Any way to remove the 10% arcane spell failure of the mithral shirt?


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Silver Crusade

Hi, all.

I have a level 3 sorcerer and i am thinking to buy a mithral shirt because i haven't mage armor spell but mithral shirt has 10% spell failure, has any way to remove this penalization?

Thanks for all!!

Any other useful object to a celestial elf sorcerer, i am thinking in a wand of gravity bow spell.

Grand Lodge

Light Armour Proficiency and Arcane Armour training but that's a heavy investment.

Mind you I HAVE done it with one Arcane caster and thought it was flavorsome (not exactly optimal though).

Have your considered just taking the hit? Its 1 in 10.

I've also played arcane casters with either silken armour for a non spell casting modified + 1 or the Lamellar cuirass from Ultimate combat (only a 5% spell failure for + 2 AC and lighter than leather or padded)

Grand Lodge

There is also the 2 PP for a wand of Mage Armor option.

50 castings, that last 1 hour each, which should cover a significant portion of any scenario's combats.

And, by the time you run it dry, you probably have the spare spell known that could be burned for it.

There is also, depending on race and build, a few more options, including the Human alternate favored class bonus of being able to learn an extra spell known of any level below your highest spell level, so at 4th you could use it to learn an extra 1st level spell.

And there is a feat called Expanded Arcana, which gives you an extra spell known of your highest level, or two extra spells known of any level below your highest level known.

Magic items include the Page of Spell Knowledge, or even Bracers of Armor +4...


Arcane Armor Training feat is your best bet to remove the 10% spell failure, but you're still left with proficiency penalties and such, but with the right trait, you could skate by without proficiency.

Scarab Sages

The OP is level 3, it's a little late to change traits. The Mithral Shirt and Mage Armor is likely not worth it IMO. +4 ac isn't enough to save you if you are in melee, and it's not needed if you are out of the front lines casting as long as you block line of sight to archers. If you were Human I would say use the bonus spell/level favored class bonus to learn mage armor, but you're an elf.

I say embrace the squishiness, AC isn't your primary form of defense no matter what you do.

Dark Archive

What I want to know is how to get rid of the last 5% spell fail on my mithral fullplate while using arcane armor mastery. Also, eating up a swift action a turn is a much higher cost than I origonally assume. Luckily, in a home game, my GM lets me burn my move action to take a second swift (quicken spell) action.


If you're allowed 3e materials, there was the Twilight ability (+1 bonus equivalent, -10% Arcane Spell Failure).


Victor Zajic wrote:
What I want to know is how to get rid of the last 5% spell fail on my mithral fullplate while using arcane armor mastery. Also, eating up a swift action a turn is a much higher cost than I origonally assume. Luckily, in a home game, my GM lets me burn my move action to take a second swift (quicken spell) action.

As far as RAW is concerned, there really isn't a way.

In terms of RAI, a 5% Arcane Spell Failure reduction trait would be pretty nifty.

@ Imbicatus: That's irrelevant; he may take the Additional Traits feat from APG, and select two traits from categories he currently doesn't have. He can take Armor Expert from the Combat Section to remove all ACP and another one that helps him in other areas of his choice. Best feat ever spent.

Grand Lodge

Victor Zajic wrote:
What I want to know is how to get rid of the last 5% spell fail on my mithral fullplate while using arcane armor mastery. Also, eating up a swift action a turn is a much higher cost than I origonally assume. Luckily, in a home game, my GM lets me burn my move action to take a second swift (quicken spell) action.

Hellknight Enforcer/Signifier has that 5% built in.

Grand Lodge

Zhayne wrote:
If you're allowed 3e materials, there was the Twilight ability (+1 bonus equivalent, -10% Arcane Spell Failure).

If you are allowed 3.5 material, there was teh Battle Caster feat that added the next step up armor type to the no arcane failure chance, as long as you had any such ability to begin with. Designed for War Mages, IIRC, but useful for other casters.


if allowed 3.5 stuff, there is the +1 equivalent twilight enchantment that reduced arcane failure by 10% to a minimum of 0%

but if not, just eat the 10% failure, your DM may eventually forget it if you fail to remind him long enough.


