ARG - Modron

[MrWakka]

So I am looking to develop a take on the Modron, unfortunately the traits available in the advanced race guide do not really match the 3.5 version (Dragon 354) that well. It used the living construct race trait, and the half construct doesn't match up in the least.

So here is what I came up with, and I am curious to get feedback, and if anyone agrees/disagrees with my RP value for it. I should also note the campaign that it will be used in also uses some 3.5 content, such as some spells.

Racial Type: Outsider (Lawful, Sentient Construct)

Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, effects that cause the sickened condition, and energy drain. (8rp)

Reasoning:

Representing the living construct immunities from 3.5. Duergar immunities covers some of these and clocks in at 4rp, this is more extensive so I felt it should be more obviously. Not sure if double is enough, but it seemed reasonable.

Does not need to eat, drink, or sleep. Though may do so in order to gain benefits. A Modron must still meditate for 8 hours to regain spells. (6rp)

Reasoning:

Looking at the half construct race, I ultimately came to pricing this in at 6rp.

Spell Vulnerabilty: As a Modron they are subject to spells that affect living creatures and constructs, such as Disable Construct and Harm. (-2rp)

Reasoning:

More 3.5 stuff. The ability to be hit by spells directed against constructs seemed worth 2pts, using the elemental vulnerability trait as example.

Healing Vulnerabilty: spells from the healing subschool and sypernatural abilities that cure hitpoint and/or ability damage are only 50% effective. (-2rp)

Reasoning:

See above

Spell Weakness: Spells that effect armor, such as heat metal, or chill metal, damage the target regardless of the armor being worn. Likewise he is affected by other spells that target a creature as if he were wearing metal armor, should that have an effect, regardless of the material of the clothing or armor he wears. Spells that affect objects only cannot be used on the subject. (-1rp)

Reasoning:

Not as strong a weakness in my mind, so only 1pt.

Revive and Resurrection: A Modron cannot be revived or resurrected, but may be affected by Revive Outsider, and Wish. (-1rp)

Reasoning:

The greater difficulty in being revived seemed worth a point, and I again drew from the half construct race to price it.

Dark Vision (0rp), from outsider.

Reasoning:

Outsiders get dark vision, while not in the 3.5 modron, I went back and forth on it until I finally decided it should have it.

Ability Bonuses

Ability Bonuses: +2 con, +2 int, -4 Cha. (-1rp)

Reasoning:

Fairly close to 3.5, no dex penalty, but made up for with much weaker charisma. Went this route since there is not a -2, -2, +2, +2 option in the ARG.

Other Bonuses/Penalties

Racial Perception Bonus: +2 racial bonus to perception (2rp)

Reasoning:

Modrons are noted often for their ability to notice things.

Illusion Resistance: Modrons logical minds are able to more keenly discern illusions. Modrons gain +2 racial saving throw bonus against illusion spells and effects (1rp)

Reasoning:

Standard trait in the ARG

Modron Shell: A modron has a resistance of 5 to Acid, Cold, and Fire, and a +2 to their natural armor. (6rp)

Reasoning:

1rp per elemental resistance, +2rp for the natural armor and 1rp to improve it. Modrons in 3.5 and planescape as having resistances and armor increase.

Born of Order: -2 to all charisma checks against chaotic creatures. (-1rp)

Reasoning:

Penalty from 3.5

Cubed: Cannot wear normal armor, all such equipment must be fitted for the creature. Doesn’t increase cost of purchased gear, but means found armor will need to be adapted before use. (0rp)

Reasoning:

Didn't seem worth a point itself

Surprise Vulnerability: Remains flat-footed for an extra round following a surprise round. (-1rp)

Reasoning:

from 3.5 and planescape, didn't seem worth 2pts, but worth at least 1pt.

The end total is 14

Thoughts, think I over or undervalued?

[blackbloodtroll]

Have you seen the Android?

[MrWakka]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Have you seen the Android?

I had not, very interesting. How is that a 16 rp creature? the points listed only add up to 4, and judging from the other stats would seem to only be 10 in total.

[blackbloodtroll]

The RP math does not add up. It should be 10.

There was a errata around, but I forgot where.

[Scythia]

My favourite trait of Modrons was how in 2e they had a static initiative, rolled at gen and set for life. That to me epitomized the ideal of order and clockwork nature they represented.

I have no idea what rp cost that would have though.

[MrWakka]

Scythia wrote:

My favourite trait of Modrons was how in 2e they had a static initiative, rolled at gen and set for life. That to me epitomized the ideal of order and clockwork nature they represented.

I have no idea what rp cost that would have though.

I'd likely set it at 0rp personally, entirely possible to be stuck with a one. Some of the other optional things in 2nd ed were fun as well, like preset actions which could allow you to act out of initiative if the conditions were met.

[Scythia]

MrWakka wrote:

Scythia wrote:

My favourite trait of Modrons was how in 2e they had a static initiative, rolled at gen and set for life. That to me epitomized the ideal of order and clockwork nature they represented.

I have no idea what rp cost that would have though.

I'd likely set it at 0rp personally, entirely possible to be stuck with a one. Some of the other optional things in 2nd ed were fun as well, like preset actions which could allow you to act out of initiative if the conditions were met.

That was always a risk, fair point.

There were alot of things I liked and wanted to try in Planescape, but sadly it came out at a time when my 2e group was splitting up, and when next I had a group 3 was the game of choice.

[Azaelas Fayth]

Dot.

[mentallyunstableMale]

I would give them some kind of bonus to being healed by stuff like mend, things like that.

Treat them like objects for the purpose of those spells?