Hey guys,
Is there a way for sorcerers to get cure spells? Preferably without multiclassing, but if that's what it takes then so be it. I looked through d20pfsrd and searched the messageboards here a bit, but found nothing. I thought, with all these archetypes and alternative traits around, maybe there is a way :)
Samsaran race, Mystic Past Life. Grab them from Bard.
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Yes you can. If you use the race Samsarans, with the racial ability
Mystic Past Life (Su) You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class. You add a number of spells equal to 1 + your spellcasting class's key ability score bonus (Wisdom for clerics, and so on). The spells must be the same type (arcane or divine) as the spellcasting class you're adding them to. For example, you could add divine power to your druid class spell list, but not to your wizard class spell list because divine power is a divine spell. These spells do not have to be spells you can cast as a 1st-level character. The number of spells granted by this ability is set at 1st level. Changes to your ability score do not change the number of spells gained. This racial trait replaces shards of the past.
Since witch is an arcane caster and has the cure spells on it's list so you can pick up a few of them. Also the Razmiran Priest archtype gives you some options but no actual cure spells on you list.
Edit: Ninja'd by Serisan, and yes bard is an option too over witch.
I'm starting to get the impression that the Samsaran's ability is a bit too good :p
I'm starting to get the impression that the Samsaran's ability is a bit too good :p
Starting? Come now...
As I've been informed, you can get Haste on Divine casters with it because of Oath Against Savagery. It's hazy if you can use Domain Spells that way, but there are a lot of funny options that come from it if you tack on post-CRB classes and options. It's not that unbalanced in an otherwise CRB only setting.
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And when people say you can do that, you just laugh at them and then get a cheese cutter. Because cheese is delicious :D
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Not directly that I know of, but sorcerers do have high charisma and Use Magic Device as a class skill. The DC to activate a wand is always 20, and a sorc can easily have a +8 at UMD at level 1. By the time you can afford a Circlet of Persuasion, you should have a +5 cha and 5 skill ranks, so you should be able to hit +16 pretty easily by level 5 or 6. Maybe grab the Dangerously Curious trait for an extra +1, or Skill Focus (UMD) if you're really desperate to be good at it.
Or you can use the Infernal Healing spell, which is good for healing between fights as long as you don't mind that it's evil. But that's not good during fights.
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Adding Spells to a Sorcerer's or Bard's Repertoire: A sorcerer or bard gains spells each time she attains a new level in her class and never gains spells any other way. When your sorcerer or bard gains a new level, consult Table: Bard Spells Known or Table: Sorcerer Spells Known to learn how many spells from the appropriate spell list she now knows. With permission from the GM, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they come across while adventuring.
I told my Gnome Sorcerer that if he invests time and story that he could learn Cure spells from a Cleric. Bastardize some form of arcane form that he derived from studying the flow of magic. Especially because the party has no healer and goes through potions like crazy.
Do you use 3rd party materials? If so I recommend checking out the super genius magister, its on d20pfsrd. Alot of flexibility there in spell list, and operates pretty similarly to a sorceror
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there is always Infernal healing, its a sorc/wizard spell that heals.
Yes you can. If you use the race Samsarans, with the racial ability
Mystic Past Life (Su) You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class. You add a number of spells equal to 1 + your spellcasting class's key ability score bonus (Wisdom for clerics, and so on). The spells must be the same type (arcane or divine) as the spellcasting class you're adding them to. For example, you could add divine power to your druid class spell list, but not to your wizard class spell list because divine power is a divine spell. These spells do not have to be spells you can cast as a 1st-level character. The number of spells granted by this ability is set at 1st level. Changes to your ability score do not change the number of spells gained. This racial trait replaces shards of the past.
Since witch is an arcane caster and has the cure spells on it's list so you can pick up a few of them. Also the Razmiran Priest archtype gives you some options but no actual cure spells on you list.
Edit: Ninja'd by Serisan, and yes bard is an option too over witch.
Heal is on the Witch list, though, for what it's worth =)
REALLY depends on the DM, but with existing precedents of arcane cure spells in bard and witch class spell lists, spell research (in the magic chapter of CRB) might be an option. Pricey but doable.
Heal definitely is on the Witch list. You don't need to pick which list you go off of, though. :-)
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Heal definitely is on the Witch list. You don't need to pick which list you go off of, though. :-)
Well, you do care insofar as the Arcane/Divine divide. Since Witch is arcane and has Heal, it gives you the ability to select that using the Samsaran ability as an arcane caster. Without the Witch, no arcane caster would have that spell and thus the Samsaran would not be able to select it except for their divine side.
A Page of Spell Knowledge and UMD might be the best way to get non-sorcerer/wizard spells on your list if you're starting over and thus can't be a Samsaran.
A better question, though, is why would you want the Cure spells? They're a pretty lousy use for your spell slots--much better in a wand.
Magaambyan Arcanist prestige class will let you add druid spells (which has cure spells) at each classe level so you can get a total of 10 druid spells from it. It requires you to take a 1 level dip into wizard though because you need "spell mastery" feat access which as far as I know is still wizard only.
Heal definitely is on the Witch list. You don't need to pick which list you go off of, though. :-)Well, you do care insofar as the Arcane/Divine divide. Since Witch is arcane and has Heal, it gives you the ability to select that using the Samsaran ability as an arcane caster. Without the Witch, no arcane caster would have that spell and thus the Samsaran would not be able to select it except for their divine side.
Aaaah, I was mistaken on how the Samsaran ability worked - I thought you had to specifically pick a prior class to choose from, and thus if you started picking stuff off the Bard list you wouldn't be able to nab anything from Witch, for example.
