*cheers* It was good news to see NEW episodes, especially since it involved the debut of one of my favorite Secret Warriors. YAY for Secret Warriors!
Also more Hydra stuff is awesome.
Coulson's new hand is pretty neat.
Fitz and Simmons are starting over! YAY!
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A nice return from the break….
Love the stuff with Fitz and Simmons.
I loved seeing the President again. It’s nice that they can have bit roles like that showing up in the movies and TV shows. Gives a nice sense of the increasingly shared universe.
Coulson is a bad ass. Loved the new hand. Can’t wait to see what it can do.
Although I’m not particularly fond of the actor, it was nice to see the young Strucker character again. Maybe they can bring him back, eventually, to full functionality as another leader of another branch of Hydra.
Speaking of Hydra – looks like they’re going to be the main baddies for the foreseeable future. Not particularly fond of that. It’ll be interesting, though, to see where things go with Hive. It looks like he’s going to be putting the mental whammy on Gideon and any other non-Inhumans who don’t fall in line with his program.
I’m hoping that, as Hive grows stronger, he’s going to take on a cooler look. Maybe something more like what they show in the comics. Although I have a feeling they might reserve that for special occasions, just so they don’t have to go through the special effects of it all.
A nice return from the break….
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Naturally, you would root for the post "death" guy.
How many times now have Simmons and Fitz "started over" ?
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Naturally, you would root for the post "death" guy.A nice return from the break….
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Hey I root for him! Anything that makes Hydra more bad ass is a plus in my book.
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Good episode! I liked just about everything about it.
Spoiler:Speaking of Hydra – looks like they’re going to be the main baddies for the foreseeable future. Not particularly fond of that. It’ll be interesting, though, to see where things go with Hive. It looks like he’s going to be putting the mental whammy on Gideon and any other non-Inhumans who don’t fall in line with his program.
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Good episode! I liked just about everything about it.
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Ah....
And it makes sense why he was banished, and why no other Inhumans would have tried to rescue him during all those years of imprisonment. If he can control most inhumans, then they're the last people who might want him around, taking away their own free will.
It raises some questions, however:
If inhuman powers emerge based on some "need", then has another leader/control type emerged in that time? And have some inhumans emerged who have the power to resist such control?
Who banished this guy? Clearly, he had human followers before he was banished, and they evolved into Hydra. But someone had to oppose him. Maybe some Inhumans who could resist him long enough to get some human assistance in banishing him? Maybe a Kree?
How long will it be before they reveal that the ones who banished or helped banish him were the earliest forerunners of what would eventually become SHIELD?
Maybe he was banished by some alien race, cosmic being, the celestials, or just Inhumans/Humans. I hope we found out eventually.
'Need' makes sense for Lash now. He's here because of ex-Ward. Now, is he an assassin working for ex-Ward or designed to take out ex-Ward?
Spiral,
I think the need for Lash is to kill Hive. I still don't agree with Lincoln's and the other Inhumans not named Royal that Terrigenesis isn't random. But then again I'm a fan of the comics so what do I know? :p ;)
Regardless, I do think Hive's ability to enslave Inhumans is directly related to his ability to take over bodies. Think of him as a living infection, which most humans are fortunately immune to. At least, I hope so.
Lash could simply be population control.
Lets face it up until now the Inhumans were deliberately keeping their numbers low. Perhaps the Kree decided there was a "safe upper limit" on the population. Too many and they risked rebellion
Too many and maybe the Kree started having to face a war they couldn't win.
They do have standing orders to swing by and kill anyone using the old Temple and crystal set up.
clearly whatever put an end to that experiment left a mark.
I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Black Bolt, Grey.
*cheers* YAY! More Carl "Crusher" Creel! :D
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Cool!
So, now we know some things about Hive. He can only posses dead humans. He can heal damaged host bodies, but only by sacrificing other humans. He's got some immunity to other inhuman powers (or, at the least, a way to counteract them). And it looks to be confirmed that he can control other inhumans.
And with all these Hive developments, it makes me wonder if Malick is going to soon regret rescuing his good buddy.
Loved seeing Lincoln in action again.
How much fun must it be for an actor that within a single TV show you get to play 3 different characters
Secret Agent Man Ward
Hydra Ward
and now Hive
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That was ok….
I like Bobbi and Hunter, so a focus on them was cool. I think they have great on-screen chemistry, and both actors are really good at injecting humor into their performances. Sad to see them written off for now. As I recall, however, they might be getting their own spin-off show, which could be cool. And since they’re still alive, they can always be brought back in at a later date.
I thought the Russian General Inhuman was kind of lame. Animated Darkforce – ooohhhh. They might be overusing that stuff. At least it was nice to see something that might give the team (even May) a little trouble.
