 and 15 points, with an RCP average of +8.3. If you're his opponent, that is not where you want to be six days before an election.
In fact you seem to be the one with venom in your tone (political sophistication,ingrained hatred).
Those things are all true.
Are they all misguided uneducated racists then.
No, just enough of them.
Does it bother you that we owe China money?
No.
Does it matter to you that your tax dollars go to public education and yet a private education is better?
Have you stopped beating your wife? If you want a simplistic answer (and you very obviously do), stop asking loaded questions.
No, it doesn't bother me that my tax dollars go to funding public education. In fact, I wish more of my tax dollars went to funding public education. If I could wave a hand and impose a progressive-to-10% income tax hike that went exclusively towards funding public education, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Does it bother you that kids are starving/roads and bridges are a mess and yet we give money to other countries.
No, because giving money to other countries is important, too. But you're right, we absolutely need to get to work on funding infrastructure rehabilitation efforts, and doing more to combat child poverty (like ensuring that more families earn a living wage!) would be awesome, too!
It clearly must bother you that Sarah Palin is back in the news
Not at all. The more time that woman spends near a microphone, the better!
and seems to be somewhat embraced and someone like Sebilious (spelling) isnt.
I think that probably has something to do with Sebelius having an actual job, and Palin not having an actual job.
If you are Rich wouldnt you rather have more moderate rebublican candidates?
If I were rich I'd rather have candidates that support my agenda and can motivate the base needed to win them an election.
Easier to control. Why support cruz over a moderate?
Because you get enough moderate Republicans in the same room and they might accidentally compromise with the Democrats. But elect a Ted Cruz or two and you can shut down the entire government if you don't get your way!
You don't "control" candidates. The best candidates are the ones who don't need to be controlled, because they're on your side. You need to control the base.
Don't bother, Scott. Clearly the working poor are the greedy ones. :P
Don't bother, Scott. Clearly the working poor are the greedy ones. :P
How dare they aspire to a living wage! Don't they know they should be paying for a private education they can't afford in order to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?
As an aside, I do not mind China owning 8% of the US's debt.
Yeah, seriously, from an IPE standpoint this is actually really awesome and all but ensures a lasting peace between major world powers.
Don't bother, Scott. Clearly the working poor are the greedy ones. :PHow dare they aspire to a living wage! Don't they know they should be paying for a private education they can't afford in order to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?
And don't forget that many have the audacity to hope that their children, should they be unfortunate enough to become sick, won't die in a ditch. Leeches.
Really, we should just shout "bootstraps!" at chronically ill children who can't afford treatment. It's their fault for getting sick. They should buckle down, master medical science, and treat themselves!
LOL, every time I mention taxation as being the forced taking of property from someone, I get this surge of "Well, the rich bastards got rich by stealing from us poor folks anyway!" or "The rich can afford it" or similar comments.
It is almost as if these folks believe that taxing rich people alone could pay for all the stuff they want the government to buy.
I don't think many people actually believe that.
But I do think it would be a start, and I do think that your particular tactic (of acting like we shouldn't do it because it would only alleviate some of the problem, as though there's any single solution that would fix the entire thing) is pretty foul.
Scott, you have a habit of making assumptions about people and then doing all sorts of nasty accusations and attacks based on your assumptions. It's a bad habit that you really should investigate improving.
I never said anything about NOT taxing rich people. I am simply pointing out that there isn't enough money available from taxing rich people to pay the bills that the USA is wracking up. To pay those bills, they HAVE to tax the middle class. As I am sure you know.
Well, or cut spending.
I'm all for cutting spending, in the right places.
Cut the military budget in half and get out of (at least most) foreign military entanglements.
Halt tax subsidies for corporations earning billions in profit, including drawing down farm subsidies.
I never said anything about NOT taxing rich people. I am simply pointing out that there isn't enough money available from taxing rich people to pay the bills that the USA is wracking up. To pay those bills, they HAVE to tax the middle class. As I am sure you know.
