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I don't know where to drop this, so this is as good of a place as any. I was watching Brooklyn 99 on Fox the other day, and it just kinda hit me what a great show it is for gender, ethnic, and sexuality neutral presentation, while still being funny.
There are 9 recurrent characters, of which really 7 are "main" characters.
Of the 9, 6 are men and 3 are women. Of the main characters 4 are men, with the remaining 3 the women.
There are four white men, and one white woman. The rest of the cast is hispanic and black.
The show follows a small Brooklyn precinct. The captain is a gay black male, married to a white college professor. The sergeant is a straight black male married to a black female. None of the rest of the characters are married.
The captain's marriage is played completely normal, and is by its self not a joke. In fact it is only mentioned about once a show (about as often as the sergeant's) and then in normal passing where he refers to his husband Kevin. The only time that they have shown Kevin was in the only episodes they showed the sergeant's wife. (At a birthday party by Kevin for the Captain). Neither of them were a stereotype.
Gender, race, and sexuality are not the topics of the humor. That is reserved for other personality quirks (kissing up to superiors, immaturity, funny criminal behavior etc.)

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I don't know where to drop this, so this is as good of a place as any. I was watching Brooklyn 99 on Fox the other day, and it just kinda hit me what a great show it is for gender, ethnic, and sexuality neutral presentation, while still being funny.
There are 9 recurrent characters, of which really 7 are "main" characters.
Of the 9, 6 are men and 3 are women. Of the main characters 4 are men, with the remaining 3 the women.
There are four white men, and one white woman. The rest of the cast is hispanic and black.
The show follows a small Brooklyn precinct. The captain is a gay black male, married to a white college professor. The sergeant is a straight black male married to a black female. None of the rest of the characters are married.
The captain's marriage is played completely normal, and is by its self not a joke. In fact it is only mentioned about once a show (about as often as the sergeant's) and then in normal passing where he refers to his husband Kevin. The only time that they have shown Kevin was in the only episodes they showed the sergeant's wife. (At a birthday party by Kevin for the Captain). Neither of them were a stereotype.
Gender, race, and sexuality are not the topics of the humor. That is reserved for other personality quirks (kissing up to superiors, immaturity, funny criminal behavior etc.)
I do not like that show but i agree that it might be the single best "diverse" cast that doesn't make it all a joke. Despite not liking the show the captain is my favorite gay character of all time. it is just a part of him it doesn't define him.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:What exactly is cultural sexual dimorphism?My impression of the idea that there are assigned, distinct, mutually exclusive "female" & "male" cultural roles.
Borrowing from the biological to describe text sociological.
Cultural Sexual Dimorphism is the model that males and females have set specific roles that are not crossed. This can extend to family, occupation, as well as sexual lines.

meatrace |

More objectification
I was with her, nodding my head, until she concluded that anarchy is the way to be.
Bimbo.

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More objectification
It's a sad day when what Obama is seen as the left wing, but if that lady is upset about Obama becoming an extension of the Bush government then she'd have really flipped her lid if the actual republican party somehow gained power. At least you guys are getting a very basic improvement in your health care system.

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:)psionichamster wrote:Cultural Sexual Dimorphism is the model that males and females have set specific roles that are not crossed. This can extend to family, occupation, as well as sexual lines.BigNorseWolf wrote:What exactly is cultural sexual dimorphism?My impression of the idea that there are assigned, distinct, mutually exclusive "female" & "male" cultural roles.
Borrowing from the biological to describe text sociological.
Binary anything is a bad idea.

