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People need to realize you do not need the money RIGHT now. Pledge early get in on things like the daily deel and just save up, you normally have a few weeks.
I realize this...but it is quite annoying to alter my pledge every other week. I'd much rather see everything that's on the table before I commit.
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People need to realize you do not need the money RIGHT now. Pledge early get in on things like the daily deel and just save up, you normally have a few weeks.I realize this...but it is quite annoying to alter my pledge every other week. I'd much rather see everything that's on the table before I commit.
Seeing as how you can change your pledge at any time, I guess I don't see what is so "annoying" about it. I've changed my pledge twice and will again before it's all said and done.
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I concur with the sentiment that it is annoying to have to change one's pledge after the fact; I like to only have to do something like that once, although not to say that I wouldn't, I just don't like doing it.
While I did support the Technology Demo, I personally have little to no interest or ability to get into an MMORPG at this time, so I've settled at this time for the Print Pack (the miniatures are tempting, but unless they come up as options separate from the Online Game rewards I will be passing on them during the kickstarter)
For that reason I'm hoping that the kickstarter passes, else I may not see the expanded edition of the Superdungeon published, if it is published at all.
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Seeing as how you can change your pledge at any time, I guess I don't see what is so "annoying" about it. I've changed my pledge twice and will again before it's all said and done.People need to realize you do not need the money RIGHT now. Pledge early get in on things like the daily deel and just save up, you normally have a few weeks.I realize this...but it is quite annoying to alter my pledge every other week. I'd much rather see everything that's on the table before I commit.
Although I tend to have more free time than most; I choose not to spend it constantly checking what new bells and whistles Goblinworks is unveiling on any given day. While I can appreciate the marketing aspects behind encouraging backers and would-be backers to "stay on their toes" I'd much rather mark my calendar for the last day or so and make my decision at that point.
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...I've settled at this time for the Print Pack (the miniatures are tempting, but unless they come up as options separate from the Online Game rewards I will be passing on them during the kickstarter!
I think the 100$ CF Pioneer level is where the miniatures and the big collection of PDF books (42 or 43 now) both come in.
...I've settled at this time for the Print Pack (the miniatures are tempting, but unless they come up as options separate from the Online Game rewards I will be passing on them during the kickstarter!I think the 100$ CF Pioneer level is where the miniatures and the big collection of PDF books (42 or 43 now) both come in.
that is correct.
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I have been telling my friends to look into the $100 kit. It is a great bargain if you consider it includes +4 months subscription. I'm not sure if the "+ 4" means on top of the free 30 days that will come with the game, but either way this is what it looks like to me:
$100 pledge = Game ($40 value) + 4 months subscription ($60 value)---> $0 for all the extras! Not a bad bargain!
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$100 pledge = Game + 30 days ($55 value)+4 months subscription ($60 value)---> -$15 for all the extras! What a steal!!
I personally went for the $100.00 pledge and I will definitely go for a Life Time subscription if it is offered.
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I personally went for the $100.00 pledge and I will definitely go for a Life Time subscription if it is offered.
Ryan said there won't be a lifetime subscription like you see in most games. Companies end up losing money when they do that because the 'lifetime' cost is equal to about 1.5 years of game time. If we do see a lifetime sub, expect it to be quadruple digit to absorb the risk. This game is being designed to be around for a while.
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Wait, why is everybody responding to my quote with the $100 pledge thing?
The $100 dollar pledge level has a bunch of MMO rewards which I wouldn't be using (seriously, even if I wanted to play my computer can't handle the games). So it's not a "Steal" from that perspective.
It's like you didn't read the part where I said "separate from the tier options" or something and just assumed I didn't know how to find the pledge level with the miniatures.
As for PDFs, I like the books I own to take up space on my shelves. So on top of that, I'd still need to take the Print Pack Option.
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The Tech Demo Kickstarter was only for $50,000 and it took in about $150,000 in the last few days, after pulling in about $75,000 in the first few days.
This Kickstarter took in about $175,000 in the first few days. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think it might pull in twice that amount in the last few days.
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The Tech Demo Kickstarter was only for $50,000 and it took in about $150,000 in the last few days, after pulling in about $75,000 in the first few days.
yeah, but the Tech Demo was funded and running wild on strech goals by the end. (not that the Emerald Spire isn't at least as good a carrot as the thormkeep book)
this one got a running start from the notifications to Tech Demo pledgers
I wonder how many on them are already in it at this point
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The Tech Demo was funded and running wild on stretch goals by the end. (not that the Emerald Spire isn't at least as good a carrot as the thormkeep book)/QUOTE]
A graphic showing levels being added to the Spire would be cool, complete with little author pictures and images of the miniatures unlocked along the way. I imagine it being something like the Reaper Bones project's graveyard.
