Tonight's show was FANTASTIC!
Was the fake clairvoyant the guy from Lord of the Rings: the Two Towers (Grima Wormtongue)
Yes confirmed: Brad Dourif was the fake clairvoyant.... I only hope he downloaded his consciousness and we'll see him again on a BIG ROBOT CHEST SCREEN ;)
But, does that mean ...
... is the true Clairvoyant?
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Yes confirmed: Brad Dourif was the fake clairvoyant.... I only hope he downloaded his consciousness and we'll see him again on a BIG ROBOT CHEST SCREEN ;)
I can't imagine they'd hire Brad Dourif and then use him in a throw-away role. They will use him again.
Also, "Department H"! If they manage to introduce Alpha Flight, I'll piss myself. (Yeah, I know, fat chance. Still, I can dream can't I?)
Yes confirmed: Brad Dourif was the fake clairvoyant.... I only hope he downloaded his consciousness and we'll see him again on a BIG ROBOT CHEST SCREEN ;)I can't imagine they'd hire Brad Dourif and then use him in a throw-away role. They will use him again.
Also, "Department H"! If they manage to introduce Alpha Flight, I'll piss myself. (Yeah, I know, fat chance. Still, I can dream can't I?)
There has been some odd rumors of an Alpha Flight movie in Phase three so it's not impossible
I mean we are getting a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, Alpha Flight isn't so far fetched is it
Back to last night though
Great episode and some awesome set up going into Captain America this weekend.
and I think they are using the opportunity of near death and new responsibilities to retool Skye's personality a little bit. Although I found Ward mooning over her a little annoying.
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I agree we will see Brad Dourif again. Although any future Zola role will probably be reserved for Toby Jones (chest screen or not), I cannot fathom Brad being used only for 5 min like this.
Plus it appears Agent Ward had instructions to kill him (I think the Clairvoyant is done with his organic body and achieved 'transcendence' somewhat... and forced Ward, somehow, to finish him). The immediate gut feel is "Brad Dourif is ULTRON!" but we all know James Spader got the part.
So what other Marvel character used to be human but is now a machine, other than Arnim Zola? there's sooooooo many Marvel robots it's not funny.......
I kind have a suspicion that Victoria Hand as a bad girl is a red herring... she's being manipulated by the Clairvoyant posing as SHIELD top levels... also, could this "SHIELD vs. SHIELD" be a seed that is exploited in the Cap 2 movie? (I don't want to know... don't spoil me)
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Maybe this is the start of MODOK
Maybe this is the start of MODOK
This has been my thought too. The Clairvoyant can't see the future, but is such a super intelligent being, he sees all the possible outcomes and predicts the most likely results.
So what other Marvel character used to be human but is now a machine, other than Arnim Zola? there's sooooooo many Marvel robots it's not funny.......
Well, there is Box. And then the reference to Department H wouldn't be as throw-away.
But that's wishful thinking...
Isn't it??? :)
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The thing about the Clairvoyant is that he's not a team player, and has committed many acts of evil... he is in the true sense of the word, a villain. I doubt they will redeem him or take a Marvel hero as a template for the Clairvoyant...
There is the possibility that it's Victoria Hand, but I'd be extremely disappointed. There is the possibility also that this is a brand new villain created for the Marvel show, just like Coulson + friends were recently created....
The thing about the Clairvoyant is that he's not a team player, and has committed many acts of evil... he is in the true sense of the word, a villain. I doubt they will redeem him or take a Marvel hero as a template for the Clairvoyant...
Well, Box was taken over by Jerome Jaxxon in AF #12 to kill Guardian, so he has been a "villain".
But yeah, to introduce him as a villain is probably stretching it.
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I'm on board with the "bait and switch" idea that Nash was put in front of the agents because The Clairvoyant knew Ward would snap and shoot him, allowing the real CV to disappear since everyone would think he's dead. As big a name as Brad Dourif is among genre fans, he might have been a red herring too. The show might keep paying him to be the voice of The Clairvoyant, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the real CV is using voice modulation to mask their true voice.
I doubt the CV is Victoria Hand too. I got the impression she ordered the strike on the Bus because she's been led to believe Coulson and company are the bad guys. Agent May might have been reporting to her as part of an internal investigation against the CV, and Fitz cutting the signal may have led Hand to believe May was killed in the line of duty. If the CV has access to all of SHIELD's files, they would probably know May was reporting from a hidden line on the plane and they could use that to turn the agents against each other.
Either way, the X-ray scan of Deathlok's face looked awesome and I hope we actually get to see his face eventually give way to that zombie-cyborg look Fitz's little robot saw because it looked a lot like the comic version of the character.
Skye is still my least favorite thing about the show, but all the good stuff in the last few episodes has really helped to cover her up.
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Hmm, there's also Machinesmith, whom Brubaker used.
Since Steve is in the 'Steve Rogers: super soldier' outfit in the movie, and that was introduced in a Machinesmith storyline...