meatrace |

LazarX wrote::)Binary anything is a bad idea.psionichamster wrote:Cultural Sexual Dimorphism is the model that males and females have set specific roles that are not crossed. This can extend to family, occupation, as well as sexual lines.BigNorseWolf wrote:What exactly is cultural sexual dimorphism?My impression of the idea that there are assigned, distinct, mutually exclusive "female" & "male" cultural roles.
Borrowing from the biological to describe text sociological.
Without binary code my computer wouldn't work.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:Without binary code my computer wouldn't work.LazarX wrote::)Binary anything is a bad idea.psionichamster wrote:Cultural Sexual Dimorphism is the model that males and females have set specific roles that are not crossed. This can extend to family, occupation, as well as sexual lines.BigNorseWolf wrote:What exactly is cultural sexual dimorphism?My impression of the idea that there are assigned, distinct, mutually exclusive "female" & "male" cultural roles.
Borrowing from the biological to describe text sociological.
Ooooh, a computer that still uses binary. How quaint. ;)

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BigNorseWolf wrote:Without binary code my computer wouldn't work.LazarX wrote::)Binary anything is a bad idea.psionichamster wrote:Cultural Sexual Dimorphism is the model that males and females have set specific roles that are not crossed. This can extend to family, occupation, as well as sexual lines.BigNorseWolf wrote:What exactly is cultural sexual dimorphism?My impression of the idea that there are assigned, distinct, mutually exclusive "female" & "male" cultural roles.
Borrowing from the biological to describe text sociological.
My computer works on yes, no, and maybe.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Raise the Minimum Wage, NH Style!
25 well-dressed Democrats and labor bureaucrats, 6 libertarian trolls with signs reading "The Minimum Wage Is Too Damn High!" and "US Out of NH!" (which I kinda liked), one person of color (featured speaker) and other than her (and me) not a low-wage worker in sight. Which I guess isn't surprising seeing as how it was 9:30 on a Tuesday morning.
Ah, New Hampshire.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Do Communists Have Better Sex?
(NSFW; might cause objectification)
We already have the Stasi--might as well get the jobs, health care, and higher rate of female orgasm! For workers revolution!

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Hitdice wrote:I'd check on when The Story of O got popular with the intellectual set, Doodles. (So, like a week after publication in 1954? /Rimshot)
On the one hand, any sort of critical theory is nonsense if you go too far down the rabbit hole. On the other hand, when Wolf says that physical attractiveness in and of itself is a problem, it does strike my as ludicrous, but I do have this sneaking suspicion that our enlightened descendants are going to look at surgical breast enhancement with the sort of disgust we have for foot-binding.
That's pretty much what it seems like to me. There's some basic truth in it, but it's really easy to dive down that rabbit hole.
"We have a problem with treating women as only sexual objects" Good insight, worth working on.
"Therefore the concept of physical attractiveness is problematic" Rabbit hole territory.
that isnt what is said though. Im on the phone atm but ill write a proper reply tonoght, but really thats not how the train of thought goes.

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I see that Anita has been awarded the Ambassador Award from the 2014 Game Developers Choice Awards. I thought it was interesting to hear that "the Last of Us" writer was inspired by her work. Certainly the characters in that story were well written and very well received. It sort of echoes what I was saying about the usefulness of criticism in the locked thread.

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The making of a Marx: The life of Eleanor Marx, the mother of socialist-feminism
Oddly enough, the article skips the part at the end where she commits suicide because her partner ditched her for a younger woman. Woops, spoilers.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

I'm not much interersted in Shalit
I lied.
The Return of the Virgin by Elizabeth Nickson
The Solipsisters by Katha Pollitt
Unfortunately, I can't find the article in which Larry Flynt called her the "a~&&%@$ of the month."
And before anyone asks, yes, it appears that Ms. Shalit is hawt.
Speaking of which,

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Oh, a necromantized gender politics thread? What could it be about? Hobby Lobby? The Massachusetts buffer zone law?
Nope, another article on dalits that caught my eye.
Huh. Asserts that he was the patron saint if the status quo but doesn't say anything about how that is meant or why the author is upset with him. That's kind of a crappy article.

