More seriously, they can be if you want. I have found that the paladin class needs the most amount of input from the dm in order for world flavor to be established/preserved.
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No.
Jedi's are all over the map individually on how the Jedi code is to be lived. Some pursue Justice, some Balance, but hardly ever Good for it's own sake. They act as mediators, expecting give and take from both parties, and not erring on the side of Good, but of Peace. They look at the big picture when making their decisions, not the here and now.
They choose to not let themselves be ruled by passion or emotion.
I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule, I haven't read every SW book out there.
I've seen some folks try to play paladins like Jedi...and it usually doesn't end well.
The Jedi order as a whole strikes me as more NG than LG. I know they're orderly, but I think that's more for functionality than anything else.
Jedi have zero moral compunctions from the code. Jedi are actually encouraged to refrain from placing their own morals above those of other societies as *that* would be against the code as it can easily lead to the dark side.
LN, most likely. They want to preserve order and peace above all else. Of course, they let anyone who isn't blatantly NE, CE, or CN join (and LE is probably more or less out, but if they're very lawful and just a bit evil it might fly).
Yeah, I'd easily call Jedi LN more than LG or even NG.
But then again, paladins can be played a lot of different ways too.
In one game the paladin is basically John Wesley, "Do all the good that you can, to all the people you can, in all the ways that you can, in all the places you can, for as long as ever you can."
In another the paladin is an ultra-extremist a#%#++#, "Better a thousand innocents suffer than one guilty man go free."
Jedi have a similar disparity, everywhere from "In all things, balance you must seek" to "GALACTIC BASIC, M%*@+!*+%$&&, DO YOU SPEAK IT!?!"
The real question is, what kind of paladin do you want to play? Or what kind of Jedi do you want to play?
Sure, "similar" is a broad enough term for you to say Paladins and Jedi are "similar."
But "similar" is not "same."
Points of similarity:
Both exist in orders.
Both have "magic" powers.
Both have a code of conduct.
Both have a marital aspect, and a spiritual aspect.
Both have a polar opposite which is their inverse(Sith, Blackguard/Anti-paladin)
However, as noted above, there are also many points of dissimilarity.
I would largely say no.
First, I would say Jedi are closer to Magi, since they blend offensive magical powers with melee combat. Paladins are more like Fighters with some cool buff spells, a 1v1 ability, and a heal.
Secondly, when a Jedi falls, there is an immediate power boost to the fallen Jedi, unless they were already a master or something. In terms of pure thematics, that makes them the opposite of a Paladin. Yes, one could argue that Fallen Paladins can become anti-paladins; but in a lot of ways it's different, namely not immediate and not a distinctive boost in power. More over, Jedi can flirt with the darkside before actually falling, a Pali cannot.
And third, as pointed out, the Jedi code is mutable. It changes with Regime(Canon or not, Luke's order allowed Marriage for example) as where a paladin's does not.
All in all, I don't think that Paladins and Jedi are similar.
I would say close but not a perfect fit.
Like it has been said in the thread many time I like jedi are NG and paladins are LG.
Also there is more than one type of jedi, just like there is more than one type of religous class: cleric, paladin, ranger and inquistor.
That's the fourth page from Darths & Droids:
> Jedi is your character class. You're sort of warriors with arcane abilities-
> Like fighter/mages?
> -fighting for justice.
> Ah, paladins.
How dare you all remind me that there are no lightsabers in Pathfinder.
One's influenced by a fantasy version of (Gygaxian) Western religious values
One's influenced by a fantasy version of (Lucasian) Eastern religious values
They're as close as that let's them be
... they're both almost never implimented as well as other classes and are GM headaches because of 'codes'
As others have said, Jedi probably translate more to Magi (Kensai in partic.) than Paladins, if you're looking to make a PF one.
Jedi would be gestalted Soulknife/X, where X is Psychic Warriors for Guardians and X is Psion for Consulars. Dunno what a Sentinel would be really other than a guardian that dual-wields...
Jedi are more concerned about doing what's right (often on a galactic scale), than what's good (for an individual, single planet, etc.).
Sith do what's right for themselves, and only considers others if it furthers their own goals.
Not really, no ... Jedi can get away with 'I told you the truth from a certain point of view' or 'this may be evil, but it's the lesser of two evils' thing without getting penalized, where a Paladin would be hosed. Heck, Jedi can outright lie ('These aren't the droids your looking for').
Of course, the Jedi's power is just psychic abilities granted via symbiotic relationship with psionically-active micro-organisms, so that makes more sense.
Indeed. They don't lose their powers if they break the code, just like a sorceror doesn't lose access to spells for changing alignment.
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Jedi:
1) Steal children from their families.
2) Dominate people's minds casually and often.
3) Don't campaign tirelessly to end slavery.
Not paladins. Not even good.
Eeeeh, I would agree with the idea that Jedi are closer to Samurai. Now, if you want to play a character that has Jedi-like powers, I would seriously suggest you take a look at a Sylph Monk or Fighter and take advantage of their racial control over the wind. Particularly with their alternate racial traits.
I'll admit, I've played a Sylph Two-bladed Sword user (with the bonus +1d6 sonic enchantment) and gone "Vrooow! Vroom!" before. It was silly. He was actually a lot like a jedi, without even using a magic casting class.
Aye - I think the key here is that some Paladins could be quite similar to Jedi Knights in terms of demeanor and outlook.
But Paladins within Golarion have a wide variance of what could be considered 'normal' for them.
For example - a Paladin of Shelyn will be cut from a much different cloth than a Paladin of Ragathiel.
I would probably build Jedi Guardians as Gifted Blade Mindblades. Maybe Martial Kineticist Psychic Warriors.
Jedi Counselors would be Psion or Vitalist.
Sith would be Dreads or Wilders.
Aye - I think the key here is that some Paladins could be quite similar to Jedi Knights in terms of demeanor and outlook.
But Paladins within Golarion have a wide variance of what could be considered 'normal' for them.
For example - a Paladin of Shelyn will be cut from a much different cloth than a Paladin of Ragathiel.
That is quite true. While Jedi are generally discouraged from strong displays of emotion (the whole dark side and all), paladins are more than free to experience righteous wrath. Ragathiel's paladins might particularly look towards retributions that might ere on the side of "cruel and unusual punishment" if it was in the modern legal system.
With all the discussion of how to approximate lightsabers, I actually have a question: how different are they from an adamantine sword? I mean, both are more than capable of cutting through most nonmagical walls, sundering like it is nothing, etc.
While a lightsaber would normally be able to cut through enemies just as easily, I am sure many of have seen how that works out after balance for gameplay reasons through various videogames such as knights of the old republic. Unless you want some highly overpowered weapon that is practically like a vorpal blade (which means that it would take until you are able to have +6 priced weapons to obtain), then it is not really that different, no? Sorry if I am not seeing the romance in them, but it is still a valid point.
Only if the Paladin buys down their Intelligence and Wisdom.
Jedi are Lawful Stupid, especially Old Republic ones. So stupid that their reaction to "You've completely infiltrated the enemy base, so what do you do?" is "Ima gonna charge out onto the killing floor where they can shoot me!
Honestly, I'm not sure Paladins can buy down their Int and Wis enough to be Jedi.