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Kickstarter's own data says that projects which reach 30% of their goal have a 90% success rate. Large gaming Kickstarters have an exceptionally large rate of pledges near the end of their timelines. I expect ours will be no different, and I'm highly confident we'll be funded. For comparison, the Tech Demo earned 2/3rds of its pledges in its final 8 days, and 1/3rd in the final 24 hours.
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A week ago, before Christmas, the kicktraq projection showed a range of outcomes from missing the mark by $200,000, to surpassing it by $400,000.
That is a projection based on averages over the kickstarter, it does not include a 3-day surge which is common for many kickstarter projects.
I expected a week or two of slow days during the holidays.
There is no reason to believe that failure is certain (certainly possible, but not even likely). Anybody that tells you so is being dishonest. While kicktraq was using its rudimentary system to project success, we saw less of these doom-and-gloom posts; now they are back due to the expected holiday slump.
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let's be brutally honest here and Goblinworks I know you are watching so chime in. The number DON'T look good doesthis thing really have a chance or are we all just hoping it does?
Right now...you're right in saying that things do not look good. I think they expected the PDF Superpack to be a bigger cash cow than it was. (Third Party content is just not my cup of tea.)
But it is unacceptable for GW to let this project fail...and I expect more dramatic stretch goals & add-ons during the last week mostly aimed at the wallets of the pen & paper crowd. I'm good for another $100 when I add on my Emerald Spire print pack...but what would get me to pledge more?
1. A "Just the Minis" add on.
2. More PFS rewards.
3. Some b@~&#in' swag. (dice, dice bags, etc.)
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kicktraq is a tool which is still being developed; in order to make any projections at all, it needs to make assumptions which are demonstrably false.
If someone was offering bets at 5 for 3 on an over-under at a specific dollar amount, then they would have a genuine prediction.
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I'm highly confident we'll be funded.
I find this extremely comforting.
Where is the kicktraq link on the kickstarter page?
There's not one on the Kickstarter page, but you can use this one. Or you can just go to kicktraq.com and search for Pathfinder Online.
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Frankly, I don't think the Daily Deal is going to matter one way or the other. It moved some folks to pledge earlier than they otherwise would have but not a huge number.
I agree for the question at hand -- whether the KS will fund -- but there's another question that you might find interesting. I can tell you that for me, the Daily Deal motivated me to up my pledge from the print pack, and I'm now committed to at least giving the MMO a shot. I might not have the money at the end for the books, but I'll at least keep the computer game, which is the opposite of how I was looking at it at first. So there's that.
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I'm good for another $100 when I add on my Emerald Spire print pack...but what would get me to pledge more?
1. A "Just the Minis" add on.
2. More PFS rewards.
3. Some b@&*#in' swag. (dice, dice bags, etc.)
I don't think they want to completely divorce the PFRPG rewards from the PFO ones. It's not just a matter of funding right now, if someone gets an account they didn't expect to want, some will try it anyway, and some will give it away (or possibly resell it). Some of those players will quit, but some will stick around or even pass the account on again as long as they haven't behaved so poorly they got it banned. Even if the percentages are small, there's an open door inviting someone to try it.
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Frankly, I don't think the Daily Deal is going to matter one way or the other. It moved some folks to pledge earlier than they otherwise would have but not a huge number.I agree for the question at hand -- whether the KS will fund -- but there's another question that you might find interesting. I can tell you that for me, the Daily Deal motivated me to up my pledge from the print pack, and I'm now committed to at least giving the MMO a shot. I might not have the money at the end for the books, but I'll at least keep the computer game, which is the opposite of how I was looking at it at first. So there's that.
If there were a way for someone to 'make up for' missed DD days, what would it need to cost in order for you not to feel that your trust was betrayed? Currently, someone can buy an alpha-level pledge and get every DD even if they waited until the last possible moment, but someone who bumped their pledge up to 35$ a little before they were comfortable doing so is unlikely to feel a 1000$ pledge invalidates their choice, I would think. If there were an add-on offered in the last 48 hours which allowed people to 'buy' missed DD days, what would each day need to cost in order for you not to feel unfairly manipulated?
