Questions on newly approved arrows

[N N 959]

I see many of the arrows from Elves of Golarion were approved. A couple of questions arise:

1. Can one purchase Durable *Special Material* arrows? e.g. Durable Admant., Durable Cold Iron, Durable Mithral etc.

2. Does a Thistle Arrow do normal arrow damage + 1d6 rounds of 1 point bleed damage? At 1 gp an arrow, I assume so.

Thanks.

[SCPRedMage]

N N 959 wrote:

1. Can one purchase Durable *Special Material* arrows? e.g. Durable Admant., Durable Cold Iron, Durable Mithral etc.

I don't see why not; they don't say anything about being special in any way in regards to the arrowhead, so I'd think they'd be handled like any other ammunition.

N N 959 wrote:

2. Does a Thistle Arrow do normal arrow damage + 1d6 rounds of 1 point bleed damage? At 1 gp an arrow, I assume so.

Thistle arrows aren't from Elves of Golarion, so they took me a bit to track down.

Thistle arrows seem to only appear in the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting (with a note in the Adventurer's Armory about how to update it from 3.5 to Pathfinder), and is not called out as legal in PFS (they appear on page 211, and the only thing from that page that's allowed is armor), so I'm pretty sure they're not available.

But to answer your question, here's the text from that book:

Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting wrote:

Thistle Arrow: These arrows are a specialty of the Ekujae shamans, who craft the arrowheads out of the thistles of a toxic plant that most creatures find highly caustic. They deal normal damage but then become embedded in the wound and deal an additional 1 point of damage each round for 1d6 rounds from their irritating sap. Creatures immune to poison are immune to this extra damage. A creature can remove an embedded thistle arrow as a move action without provoking attacks of opportunity, but doing so deals an additional 1d3 points of damage as the thorny barbs are pulled free. A DC 12 Heal check (made as a standard action) can pull free a thistle arrow’s head without dealing any additional damage. A single thistle arrow costs 1 gp.

So yeah, that'd be one point of bleed damage.

[N N 959]

Thistle Arrows are found in the Adventurer's Armory, p.18 2nd Printing. My understanding is everything in then 2nd printing is legal. The note about conversion says this book (AA) updates things from the Campaign to the PFS RPG Rules. Putting 1+1 together, I read it to mean they are legal. Am I missing something?

Quote:

Thistle Arrow: Crafted from the thistles of a poisonous

plant, these barbed arrows deal damage as a bleed effect
for 1d6 rounds after a hit

So what's missing is the "They deal normal damage" part. But looks like they are meant to do normal damage. Thanks.

[SCPRedMage]

N N 959 wrote:

So what's missing is the "They deal normal damage" part.

And the price. And the actual bleed damage (there is no default for bleed effects). And the fact that poison immunity grants immunity to the bleed damage. And the part about removing it without a DC 12 Heal check causing 1d3 damage.

Literally the only thing in Adventurer's Armory about the Thistle Arrow is the update to define the damage as a bleed effect. This is not an item listing; it's an update.

[Lawrence Smith 2]

What are the (PFS) rules governing durable arrows regarding masterwork quality and special materials? Do recovered durable arrows retain their masterwork quality? Do durable arrows with arrowheads of special materials, e.g., cold iron, mithral, etc, retain their special qualities?

Thanks.

[Dragnmoon]

There are a couple if things the adventures armory that are just updates to what was in the Campaign Setting that you still need to refer to the Campaign Setting to actually use.

The question has been asked if those are legal since you have to refer to a book that is not legal, but I am unsure if that has been answered.

[SCPRedMage]

Lawrence Smith 2 wrote:

What are the (PFS) rules governing durable arrows regarding masterwork quality and special materials?

The rules for these arrows do not call out them being handled in such regards any differently than any other type of ammo, so all the basic rules apply.

Lawrence Smith 2 wrote:

Do recovered durable arrows retain their masterwork quality? Do durable arrows with arrowheads of special materials, e.g., cold iron, mithral, etc, retain their special qualities?

The act of firing the arrow does not change what the arrow is made out of, nor does it change the craftsmanship of the arrow, regardless of whether it's a durable arrow or a regular arrow; the only difference is whether the arrow is "destroyed" or not. If the arrow wasn't "destroyed", then it's exactly the same as it was before the arrow was fired.

Lawrence Smith 2 wrote:

Thanks.

You're welcome.

[Majuba]

SCPRedMage wrote:

Lawrence Smith 2 wrote:

Do recovered durable arrows retain their masterwork quality? Do durable arrows with arrowheads of special materials, e.g., cold iron, mithral, etc, retain their special qualities?

The act of firing the arrow does not change what the arrow is made out of, nor does it change the craftsmanship of the arrow, regardless of whether it's a durable arrow or a regular arrow; the only difference is whether the arrow is "destroyed" or not. If the arrow wasn't "destroyed", then it's exactly the same as it was before the arrow was fired.

I agree - and you could even collect them to have them re-enchanted if they were magic (perhaps with that 10 at a time boon).