I'm also getting the sense that Ultron will be rewritten to have been a Bruce Banner creation.Regarding Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch... stick around during the credits of Captain America.
There's also a scene after the credits.
That would be one way to go with it but I'm thinking it'll be more of a Tony Stark thing - it would make more sense imo. Blending Ch'Tauri tech with a new set of armor or upgrading Jarvis with Kree or Asgardian tech would seem to be a valid plot-point due to Tony's fear of not being able to protect the earth. I say this since
Of course, it all depends on what Stark Enterprises has Banner working on, but in the comics it was Henry Pym who is responsible for creating Ultron - and even though there will be a Hank Pym in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (played by Michael Douglas) I'd be willing to bet he won't be the one responsible for Ultron.
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and even though there will be a Hank Pym in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (played by Michael Douglas) I'd be willing to bet he won't be the one responsible for Ultron
...though it would awesome if whoever ends up responsible for Ultron remarks they're working off of principles developed by Hank Pym or something like that as a way to promote the Ant Man movie.
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So, my guess: May is reporting to Hand, who knows a lot more about Coulson than she ought to.
Neither of them is the Clairvoyant.
But boy, didn't Garrett know how to get under Hand's skin. And what the hell is with those 3rd-degree burns? That's got to be a plot point somewhere down the road.
I finally feel like we have something meaty to work with. I like the paranoia and mistrust creeping over the team now.
But the fawning over Skye still got on my last nerve. "You earned it!"
I finally feel like we have something meaty to work with. I like the paranoia and mistrust creeping over the team now.
But the fawning over Skye still got on my last nerve. "You earned it!"
It twinged me a bit too, but on the other hand I can see where Ward/Bill Paxton's character I can't remember the name of is coming from.
She has proven herself useful, and DID take a bullet for the team...even though it was her own stupidity that put her in that position.
If it had gone to her head it would have pissed me off but she remained very business-like and not as annoyingly cocky as before, which was my main problem with her. She was over-confident because her stupid plans kept working out in the end and then getting patted on the head for it.
Her good luck finally ran out, and I'm getting the sense so far that she realizes she f+!+ed up and needs to think things through before rushing in now.
In other news, really liked seeing Dethlok at "full power", that was cool. And all the SHIELD agents had a moment to shine in this one, even Cannon Fodder McGee that Dethlok stomped on.
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...and boy did Deathlok stomp on that guy! ouch! I think they made the sound effect of his rib cage being crushed...
I think Garrett gets under Hand's skin because he's a field guy and seems to despise pencil-pushers, as evidenced by his jab at Agent Sitwell (to Skye "you got shot twice, in the gut, that's more than Sitwell ever did"). And we all know Hand is the ultimate pencil-pusher "I will monitor everything via satellite" kinda gal (which makes her super easy to manipulate remotely)
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Apparently, Garrett isn't up on Sitwell's field work.
Video is from Dailymotion, so I apologize about the subtitles.
So Ward has to go before the SHIELD review board for killing the (supposed) Clairvoyant. Coulson is angry with him.
Maybe SHIELD can bring in Coulson, Garrett, and Fitz along with him, to review their killing of the guys in the TAHITI facility.
Oh- wait. Capturing the Clairvoyant was a sanctioned capture mission, so killing the target is bad. The TAHITI raid was unsanctioned, so it's fair game. Plus it was all under the radar and in the interest of saving our Fair Maiden, so Coulson's cool with it.
At this point, I'm willing to believe the theories that Skye's magical power is to make people do stupid things all to keep her safe, something that I thought was far-fetched before.
Ward has to go before the review board because he was dumb enough to do it on camera, in front of witnesses who probably weren't gonna keep it quiet.
It was just Ward, Garret, and Coulson in TAHITI, nobody else on the plane knows exactly what went down and they're keeping it mum as far as I can see.
Coulson also wanted more information out of him. They still don't know Dethlok's location, or how much more of the Centipede program is out there, or how much, if any, information the Clairvoyant was feeding to other enemies. Coulson's not angry because Ward violated some moral code. He's angry because Ward lost it and blew a mission, big time.
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So Ward has to go before the SHIELD review board for killing the (supposed) Clairvoyant. Coulson is angry with him.
Maybe SHIELD can bring in Coulson, Garrett, and Fitz along with him, to review their killing of the guys in the TAHITI facility.
Oh- wait. Capturing the Clairvoyant was a sanctioned capture mission, so killing the target is bad. The TAHITI raid was unsanctioned, so it's fair game. Plus it was all under the radar and in the interest of saving our Fair Maiden, so Coulson's cool with it.
At this point, I'm willing to believe the theories that Skye's magical power is to make people do stupid things all to keep her safe, something that I thought was far-fetched before.
