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After reviewing the "Homosexuality in Golarion" thread it has come to my attention that Paizo is actively promoting the idea that disliking homosexual behavior is evil (both in the real world sense and the Pathfinder mechanical sense) in their products. I can no longer in good conscience support a company that holds such an unethical and bigoted belief, all in the name of "tolerance" (oh, the irony)
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I don't really think that trying to be inclusive and accepting of difference is "political correctness". I think it's really one of the very best qualities of being human.
As for Paizo, I applaud them for including homosexual characters in their products. Gay people are a reality, and always have been. Shouldn't fiction recognize that fact? And yes, I fear that actively promoting an anti-gay agenda, hating and fearing others because they are different, and attempting to curtail their rights as equal human beings, is an evil act. I'm sorry that you disagree.
Tolerance is for everyone except intolerants.
I think Mr. Locke is purposefully ignoring the point that is trying to be made. Just as it is a homosexual's right to associate with whomever, it is the same for a heterosexual. Do I agree with the idea of "gays should die"? No. I don't know many who do, even if they think gay people are unequal or sinful.
The point he's making is he's saying that the "opposing viewpoint" is being declared as WRONG WRONG WRONG and everyone who says otherwise should be burned at the stake. While I don't know if this is true, having not read enough of Golarion's works...what if it doesn't float your boat? What if you're straight and don't like gays in THAT way?
Streets run both ways, generally. If he's right, then it IS intolerant. If he's wrong, then he's wrong. Simple. Also "I'm sorry you disagree" is an insult, not an apology, I hope you realize.
...g+@@&*mit I didn't want to get sucked back into this board. How'd it get unhidden for me?
I fear that not every opposing viewpoint is correct. History has shown which side was correct in the movement against slavery, and against racism and segregation, just to name two. I firmly believe that gay rights will be the next great social advance.
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If you believe in equality for homosexual people, you must necessarily believe that it is a good thing, and that it's opposite, excluding homosexual people from equal participation in society, must be an evil thing. Paizo is standing by their convictions, which are most likely shared by the majority of their customers.
In short, don't let the door hit you where Natural Selection split you.
The point he's making is he's saying that the "opposing viewpoint" is being declared as WRONG WRONG WRONG and everyone who says otherwise should be burned at the stake. While I don't know if this is true, having not read enough of Golarion's works...what if it doesn't float your boat? What if you're straight and don't like gays in THAT way?
"THAT WAY" being recognizing they're a fellow human being with rights? If you don't like gays in THAT WAY, then you're a despicable bigot.
You call that militant? That Paizo occassionally includes gay characters? That they actually allow homosexuals to have the good alignment? That they acknowledge the existence of homosexuality?
Okay.
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Bye bye Cory. Regretfully I can't honestly say you will be missed.
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After reviewing the "Homosexuality in Golarion" thread it has come to my attention that Paizo is actively promoting the idea that disliking homosexual behavior is evil (both in the real world sense and the Pathfinder mechanical sense) in their products. I can no longer in good conscience support a company that holds such an unethical and bigoted belief, all in the name of "tolerance" (oh, the irony)
I'm pretty sure that dnd/pfrpg alignment already describes unfairly opressing people as Evil, with a capital E.
Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
meanwhile
Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.
I suppose that doesn't reference 'dislike', only acting upon that dislike.
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Militant fundamentalist: Look out he has a bomb!
Militant Political correctness: Look out! They have .. the opinion that hating other people and condemning them for which way they want to connect the plumbing is a bad thing.
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I don't know; I think I, too, am going to start boycotting Paizo products until they stop being bigoted against goblins.
Down with Paizo!
Vive le Galt!
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I'm confused by the use of the alias to make the post? Does the OP not understand that the alias feature doesn't actually keep your identity secret, or is he protesting in-character?
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Irony of people being intolerant of tolerance.
Let me put it this way. You are free to not like homosexuality.
You are free to not like people eating meat.
You are free not to like people who use your left hand. They are your views and you are entitled to them.
What you can't do is expect other people to censor their own work because they depict things common in society that you wish to hide from.
That's what makes people upset and turn on you.
RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor
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After reviewing the "Homosexuality in Golarion" thread it has come to my attention that Paizo is actively promoting the idea that disliking homosexual behavior is evil (both in the real world sense and the Pathfinder mechanical sense) in their products. I can no longer in good conscience support a company that holds such an unethical and bigoted belief, all in the name of "tolerance" (oh, the irony)
To many contradictions, too many words that are used just completely incorrectly, your post has null content.
"That doesn't mean what you think it means"
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disliking homosexual behavior is evil
Let's get real here for a moment.
Disliking vegetables isn't evil. Scorning or discriminating against someone who likes vegetables and trying to make it financially or societally difficult for that someone to eat vegetables is. If you don't like vegetables, we're all okay with that... just don't interfere with other people and their salads.
Now. Paizo. Paizo doesn't encourage anyone to eat vegetables. They defend vegetable-eating as an option. That's it. They do not deny you or anyone else the right to not eat vegetables. Go nuts. Be a carnivore... I know I am. In no way does Paizo impede your right to dislike anything. Just don't expect the right to evangelize your personal fetishes (ie. intolerance of others).
Tolerance is an ideal. Acceptance is an ideal. Barring common-sense exceptions (ie. where a behaviour is harmful), a healthy person is tolerant and accepting of other people and their preferences. Murder is harmful. Child-molestation is harmful. Paizo clearly labels those as evil and rightly so. Sexual-orientation harms neither partner assuming - just as in hetero circumstances - consensual acts. And you know it.
So, how about we don't go around acting like Paizo should be supporting our personal prejudices? The idea of boycotting a gaming hobby company because you so desperately loathe the acts that don't involve you in any way is... kind of silly.
Hey Cory, you were told to take it to the Off-Topic section if you wanted to discuss it further. It was a simple instruction, given several times.
But maybe you just don't care anymore and intend to leave with a huff and burn as many bridges as you can while doing so?
After reviewing the "Homosexuality in Golarion" thread it has come to my attention that Paizo is actively promoting the idea that disliking homosexual behavior is evil (both in the real world sense and the Pathfinder mechanical sense) in their products. I can no longer in good conscience support a company that holds such an unethical and bigoted belief, all in the name of "tolerance" (oh, the irony)
Corey, it repeatedly was mentioned in that thread that the NPC in question is not evil.
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A character's sexual orientation has no bearing on how well they perform their role. Providing that type of information may not be necessary to tell the story, but having that information available does offer greater verisimilitude and allows me to provide a richer environment for my players. Sure, Paizo doesn't have to include this info (or any background info, for that matter) but I'm horrible at coming up with this kind of small-detailed information, and I'd much rather pay Paizo to do it.
Keep up the good work, Paizo!
OP, yes, the tide is rapidly turning against bigotry of your preferred flavor. You will be dragged by the hair into the future. Enjoy the ride!
