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I am against banning this.
The market should decide.
If you do not like this, then do not contribute to it. If not enough people feel the same way, it will die.
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I am against banning this.
The market should decide.
If you do not like this, then do not contribute to it. If not enough people feel the same way, it will die.
The market is deciding it. Kickstarter is a business, and is part of the market, and is deciding. As a business, it is their decision that matters as far as what they feel they ought to support with their infrastructure.
The market is deciding it. Kickstarter is a business, and is part of the market, and is deciding. As a business, it is their decision that matters as far as what they feel they ought to support with their infrastructure.I am against banning this.
The market should decide.
If you do not like this, then do not contribute to it. If not enough people feel the same way, it will die.
Dammit Scott. I didn't want to agree with you about something.
If kickstarter is used by millions and 50 angry people get up in arms about something and make a fuss, their loudness makes it seem as if "the people have spoken" even when the vast majority probably don't give two s~##s. Its just smart business though to not risk this spiraling into a PR nightmare, by nipping it in the bud before it snowballs into "Kickstarter condones violence against women"
Anyone else thinks it's insane that things like this can escalates into "X entity condones violence against women"? When nothing of the sort is happening.
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Dammit Scott. I didn't want to agree with you about something.The market is deciding it. Kickstarter is a business, and is part of the market, and is deciding. As a business, it is their decision that matters as far as what they feel they ought to support with their infrastructure.I am against banning this.
The market should decide.
If you do not like this, then do not contribute to it. If not enough people feel the same way, it will die.
I'm pretty sure that makes you less legit.
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If kickstarter is used by millions and 50 angry people get up in arms about something and make a fuss, their loudness makes it seem as if "the people have spoken" even when the vast majority probably don't give two s~##s. Its just smart business though to not risk this spiraling into a PR nightmare, by nipping it in the bud before it snowballs into "Kickstarter condones violence against women"Anyone else thinks it's insane that things like this can escalates into "X entity condones violence against women"? When nothing of the sort is happening.
It doesn't "escalate" to that. It is painted as that by people with a particular agenda. That's nothing new. Some people will be manipulated by that. Others will not. Those who are not manipulated will react negatively to those who tried to manipulate them, rather than to Kickstarter.
If kickstarter is used by millions and 50 angry people get up in arms about something and make a fuss, their loudness makes it seem as if "the people have spoken" even when the vast majority probably don't give two s~##s. Its just smart business though to not risk this spiraling into a PR nightmare, by nipping it in the bud before it snowballs into "Kickstarter condones violence against women"Anyone else thinks it's insane that things like this can escalates into "X entity condones violence against women"? When nothing of the sort is happening.It's not happening because they already have a policy that should have stopped this one and they're changing procedures to make sure nothing like it slips through again.
That seems a decent outcome to me.
I'm talking about if kickstarter did nothing and left the success of this product up to the people, they would be seen as "condoning violence against women". I think kickstarter made the right call and feel that this product is liken to a snuff movie. But that doesn't mean I agree with everyone who cries "rape culture" whenever something like this happens.
It doesn't "escalate" to that. It is painted as that by people with a particular agenda. That's nothing new. Some people will be manipulated by that. Others will not. Those who are not manipulated will react negatively to those who tried to manipulate them, rather than to Kickstarter.If kickstarter is used by millions and 50 angry people get up in arms about something and make a fuss, their loudness makes it seem as if "the people have spoken" even when the vast majority probably don't give two s~##s. Its just smart business though to not risk this spiraling into a PR nightmare, by nipping it in the bud before it snowballs into "Kickstarter condones violence against women"Anyone else thinks it's insane that things like this can escalates into "X entity condones violence against women"? When nothing of the sort is happening.
You're making entirely too much sense today.
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I'm talking about if kickstarter did nothing and left the success of this product up to the people, they would be seen as "condoning violence against women". I think kickstarter made the right call and feel that this product is liken to a snuff movie. But that doesn't mean I agree with everyone who cries "rape culture" whenever something like this happens.
Akin to a snuff film? It is literally illegal to create a snuff film. There is nothing illegal about writing this book. Not to defend it or anything, but let's not trivialize things by making wild comparisons.
I'm not sure I follow.
Are you saying: People with an agenda painted this project as showing "Kickstarter condones violence against women" and that those who objected to the project were "manipulated" into doing so?
Should Kickstarter have defended the project and not done anything to avoid similar projects getting through the screening in the future?
I'm speaking in the realist sense. The literal goal of projects like the petition site is to manipulate people (even if the manipulation is clear) into doing something they would not otherwise have done (both those signing the petition, and Kickstarter by extension). The flip-side is that people react tend to negatively to failed manipulation.
Kickstarter should not have defended the project, but some people object to the attempt to manipulate them in a less-than-honest fashion (not banning the project = Kickstarter condoning violence against women, which is obviously disingenuous manipulation).
Apparently we agree on things when the discussion isn't about 4e.
I wouldn't be so quick to leap to conclusions.
I'm sure he'll post on the XBone thread before too long, and the status quo shall be restored.stuffYou're making entirely too much sense today.
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That reminds me of what most internet discussions boil down to.