Coulson wasn't really mad at Ward for shooting the clairvoyant, he was angry when he believed Ward was WORKING for the clairvoyant and was shooting on orders. Before that he wasn't very emotional about the whole thing. Worried that Ward lost his cool and did something stupid with a lot of witnesses around, sure, but not really angry.
And as Rynjin said, many Agents of Shield don't shy away from playing dirty. It's when you shoot a potentially valuable prisoner (for example, one the if studied may improve SHIELD's understanding of Clairvoyance) that was already basically captured, against orders, in front of everyone that there starts to be a problem. That AND the guards from TAHITI were threats the agents had no easy way to eliminate (keep them alive and you've got witnesses to your HIGHLY illegal break in to the facility, which gets you in trouble), while again, the Clairvoyant appeared to be neutralized by the point Ward shot him.
So I don't see the parallel you see between the two cases. The circumstances are very different, and the behavior of everyone seems to be consistent. Do note that I still think killing the guards was an evil act, and "justified" only because the crew didn't have time to come up with a better plan. They were doing something wrong for selfish purposes - saving Skye and finding out more about Coulson's revival. However, this episode, when Ward shot the fake Clairvoyant, it was a very different kind of wrong.
No it was obvious from the start that Tahiti wasn't a SHIELD facility. Else why would Fury have to "move Heaven and Earth" to get Coulson admitted.
And yes it is the fact that Ward may have shot the fake clairvoyant on orders from the real clairvoyant that got him so mad.
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I am to the point where I no longer think TAHITI is a SHIELD operation in any way. It may be a Fury operation - or it might not, given what we learn in Winter Soldier - but I think either way it was not a SHIELD organization, just something that Fury used to bring Coulson back.
THAITI may be a SWORD facility (if not, it's tied to Kree/Captain Marvel in upcoming Avengers 2)
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Good question, but are Wanda and Pietro dual use or single use Avengers only?Anyone want to see a black ops site called "Agency for Xenomophic Experimentation?"
"You government types and your acronyms." - Hank McCoy.
(Heh, come to think of it is Hank McCoy dual use like Wanda and Pietro?)
More like different takes on the same characters. Anything more than that would require spoilers.
In other words, go see Winter Soldier.
Agree 100% I can't wait to see the next few episodes. I also have some questions about the 2nd season in a big way. I hope it gets renewed to be able to answer them.
It was renewed several months back, now. I think after the 3rd or 4th episode.
Agree 100% I can't wait to see the next few episodes. I also have some questions about the 2nd season in a big way. I hope it gets renewed to be able to answer them.It was renewed several months back, now. I think after the 3rd or 4th episode.
It helps that Disney owns both ABC and Marvel.
It was renewed several months back, now. I think after the 3rd or 4th episode.
I think you may be confusing getting a full season purchase (so that it'd be on, well, now) with a second season renewal (so that it'll be back in the fall.) We may not find out whether Agents will be renewed until May.
I'm actually speculating that it won't be renewed, and was never intended to be.
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I thought I saw an article with one of the producers or stars of the show in the past week or so with their case for why Agents of Shield should be renewed for a 2nd season. I'm guessing that argument is stronger after Winter Soldier.
I'm also guessing that they will renew based on wanting to use the show as a vehicle to show what happens to SHIELD after the movie and before Avengers 2.
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It was renewed several months back, now. I think after the 3rd or 4th episode.
I think you may be confusing getting a full season purchase (so that it'd be on, well, now) with a second season renewal (so that it'll be back in the fall.) We may not find out whether Agents will be renewed until May.
I'm actually speculating that it won't be renewed, and was never intended to be.
I counterspeculate that it will be renewed. Positive comments on the show could maybe help... who knows? :)
If it fails, we're getting Daredevil, Power Man, Iron Fist and one more show on Netflix anyways... :)
I think you may be confusing getting a full season purchase (so that it'd be on, well, now) with a second season renewal (so that it'll be back in the fall.) We may not find out whether Agents will be renewed until May.
Huh. You're right. For some reason I thought I'd seen news about it being picked up for a second season, but it was just for a full season. My bad. :(
I'm actually speculating that it won't be renewed, and was never intended to be.
I wouldn't be too disappointed if it isn't personally, but I am betting there is going to be something on the horizon- Agents renewal or something similar. It's too big a promotional tool for the movies for them not to have a Marvel property on the air.
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I wouldn't be too disappointed if it isn't personally, but I am betting there is going to be something on the horizon- Agents renewal or something similar. It's too big a promotional tool for the movies for them not to have a Marvel property on the air.
It's been noted that Marvel is taking the long view with it's cinematic universe. I'd imagine that because of this, AoS might get a bit more leeway than another TV show that performed exactly the same rating-wise.
So will tuesday nights episode take place after the movie or during the movie.
My guess is during the movie.
My mind has been blown. Tonight's show was the direct and immediate sequel of Captain America 2. Is it ok to spoil yet? what's the rule on TV show spoiler waiting time? :)
The West Coast hasn't seen it yet!