That whole farewell scene in the bar was kind of lame. Seriously, they’re being kept under surveillance by at least one alphabet soup agency. You really think that person wouldn’t recognize so many “former” SHIELD agents in one place? Especially high-ranking ones like May and Coulson? Come on!
I do like this direction their going in with SHIELD being a way more clandestine/”doesn’t exist” organization. It seems to fit better than the high profile they had until Winter Soldier.
I think we might have seen the first inklings of Gideon Malick not being happy about playing second fiddle to anyone. He seems pretty use to being top dog (or at least one of them). His comment about wanting to know what Hive has planned might lead to some interesting events. Still so happy they brought in Powers Booth to do that.
Not sure I had the same level of feels about this episode as I did about last night's Supergirl. But then again, that's the difference between being a spy show and being super hero show.
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I'm split on this.
Bobbi is probably my favorite character, at the moment (she's like May, with a personality!), so her leaving to her own show is a sort of mixed blessing for me. (Yay! More Bobbi! Boo, less Bobbi on *this* show.)
Hunter is darn close to my current least favorite, although Lightning Lad is also jockeying for the bottom rung, since both of them seem to have the recurring theme of screwing up a lot, and yet getting away with it. (My least favorite remains Coulson. Didn't really like him much in Iron Man 2. Actively disliked him in Thor. He was okay in Avengers (although everyone else seemed to go from 'his first name isn't 'Agent?' to 'OMG, my soulmate Phil Coulson has died! Let's call ourselves Avengers in his honor!'), and he's only gotten smarmier post-death, IMO.)
The show seems to be ever-so-glacially turning into a super-team show, with super-people like DaisyQuake and LightningLincoln and, uh, the other guy, MetalMelterDude, making yet more spies like Hunter and Bobbi kind of surplus-to-the-requirements. I don't know if I want Agents of SHIELD to become a super-hero show, and think that keeping Bobbi and Hunter here (with May, Mack, Fitz, Simmons and other Agent-y non-supers) and spinning off a Secret Warriors show with the super-peeps might have been a better choice.
Or maybe both shows will have a mix of agents and super-agents, who knows?
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I like to see them expand the roster of villains, but....
Still, the Watchdogs were a nice touch. And they fit the storyline perfectly. The masks were kind of stupid, however. If you're going to make them wear something that idiotic, at least give the mask some cool tech features.
I liked the interactions with Mack and his brother. He's quickly becoming a favorite character of mine. He's a good field leader.
As much as I like Daisy, I thought she was getting kind of annoying this episode.
The scenes with Coulson and Lincoln were cool. It's nice to see Coulson mentoring.
And it looks like the next episode will finally reveal Hive to SHIELD. From the preview, it looks like Fitz will right away suspect who/what is in Ward's body. That's good. It'll save time.
I like to see them expand the roster of villains, but....
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It's kind of a systemic problem within the MCU. Almost every thing has ties to HYDRA. Only the cosmic stuff and the Netflix shows are free from having HYDRA be at the root of absolutely everything.
I like to see them expand the roster of villains, but....
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It's all a Nemesis plot!
* That concludes this week's obligatory City of Heroes reference....
Now you are making me cry. :(
It's kind of a systemic problem within the MCU. Almost every thing has ties to HYDRA. Only the cosmic stuff and the Netflix shows are free from having HYDRA be at the root of absolutely everything.I like to see them expand the roster of villains, but....
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I liked all the Hydra connections originally, but kind of ready for a break, and for them to bring in the 10 Rings or AIM more. It's not like the movies are doing much with those organizations anyway
At least Daredevil added in The Hand as a new evil organization?
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Now you are making me cry. :(
It's all a Nemesis plot!* That concludes this week's obligatory City of Heroes reference....
Still my favorite online game after all this time. Maybe the fact that the great equipment chase isn't part of it. Or the fact that pick up groups were viable all the way to the end game. Or that if you didn't live on the game and do the most recent expansion as quick as you could you weren't left behind the power curve like in other games.
Gone before its time...
[tangent] I was at a talk by the creator at Origins and he mentioned that people thought he was crazy making an MMO that had no equipment / loot (because, as he said, Batman doesn't beat up the Penguin and then steal his umbrella to incorporate into his own schtick), and no 'stats' or ability scores built in to character generation (Str, Dex, Con, etc.), and until he said that, I hadn't even noticed those things, and retroactively agreed that he was swimming against conventional game design wisdom, not having 'stats' or 'loots.'
Man, what a revolutionary game!