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Another idea I had over on the KS comments was to make the DD items a prize pool, and DD-qualifying days give you a number of tickets with which to choose from them. That way, the rarity is not entirely dependent upon the order of release, and people could even get multiple copies of some items if they didn't mind missing out on others.
That idea was inspired by my frustration with the veteran rewards system of CoH. Because I was introduced to the game late, there were some completely cosmetic items that were years out of reach simply because there was a lot of crap in front of them. Instead of an encouragement to stay, it became, for me, a reason to leave. There were things that were just too perfect for a character concept not to use, but identity is portable, and I could take the character concept somewhere else. If I could have accrued veteran 'points' and chosen rewards from the list (which would likely have had varying costs) I would have seen a more reasonable achievement horizon to using those character ideas in CoH, and stuck around a lot longer.
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I don't think there's any reason for it to be addressed (any further than it already has) unless it actually happens. Think positive :)
The game is funded, it will be made. If this KS fails, which I don't think it will, then they simply won't have the funds to hire more staff and speed up the time frame.
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We lost 10k in funding today roughly half of the weekend take.
it was two pledgers for taverns
on the one hand, the risk involved in offering such high amount levels
on the other hand the first pull was about 8k$ - uncanny close to the same pull exactely two weeks ago to make me wonder if it was the same person behind it.
hurting a kickstarter 101:
pledge high on a busy day, wait a day, pull out
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The reasons high dollar backers might reverse a pledge are legion and I'm not privy to them. It's unfortunate, but it's to be expected in a project like this.
Again, I remain very optimistic. Again, 90% of projects which reach 30% of their goal are funded. Again, we got 2/3rds of the total amount raised for the Technology Demo in the last 8 days. Again, we got 1/3rd of the amount raised in the last 24 hours. Again, it's the holidays - and nobody would have expected a lot of movement over the holidays; although what we did raise exceeded my expectations.
The board is green here at Goblinworks. We're getting ready for the Big Push. This is why we didn't run a 30 day Kickstarter, we gave ourselves 2 weeks post-Holiday to hit the goal.
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We lost 10k in funding today roughly half of the weekend take. I think the title of this thread needs to be addressed, what does happen if this isn't funded? Does goblinworks walk away from 650,000$ or 800,000$ is there a plan?
There is always a plan. Always. But I don't want to focus on plans for what ifs. We will cross whatever bridge if and when we get to it. Anybody that knows me knows that I always have plans for every contingency. That is how I roll. So don't fret about if we have a plan. I always have a plan. Instead, let's focus on hitting the funding goal. We still have things up our sleeves. We have been waiting for the holiday season to pass (we planned this all along). All is not lost. Have faith! :)
-Lisa
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I don't think they want to completely divorce the PFRPG rewards from the PFO ones. It's not just a matter of funding right now, if someone gets an account they didn't expect to want, some will try it anyway, and some will give it away (or possibly resell it).
In the end it will come down to doing whatever it takes to fully fund the Kickstarter. That is going to mean a strong appeal to the pen & paper only crowd.
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Lisa yours is the post that convinces me that this will go through, so thanks and happy new year.
Agreed, thank you Lisa. Because every time I hear the 90% quote I always think, "And 10% fail..." You can't win a pessimist with statements short of a "full glass". Most of us are gamers, we know what happens when we say, "Don't worry guys, I can only fail this on a 2 or lower."
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If there were a way for someone to 'make up for' missed DD days, what would it need to cost in order for you not to feel that your trust was betrayed? Currently, someone can buy an alpha-level pledge and get every DD even if they waited until the last possible moment, but someone who bumped their pledge up to 35$ a little before they were comfortable doing so is unlikely to feel a 1000$ pledge invalidates their choice, I would think. If there were an add-on offered in the last 48 hours which allowed people to 'buy' missed DD days, what would each day need to cost in order for you not to feel unfairly manipulated?
Nothing. It hasn't actually cost me anything yet, and I can always reduce my pledge later, which is why I was willing to pledge money that I'm not sure I'll have. Also, I only cared about making sure I'd have access to the Daily Deals if I wanted them later; the exclusivity itself is not important to me. But that's just me.
Why did you select a 1 millions goal if you already have the founding?
This is a huge risk, if it doesn't reach 1 m you will get nothing, you could have just went with 500k to ensure to have something and it could have gone higher anyway.
By asking for so much, you might get nothing....