So, I want to buy a scroll of lesser binding.

[Rogar Stonebow]

I am level 3. My fame is 14. I have upwards of 7,000 gp. I believe I can purchase this scroll in any major city. Am I correct, or am I missing something? If I am, please tell me what I do need. Thank you.

I think the spell is actually called Planar Binding, Lesser. A 5th level spell.

[Nebten]

You are good to go, ghost rider. Good luck with that.

[Rogar Stonebow]

Hey thanks!

[David Haller]

You can buy one, but I'm going to go ahead and say that would be inadvisable.

First, you need to create a calling trap (magic circle against evil (or whatever) and dimensional anchor). Those are both spells you can't cast, so you need those scrolls too.

Then, you need to make a three caster level checks (DC 14, 15, and 16). You have a 9% chance of successfully casting from all three scrolls (the product of 50%, 45% and 40%).

Next, your target outsider gets a will save versus DC 17 (10 + 5 (spell level) +2 (+2 int bonus per 5th level scroll)). For argument's sake, let's say you're trying to call a bearded devil, which has a +3 will save (an excellent choice, as it's fairly tough melee tank at your level, and has a poor will save AND low charisma - a perfect candidate for binding!): you have a 65% chance of actually grabbing it into your trap - not bad!

Your aggregate probability of success in this venture is now 65% of 9%, or about 6%.

But let's say luck is on your side, and we've lured the beast into the calling trap: now it's time to negotiate. The smart play is "open ended service", so you'll have this totally scenario-breaking bodyguard/heavy (like Oddjob!). Let's say, too, that you offer him the right to kill any captives (that's what most Pathfinders do anyway!), so it's a straight roll-off of opposed charisma checks. I don't know what your charisma is, but let's say you're a sorcerer with charisma 20 (to make this the best possible scenario), so it's your d20+5 versus its d20+0: this gives you a 77% likelihood of success.

Factoring this into our running probability model, we now have 77% x 6%, or 4.5%.

So - your investment of 2200gp for the three needed scrolls nets you a 4.5% chance of calling and binding a bearded devil; that's a little less likely than rolling an "natural 20" on a d20 roll.

So... a nifty idea, but something to wait for (until level 9 or so!)

[Rogar Stonebow]

David Gallery wrote :

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Then, you need to make a three caster level checks (DC 14, 15, and 16). You have a 9% chance of successfully casting from all three scrolls (the product of 50%, 45% and 40%).

Why DC of 14 15 & 16?

[El Baron de los Banditos]

Rogar Stonebow wrote:

David Gallery wrote :

Quote:

Then, you need to make a three caster level checks (DC 14, 15, and 16). You have a 9% chance of successfully casting from all three scrolls (the product of 50%, 45% and 40%).

Why DC of 14 15 & 16?

To emulate the caster level of the scrolls, if my logic is in order.

[Aram bin Kaleel, Pathfinder]

Plus - he goes away at the end of the scenario, since all spells end then - so you have to do it every time. A neat idea, but unsustainable.

[hogarth]

El Baron de los Banditos wrote:

Rogar Stonebow wrote:

David Gallery wrote :

Quote:

Then, you need to make a three caster level checks (DC 14, 15, and 16). You have a 9% chance of successfully casting from all three scrolls (the product of 50%, 45% and 40%).

Why DC of 14 15 & 16?

To emulate the caster level of the scrolls, if my logic is in order.

The caster level check DCs would be 5, 7 and 9 (for scrolls with caster level 5, 7 and 9 respectively).

EDIT: Oops, off by one. See below.

[Harley Quinn X]

El Baron de los Banditos wrote:

Rogar Stonebow wrote:

David Gallery wrote :

Quote:

Then, you need to make a three caster level checks (DC 14, 15, and 16). You have a 9% chance of successfully casting from all three scrolls (the product of 50%, 45% and 40%).

Why DC of 14 15 & 16?

To emulate the caster level of the scrolls, if my logic is in order.

If I'm not mistaken, assuming you have a high enough score in the casting stat, the checks should be lower than that.

Magic Circle Against Evil scroll would be CL 5, so DC 6.
Dimensional Anchor scroll would be CL 7, so DC 8.
Lesser Planar Binding scroll would be CL 9, so DC 10.

[Benrislove]

Planar binding is awesome, but as was said there are a lot of things involved in setting it up. It's expensive and honestly even if it literally auto-won the scenario, you'd probably still lose money :-p.

I'd recommend waiting until you have the ability to cast the other spells at least.

Also most scenario's don't really have enough time to do all the binding set-up, but most Sanctioned modules do :D

[Rogar Stonebow]

My character is trying to meet the prerequisites for the Diabolist. I figured this is the best way to do it.

[hogarth]

I'm sure you know this (since you started the other thread linked below), but for PFS you need to cast the spell yourself; a scroll isn't good enough.

Link: Requirements for Diabolist For PFS play

[Rogar Stonebow]

Ahhh.. I didn't return to it that far down. Kewl... Well, i Have to wait for level 7 then.

[Victor Zajic]

Lesser Planar Binding is a 5th level spell. So if you're a wizard, that means no Diabolist until level 10. Level 11 if you are a Sorceror.

It sucks, I know, I'm playing a Sorceror who wants to take the class.

[Rogar Stonebow]

IM playing a cleric. So i can get it at lvl 7

[Victor Zajic]

You would need to be able to cast Lesser Planar Ally before you can take the class. Since it's a level 4 cleric spell, you can cast it at level 7, so you can take the class at level 8.