The recent FAQ update for Ultimate Magic concerning the Qinggong Monk archetype:
Monk: Can a qinggong monk take a second archetype if the character doesn't swap out abilities the second archetype requires?
Yes. However, the other archetype takes priority over the various abilities granted at each level, and the character can't delay taking an ability that the other archetype replaces—he must allow the second archetype to replace the standard ability at the standard class level.
For example, the monk of the healing hand archetype (APG) replaces
wholeness of body (7th level)
diamond body (11th level)
quivering palm (15th level)
perfect self (20th level).
A qinggong monk who also wants to take the monk of the healing hand archetype has to let the healing hand archetype replace all four of those abilities at those specific class levels. The qinggong monk is still free to replace any standard monk abilities at the other class levels listed in the qinggong monk archetype (slow fall at 4th, high jump at 5th, and so on), so long as selecting those abilities doesn't interfere with acquiring the healing hand abilities at the correct levels.
Note that if the second archetype replaces a standard monk ability, the character cannot select that replaced ability at a later monk level. For example, the qinggong/healing hand monk can never select wholeness of body, even at a level higher than 7th. In effect, the character has selected wholeness of body at 7th and immediately replaced it with a healing hand ability; as the qinggong archetype only lets you select an ability later if the character "selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability" (which didn't occur), that option is not available for the character.
—Pathfinder Design Team, 05/23/13
Question: Would this qualify for a PFS character rebuild under Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play v 4.3 Page 28 "If a class, prestige class, or a class feature-dependent ability score is altered: You may rebuild your character to its current XP, maintaining the same equipment." if a person has a monk with feats and class features that are now not permitted?
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I'm curious how 5/23/13 is recent when its 7/21/13 now, but if the character has features that are not permitted, they need to be fixed because its an illegal character.
If the character hasn't already been changed, they might no longer be able to be changed due to the date of the FAQ, forcing the character to retire.
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The recent FAQ update for Ultimate Magic concerning the Qinggong Monk archetype:
Monk: Can a qinggong monk take a second archetype if the character doesn't swap out abilities the second archetype requires?
Yes. However, the other archetype takes priority over the various abilities granted at each level, and the character can't delay taking an ability that the other archetype replaces—he must allow the second archetype to replace the standard ability at the standard class level.
For example, the monk of the healing hand archetype (APG) replaces
wholeness of body (7th level)
diamond body (11th level)
quivering palm (15th level)
perfect self (20th level).
A qinggong monk who also wants to take the monk of the healing hand archetype has to let the healing hand archetype replace all four of those abilities at those specific class levels. The qinggong monk is still free to replace any standard monk abilities at the other class levels listed in the qinggong monk archetype (slow fall at 4th, high jump at 5th, and so on), so long as selecting those abilities doesn't interfere with acquiring the healing hand abilities at the correct levels.
Note that if the second archetype replaces a standard monk ability, the character cannot select that replaced ability at a later monk level. For example, the qinggong/healing hand monk can never select wholeness of body, even at a level higher than 7th. In effect, the character has selected wholeness of body at 7th and immediately replaced it with a healing hand ability; as the qinggong archetype only lets you select an ability later if the character "selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability" (which didn't occur), that option is not available for the character.—Pathfinder Design Team, 05/23/13
Question: Would this qualify for a PFS character rebuild under Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play v 4.3 Page 28 "If a class, prestige class, or a class feature-dependent ability score is altered: You may rebuild your character to...
If you have things that are illegal, fix them. Otherwise leave it as is.
Thank you. To further explain my question. I know I have to fix the issue. But do the changes made to the function of the archetypes and class entitle a rebuild? Nothing in the guide says I have to change x or y it just says rebuild. Does that mean total character rebuild? Can we make this PC a Halfling Wizard? (with the same gear)
No it does not entitle you to a total rebuild. You can only change that which is illegal in order to make it legal. Nothing more.
According to what? The guide to play doesn't express this limitation.
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As Jeremy said, if your chatacter is Lvl 1 then rebuild to your heart's content. The intent of the developers has always been, echoing Jeremy again, to rebuild just enough to fix that which made the character illegal. The wording in the PFS guide is not clear in this regard, but it's been stated before when the word, "Rebuild" was mentioned. This is not the fault of any one person. It's just one of those things that is.
I say that the wording in the next version be clarified to reflect this intent if such remains the case, so as to avoid any future confusion on the matter.
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There are two different situations here:
1) Something is altered by errata, or removed from the PFS-legal resources.
2) Something is clarified in the FAQ, rendering some builds illegal due to confusion before the clarification.
In (1), rebuild as stated in the Guide and the post that kinevon pointed to.
In (2), do the minimum to fix the character.
What does the character have that's actually illegal at the moment?
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I think he's asking if he can add an archtype that previously was not legal, but has now been clarified to be legal.
If so, you can add that archtype as long as you aren't of a level where you have passed the first thing altered by the archtype.
For instance, if the archtype you want to add changes its first feature at 4th level and you are 3rd level, you can do so. But if the first change is at 3rd and you are 4th level, you can not.
Level 13 Qinggong Monk of the Four Winds. Took abundant step and dimensional agility at level 13. Was planning (if and maybe never) to get the whole dimensional awesome feat tree.
I'd rather drop the Archetype. Teleporting is fun.
Maybe next month? ;)