So, to be clear then (wouldn't want to make any assumptions!) you think that imposing progressive taxes to cover the country's financial obligations is something that we should be doing, yes?
One final comment on this thread. I have been viciously attacked multiple times by the sweet, tolerant progressives on this board for having made some very simple predictions over the past several months. Well, let's review the predictions I made and check today's headlines shall we?
1. I predicted that people who had been told they could keep their health care would learn that was a bald-faced lie. How many stories are on the front page this week about how Obama KNEW this was a lie when he said it? And these stories are not from some right-wing source, these are stories from the mainstream media, NY Times, CBS News, MSNBC, etc.
2. I predicted that Obamacare would result in people learning that their health care premiums would go up when they got their 2014 premium notices. Again, the news if absolutely full of stories about people who are in SHOCK about their new premiums.
3. I predicted that the Obamacare website rollout would be an absolute debacle and that it would take months to get it working. Again, read the news.
For these predictions and others I was pilloried and quite viciously, just as Scott did above.
And guess what folks. This is just beginning. Unless by some miracle the website can be fixed within a few weeks, the next chapter of this historic debacle will begin to unravel when the deadlines for signing up have to be pushed back, and that drives a chain of events that will skyrocket 2015 premiums.
This has never been about ideology with me. I have repeatedly said that I even support some of the goals of Obamacare.
This has always been about pure incompetence.
And that's why we see what we see in the news today. And it's not going away.
One final comment on this thread. I have been viciously attacked multiple times by the sweet, tolerant progressives on this board for having made some very simple predictions over the past several months.
So vicious.
2. I predicted that Obamacare would result in people learning that their health care premiums would go up when they got their 2014 premium notices. Again, the news if absolutely full of stories about people who are in SHOCK about their new premiums.
Others, however, are learning that they can suddenly afford healthcare that they never could have had previously. Amazing!
3. I predicted that the Obamacare website rollout would be an absolute debacle and that it would take months to get it working. Again, read the news.
Of all your predictions, this one was by far the most foolproof.
For these predictions and others I was pilloried and quite viciously, just as Scott did above.
So vicious.
But seriously, who attacked you for saying that the ACA website rollout would be buggy?
This has never been about ideology with me. I have repeatedly said that I even support some of the goals of Obamacare.
This has always been about pure incompetence.
Blaming incompetence for the ACA website rollout is pretty shortsighted. The reality is that this project was likely one of the most complex (if not the most complex) software development challenges in human history, and there is probably no company on the planet that could have delivered on it without running into major issues.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to prove, but New Hampshire, while having low sales taxes and no personal income tax, has pretty high property taxes and the "harshest" corporate tax burden in the country.I'm not sure how exactly they came to that determination (the source link in the article you provided is dead), but there are a number of states with higher tax requirements (even counting Massachusetts' Business Enterprise Tax). Far more importantly, the (conservative-leaning) Tax Foundation (the source in the article you linked to) declared New Hampshire 7th best in the nation in terms of favorability for businesses. Massachusetts doesn't even rank in the top half of the list. And yet (again) neither appears to have a demonstrated advantage over the other in terms of ability to attract growing businesses.
So weird.
Yeah, I'm still not sure what you're arguing. Mass. has a corporate income tax rate of 8%. New Hampshire has one of 8.5%.
OK Scott, to be fair I wasn't attacked so much for predicting the website problems. But anything that has to do with the motivations or predictable effects of the law have put me squarely in yours and others attacks. And yes, Scott, your attacks are vicious, hateful, and if I cared a whit about your opinion, hurtful. You make everything personal. It seems to be a compulsion of yours.
I say again, as I leave this thread. This is not over. There is more to come. You can continue to desperately cling to some shred of credibility as you continue to support this historic debacle all you want.
What you REALLY should be doing is figuring out how to recover from this mess before the USA decides en masse that the government simply can't be trusted with health care.