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Huh. Asserts that he was the patron saint if the status quo but doesn't say anything about how that is meant or why the author is upset with him. That's kind of a crappy article.
Really? I thought it was clear as day: his acceptance of the caste system. Even says so in the subheading.
Also, that's Roy, again, in an essay calling Gandhi the patron saint, etc., not the article writer.
That being said, the headline does indicate that it's going to be more about what Roy said. Even The Hindu piece they link to only has a few paragraphs.

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Usagi Yojimbo wrote:Huh. Asserts that he was the patron saint if the status quo but doesn't say anything about how that is meant or why the author is upset with him. That's kind of a crappy article.Really? I thought it was clear as day: his acceptance of the caste system. Even says so in the subheading.
Also, that's Roy, again, in an essay calling Gandhi the patron saint, etc., not the article writer.
That being said, the headline does indicate that it's going to be more about what Roy said. Even The Hindu piece they link to only has a few paragraphs.
It's got the accusation, but no supporting information or links thereunto (is that a word?). Would have liked to know what he said or did along those lines.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Spurred by your questions, Usagi-san, I cursorily googled some more. I didn't find any complete transcriptions of what she said but I did find this, which, I admit, doesn't make it look good for Ms. Roy.
Why does Arundhati Roy think Gandhi was casteist?
Synergistic weirdiosily enough, we have a third generation Chinese-American comrade with pronounced Maoist tendencies coming up to give a talk on the Naxalites next weekend.
Anyway, I am now going to link every other article that I find interesting in my search engine results. You're welcome.
Congress Leader Ghulam Nabi Azad Seeks Action Against Arundhati Roy for Anti-Gandhi Comment

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

NYT: Arundhati Roy, the Not-So-Reluctant Renegade
I am only half way through, but I think I am in love.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:NYT: Arundhati Roy, the Not-So-Reluctant RenegadeI am only half way through, but I think I am in love.
I'll read the Blatant Commie Propaganda shortly, but in the meantime, have you read Joe Sacco's story about the Dalits of Kushinagar? Caste and poverty. They appear to have left feudalism behind maybe ten minutes ago. The theoretical free market there doesn't seem to be working for them, I'd be interested in what Trots would say.
"The extraordinarily successful French magazine XXI is the publishing industry’s greatest champion of comics reportage. It has regularly sent cartoonists out into the world and given them a good deal of magazine space. Editor Patrick de Saint-Exupery, a seasoned journalist himself, was open to any idea I had and supportive at every step of the way. The author Pankaj Mishra passed me along to Indian journalist Piyush Srivastava, who suggested I visit Kushinagar and who graciously agreed to be my guide. We met in Lucknow, where he is based, and drove for a day to reach the district, where many of the dalits—“untouchables”—are experiencing not just abject poverty but real hunger. After three visits to the same hamlet, Piyush and I were essentially chased out of the area by higher caste individuals who did not like us snooping around. We decided to visit other villages, but briefly, for no more than a couple hours each, to avoid the same result..."

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:NYT: Arundhati Roy, the Not-So-Reluctant RenegadeI am only half way through, but I think I am in love.
She's a badass! Loved the quote from the Life Of Brian used to diffuse factionalism.

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Some weird site that wouldn't load while I was waiting, but the article has a pretty interesting title: Why Dalit Radicals Don't Want Arundhati Roy to Write About Ambedkar
Haven't read all the others, by that's worth a glance, if only to prove that people everywhere are willing to condemn books they haven't even read. Has a link to Ambedkar's original essay that started(?) the argument with Gandhi.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:She's a badass! Loved the quote from the Life Of Brian used to diffuse factionalism.Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:NYT: Arundhati Roy, the Not-So-Reluctant RenegadeI am only half way through, but I think I am in love.
Damn editing window! Defuse factionalism, not diffuse. Doh.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

I'll read the Blatant Commie Propaganda shortly, but in the meantime, have you read Joe Sacco's story about the Dalits of Kushinagar? Caste and poverty. They appear to have left feudalism behind maybe ten minutes ago. The theoretical free market there doesn't seem to be working for them, I'd be interested in what Trots would say.
What? You actually want to hear what the Trots have to say?
Are you trying to seduce me, Usagi-san?