The ability saysAaaah, I was mistaken on how the Samsaran ability worked - I thought you had to specifically pick a prior class to choose from, and thus if you started picking stuff off the Bard list you wouldn't be able to nab anything from Witch, for example.Heal definitely is on the Witch list. You don't need to pick which list you go off of, though. :-)Well, you do care insofar as the Arcane/Divine divide. Since Witch is arcane and has Heal, it gives you the ability to select that using the Samsaran ability as an arcane caster. Without the Witch, no arcane caster would have that spell and thus the Samsaran would not be able to select it except for their divine side.
"you can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class."
Class singular NOT classes plural. This means you have to pick ONE class, bard, witch etc and take all your choices from that one class.
Well thanks guys, interesting options! Sadly though Samsarans are not sanctioned as playable race, so I guess thats a "No" in my case.
A Page of Spell Knowledge and UMD might be the best way to get non-sorcerer/wizard spells on your list if you're starting over and thus can't be a Samsaran.
A better question, though, is why would you want the Cure spells? They're a pretty lousy use for your spell slots--much better in a wand.
My question was about a 1st level character. Since I didn't want to focus so hard on UMD, the DC for reliably casting CLW off a wand is a bit high I think, therefore my question on how to get it on my list of spells.
Oh this is for Pathfinder Society? Yea I think you're stuck with a non-curing sorcerer.
IIRC, the DC of a wand is 20 which isn't too bad (except of course at level 1). With one rank in the skill and a +3 charisma you'd have +7 to the roll which could work out if you try to heal outside of combat... as long as you don't botch. If you really wanted, you could be a human and use the alternate racial that gives a skill focus at 1, 8, and 16 and use it on UMD, but as you said you didn't want to focus too much on it.
As a 1st level sorcerer you can cast infernal healing which isn't as useful in combat as CLW but does allow you to heal some wounds.
Celestial Blooded will aslo allow a minor healing effect assuming your party is good aligned.
Otherwise you could ask a permisive GM if a maestro blooded sorcerer could use bard spells or even let a sorcerer use the witch spell list in place of the wizard.
Finally there are magical rings that would let you cast a first level bard spell as a second level sorcerer spell but thats no heal at level 1.
A Page of Spell Knowledge and UMD might be the best way to get non-sorcerer/wizard spells on your list if you're starting over and thus can't be a Samsaran.
A better question, though, is why would you want the Cure spells? They're a pretty lousy use for your spell slots--much better in a wand.
+1 on the latter point.
I'm not sure what the point with Pages of Spell Knowledge is.
They don't allow casting off-list spells in any way... I don't think UMD changes that, since all the item DOES is make it a spell known, you still have to cast it yourself. Or perhaps you meant to reference RINGS of Spell Knowledge instead?
Rings of Spell Knowledge DO allow off-list spells known, albeit limited to the same arcane/divine spell type as your normal casting. That means with a Type 2 Ring of Spell Knowledge, you can prepare Bard CLW as a 2nd Level Sorceror spell. With the spell level adjustment, I think the point about 'value' of doing this is even more strengthened... Maybe some high level healing spells are useful, but CERTAINLY not CLW. A Type 2 Ring is 6000k gp also.
Just on the topic of healing HPs (distinct from the specific CLW spell), there are some Sorceror Bloodline abilities that can do this:
CELESTIAL BL 1st level Power: Heavenly Fire (Sp): ...Against evil creatures, this ray deals 1d4 points of damage + 1 for every two sorcerer levels you possess. ...This ray heals good creatures of 1d4 points of damage + 1 for every two sorcerer levels you possess. A good creature cannot benefit from your heavenly fire more than once per day. Neutral creatures are neither harmed nor healed by this effect. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.
WILDBLOODED(Empyreal): Sacred Cistern (Su): At 9th level, your bloodline makes you a natural receptacle of divine energy. You can channel energy once per day as a cleric of your sorcerer level – 4. This bloodline power replaces wings of heaven.
The first is easily selectable via Eldritch Heritage, the latter doesn't work with EH by RAW (PFS), but if this is so important to you, selecting the Celestial Bloodline (getting the 1st ability automatically) and taking the Wildblooded(Empyreal) Archetype seems pretty appropriate (and exactly what those bloodlines/archetypes are designed for). If I wanted to play a Sorceror that healed people, I would select Celestial/Empyreal as my Bloodlines.
You could also dip in (the CHA using) Oracle class, who gets CLW automatically, and picking the Life Mystery, you can choose the Channel (Positive Energy) Revelation, and the Elemental Body Revelation which includes 'free' healing.
I'm going to chime in support of the Infernal Healing guys. It's been working alright in my party which had no healers. 10 guaranteed points of healing is pretty nice if you're healing in between battles.
I'm not sure what the point with Pages of Spell Knowledge is.
They don't allow casting off-list spells in any way... I don't think UMD changes that, since all the item DOES is make it a spell known, you still have to cast it yourself. Or perhaps you meant to reference RINGS of Spell Knowledge instead?
No, I meant that you could use UMD to spoof the pages into thinking you had the spell on your list (emulate a class feature--DC 20). The page would then let you treat it as a spell known and thus cast it with your own slots.
Note that at this point I was assuming he wanted the Cures to actually cast them, not just to auto-pass a UMD check. It'd be silly to go this route if your goal was to just use a wand, as it won't help use a wand and the DC is the same as just activating the wand.
We're not talking about a PFS character, I am not bound by the society rules.
Note that at this point I was assuming he wanted the Cures to actually cast them, not just to auto-pass a UMD check. It'd be silly to go this route if your goal was to just use a wand, as it won't help use a wand and the DC is the same as just activating the wand.
Well, you are right! I'm not sure if the party will have any dedicated healer, I came up with my question so I could do some emergency healing if neccessary. Since we likely won't have the money to get a wand of CLW anywhere before 2nd/3rd level, UMD does very little to help before we get there.