And as for the topic of Agents of SHIELD and Marvel, they did everything in their power to strangle City of Heroes in it's crib, first with a lawsuit, then with the whole 'Build a game for us! Oh, you've spent millions? We changed out mind, ha ha!' bait and switch (that later turned into Champions Online, which still had Marvel DNA all over it, with starting zones that screamed 'Hulkbuster base' and 'Alpha Flight's Canada'). I was pretty mad at Marvel for that stuff, back in the day. [/tangent]
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Way to be the badguys shield.
Way to be the badguys shield.
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
What did they do that made the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the bad guys?
I wouldn't say the Agents of SHIELD have become bad guys... But I will say Quake is going off the deep end. She's getting quite mad with power and authority and somethings gonna come to a head with her...
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Way to be the badguys shield.I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
What did they do that made the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the bad guys?
Illegally hacking someones computer to find them , using a lethal weapon to blast their car off the road, then pointing a gun at them to interrogate them. This was all against someone that merely exercised their first amendment protected speech and they had no reason to suspect had done anything else (and Daisy didn't care)
Illegally hacking someones computer to find them , using a lethal weapon to blast their car off the road, then pointing a gun at them to interrogate them. This was all against someone that merely exercised their first amendment protected speech and they had no reason to suspect had done anything else (and Daisy didn't care)Way to be the badguys shield.I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
What did they do that made the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the bad guys?
That's the thing though. S.H.I.E.L.D. is not the police (and haven't been since The Winter Soldier).
They are a "Black Ops Team." All those things are exactly what the President authorized when he put Colson in charge of the ATCU.
Way to be the badguys shield.I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
What did they do that made the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the bad guys?
Illegally hacking someones computer to find them , using a lethal weapon to blast their car off the road, then pointing a gun at them to interrogate them. This was all against someone that merely exercised their first amendment protected speech and they had no reason to suspect had done anything else (and Daisy didn't care)
Yep, all daisy. I will say I loved seeing everyone ELSE having issues with her new gung-ho attitude.
Although to be fair, she was illegally hacking computers from episode one... that was just her 'thing'. Between the powers and May's training... it WAS nice to see her use some of those season 1 & 2 skills that made her supposedly 'special' in the first place.
That's the thing though. S.H.I.E.L.D. is not the police (and haven't been since The Winter Soldier).
They are a "Black Ops Team." All those things are exactly what the President authorized when he put Colson in charge of the ATCU.
Which the president can't do. He can't just give authority that he doesn't have in the first place.
Its one thing when its in response to a guy you know blew up a city, but when you use that sort of unconstitutional authority against someone that said something mean about you on the internet? You've become the thing ou're supposed to be fighting. Especially considering where daisy started as being against that sort of BS....
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Even if he had the legal authority, the fact that the President authorized something doesn't magically make it morally right.
I do find it interesting that Daisy is the one going off the deep end considering her past as a hacktivist complaining about government secrets and abuses. She has become almost exactly what she once feared.
I think she's rapidly approaching being called out on it, though, so that should be interesting. I mean, neither Mack nor Fitz were cool with it, and seem unlikely to continue to go along with this kind of thing in the future.
It's kind of a systemic problem within the MCU. Almost every thing has ties to HYDRA. Only the cosmic stuff and the Netflix shows are free from having HYDRA be at the root of absolutely everything.I like to see them expand the roster of villains, but....
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Well the Netflix shows all seem to be tied into Roxxon somehow, and weren't they involved with Hydra?
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Way to be the badguys shield.I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
What did they do that made the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the bad guys?
Illegally hacking someones computer to find them , using a lethal weapon to blast their car off the road, then pointing a gun at them to interrogate them. This was all against someone that merely exercised their first amendment protected speech and they had no reason to suspect had done anything else (and Daisy didn't care)
Didn't she mention that when she hacked him, there were communications between him and Watchdogs. Direct communications with a terrorist group is probably cause and not simply free speech.
Anyway, black ops organizations don't really have to care about such things as human rights, due process or respecting one's dignity.
-signed, the bad guys.
Well, duh. DaisyQuake has leveled enough so that she has a constant detect evil in effect. ;)
AoS's writers/showrunners/powers-that-be, like Zack Snyder, don't really seem to understand "subtle" or "nuance"; when they decide to veer from black & white good & evil, they hit the viewers over the head with it. Repeatedly. Since they seem mandated to set up for the summer MCU blockbusters, everyone on AoS will start having to neatly line up on the Cap or Stark side. This week it was just DQ's turn to wear the plot blinders.
I was unaware that Snyder had anything to do with the MCU...
Sure you don't mean Whedon?
Yeah, my comment reads unclear. I meant that neither Snyder nor the AoS writers/PtB are subtle, not that Snyder had any involvement with AoS.