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Shifty wrote:Anita just got kicked aside, my new pin-up is hereWhile looking up something entirely different (Trotsky's archive of book reviews, if you must know) I stumbled upon this extremely interesting website: Anti-Caste: On Caste, Women's Oppression, Communalism, and Class Struggle in South Asia from a Marxist Perspective
I think this (post 2489, page 42) is the start of my attempt at Dalit Liberation threadjacking. There might be a few entries from before.
I've never heard of that Sacco book, Usagi-san, I'll certainly keep an eye out for it.
So, a bit of a confession. I was working at the airport, taking some courses at UMass Boston, six or seven years into my apolitical commie activist hibnernation, and I was assigned Interpreter of Maladies by Jhumpa Lahiri. It actually got removed from the syllabus, but since I had already bought it, I read it anyway.
It's just short stories, I liked them, but things would pop out like caste and arranged marriages, and I'd go hmmmm, oh well, cultural relativism, right? And then I got back into leftist politics and that spate of headline-grabbing Indian gang-rapes came along, I started reading some, and I was disgusted with myself for ever having entertained such bullshiznit liberal PC notions.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Usagi Yojimbo wrote:I'd be interested in what Trots would say.Either:
"International Socialist Proletariat Revolution(TM)"
or
"Sorry man, I'm gonna be in here all night, try the other stall."
One or the other.
Hey, Alex, do I butt in when you're trying to pick up some hawt Paizonian tail?
F%*@in' cockblocker.

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I think this is the start of my attempt at Dalit Liberation threadjacking. There might be a few entries from before.
I've never heard of that Sacco book, Usagi-san, I'll certainly keep an eye out for it.
I'm not sure I can read more along those lines. The Sacco story was enough to make me want to punch someone.
Found it - I hadn't realized, but he's the same guy who did Safe Area Gorazde and Palestine.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Yeah, I've read those two, also the one he did with Chris Hedges that got the latter accused of plagiarism.
The Lahiri stories are nowhere near like what we're talking about. Mostly gentle, domestic stories about dreams and love and family and so on.
They made a movie of one of her books that I saw but didn't read. It's got pretty much the same feel.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

I really need to stop watching things on Vice News.
Bride Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan
Although, "Indonesia's Transsexual Muslims" does look intriguing...

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

Sticking with the South Asian thingy...
Buddhist Fascists Attack Comrade Anklebiter's Sri Lankan Comrades

Don Juan de Doodlebug |

You know, I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't know why I can never accentuate the positive, why I am always drawn to the worst, ugliest aspects of you disgusting pinkskins.
But in my spare time from acting as a propagandist for Hamas, Putin, and international proletarian socialist revolution, I've been doing some disturbing reading on wikipedia.
Apparently, there is a theory, true or not I couldn't say, that the ritual of the honeymoon comes bride kidnapping.
You pinkskins really are disgusting.

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It's certainly worse then arranged marriages in theory, I'm sure there are exceptions where everyone lives happily ever after, but yes, hard to imagine a healthy relationship growing from one started with such an imbalance of power. Course in the part of the world where this is the acceptable I'm sure it's mostly just done out of tradition rather then genuine abduction and rape. Hard to imagine everyone devaluing women enough were fathers wouldn't seek revenge against the tribe of the abductor.

Caineach |

You know, I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't know why I can never accentuate the positive, why I am always drawn to the worst, ugliest aspects of you disgusting pinkskins.
But in my spare time from acting as a propagandist for Hamas, Putin, and international proletarian socialist revolution, I've been doing some disturbing reading on wikipedia.
Apparently, there is a theory, true or not I couldn't say, that the ritual of the honeymoon comes bride kidnapping.
You pinkskins really are disgusting.
What I have heard is that the honeymoon is from the new couple being given a barrel of mead and sent away so that any child born was guaranteed to be the husband's.

Don Juan de Doodlebug |