Bat Familiar with a 20 to Perception?

[Dungarees Master]

Hi there,

I am just trying to figure out how this works out.

I have a character who has a bat as a familiar and it has a perception of 20 at level 6.

I am trying to figure out how it gets that high?

Can someone help me with the math here?

Here is the link to a bat animal stat block

[Name Violation]

familiar uses master ranks.

6 ranks
2 wis mod
4 racial
3 class skill
2 alertness

+17

maybe skill focus for +3?

[wraithstrike]

6 ranks
2 wis mod
3 class skill
2 alertness

=13

If you are using herolab it may be incorrect.

Does it have any magical items?

[Dungarees Master]

No magical items or skill focus

[Dungarees Master]

I think 17 might be its max

[Dungarees Master]

I think the error made is that he is using the stat block and reading the +6 as something to add to his familiar rather than a total of racial bonus and stat bonus

[wraithstrike]

The racial bonus is only on when blindsense is being used so he should not count that if it is not always in play anyway. That is why I did not count it.

[VRMH]

Maybe the master has the Evolved Familiar feat, for another +8.

[Dungarees Master]

Yup thats it...damn I dont think anything is going to be able to make a stealth check on this guy....

[Drachasor]

wraithstrike wrote:

The racial bonus is only on when blindsense is being used so he should not count that if it is not always in play anyway. That is why I did not count it.

I don't see that stated anywhere on the monster block.

To the OP: It does seem like it should be +17 unless the player has an unusual way to get another +3.

If there's another +8 from evolved familiar, then that should be +25

[Protoman]

Hmm might have the Infiltrator archetype. Familiar gets the Alertness feat rather than the master. Would bring it up to a +19.