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Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote:

if allowed 3.5 stuff, there is the +1 equivalent twilight enchantment that reduced arcane failure by 10% to a minimum of 0%

but if not, just eat the 10% failure, your DM may eventually forget it if you fail to remind him long enough.

Cheating is not a valid way to bypass ASF.


Zhayne wrote:
Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote:

if allowed 3.5 stuff, there is the +1 equivalent twilight enchantment that reduced arcane failure by 10% to a minimum of 0%

but if not, just eat the 10% failure, your DM may eventually forget it if you fail to remind him long enough.

Cheating is not a valid way to bypass ASF.

if you had to roll the 10% arcane failure for every spell in a homegame

eventually your DM will grow tired and say that after Wearing Mithril Shirt for X number of consecutive encounters and casting spells, that you earned the ability to wear it without arcane failure.

i didn't so much intend to recommend cheating as much as RP achievement feats.

bonuses feats earned, not by spending feats, but by accomplishing IC achievements

Reducing ASF by 10% for 1 type of armor is a valid example of an Achievement feat your DM could hand out.


as someone with an armor-wearing arcane caster in my group, it's trivial & minimally invasive to roll d%. I'm not going to get tired and I'd rather RP freebies be roleplaying related.

Grand Lodge

Just and FYI, this thread started off in the PFS general...so all those advice of GM fiat won't be of any use for the OP. For others in the thread yes...not for the OP however.


Quit complaining about a 10% fizzle? Wear silken ceremonial armor or a haramaki instead?


AndIMustMask wrote:
Quit complaining about a 10% fizzle? Wear silken ceremonial armor or a haramaki instead?

10% fizzle is hardly an issue. it is so minimal a chance of failure i doubt it will happen often except on the worst of days.


Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote:
AndIMustMask wrote:
Quit complaining about a 10% fizzle? Wear silken ceremonial armor or a haramaki instead?
10% fizzle is hardly an issue. it is so minimal a chance of failure i doubt it will happen often except on the worst of days.

thats what i was saying.

Though if ACis his worry for some reason (like he has forgotten the mage armor and shield spells/wands), he could just slap on a mithral buckler with the armors i mentioned--or an armored kilt--and nix the failure chance entirely.

Shadow Lodge

Stand behind something for instant soft-cover. Mage Armor + meatwall = *relative* AC+8.

(And always be hip to party initiative order and placement, as your meatwall might move on his turn if a PC, possibly open you up to enemy attack.)

Sczarni

Leaf weave material + studded leather = +3 armor bonus with 5% spell failure. It is not as good as mithral chain, but it is cheaper, and is 5% less...so you roll a second d20 for all spell casting...a 1 is a fail..simple.
With 1k investment you get +4 ac on the armor for a total cost of under 2k...much cheaper than the 16k for bracers. I currently have this on 2 different spellcasting characters.

Scarab Sages

While not exactly a PC, Gwysir Mar demonstrates one direction a wizard could go.

A PC wizard of this level would have much better gear, with the possibility of a much higher AC. (Plus Displacement, Mirror Image and Stoneskin.)


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Hmm, have you considered going Bard for a level dip? I'm thinking Arcane Duelist, but that's just what I'd do. Regular bard dip gives you the ability to cast spells with shields as well. Which is nice.

Scarab Sages

Major_Blackhart wrote:
Hmm, have you considered going Bard for a level dip? I'm thinking Arcane Duelist, but that's just what I'd do. Regular bard dip gives you the ability to cast spells with shields as well. Which is nice.

The ability does not extend to spells cast using other classes.


Zhayne wrote:
Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote:

if allowed 3.5 stuff, there is the +1 equivalent twilight enchantment that reduced arcane failure by 10% to a minimum of 0%

but if not, just eat the 10% failure, your DM may eventually forget it if you fail to remind him long enough.

Cheating is not a valid way to bypass ASF.

Cheating is a valid way to pass almost anything.

Sovereign Court

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