| 666bender |
Furious Focus, Greater Magic Fang, and an Amulet of Mighty Fists are a start.
well... Furious Focus - only work on att #1, great if i'll go the path of vital strike and 1 big kaboom...
magic fang is already in the above to hit.and the amulet wont stack with the spell.
we can create magic items, (although we are VERY poor) but we cant buy any.
| 666bender |
mmm...
sounds legit... so go to be a summoner / buffer a bit more - and strike when opponent are with less AC / in the flank.
also - it might be worth not taking the tiger / many attack form and really focus on a 1 hit wonder.
than, with vital strike, power att adn furious focus, aid and flank with the pet and full greater magic wepon - i might do some real pain
| 666bender |
what's attack from below with a burrow speed. got to do with it ?
it will keep me alive, but wont allow me better hits:)
build: (we have special rule that allow retrain 1 feat every 4 lvls)
str: 16, dex:14, con: 14, int :10, wis :16, cha: 8
hp = 56
ac = 14 as wild shape (poor)
feats: power att, natural spell, spell focus (conj), craft wonderous items.
total gold : 3K
items: scimitar +1, hide +1 some potions of healing.
animal companion: dead, planning to grab a new boar or wolf.
future feat planning: lvl 7=aug summoner lvl 9 = either vital strike or planar wild shape.
| Bertious |
If your GM is keeping you cash starved try asking him if you can use harvested materials from unusual creatures as components to make items in place of cash as it is more thematic and he can still limit your selection by saying "Hmmm well yes the iron spikes from that manticore can be used to make enchanted shield spikes or a magical morning star but it's not suitable for that amulet of natural armor ect."
| 666bender |
Power attack, like deadly aim, is frequently a poor feat choice for 3/4 BAB combatants. You are already having to struggle to keep up with a full BAB progression, anything that reduces your to hit is generally a bad idea.
Bull's strength is your friend here though.
so save it to use with furious focus on 1 hit wonder only i guess.
| Adamantine Dragon |
Adamantine Dragon wrote:blackbloodtroll wrote:When you hit from below, you catch the opponent flat-footed.Where do you see this BBT? I've not heard this before.Whilst in the ground, you have total concealment.
It makes you effectively invisible.
OK, so "hitting while in the ground with total concealment" is not remotely the same thing as "hitting from below."
Also "burrowing" is not necessarily going to allow you to "hit from the ground with concealment". This might work in earth elemental form where you can literally move through the earth, but a medium sized creature "burrowing" in the ground is not going to be something that escapes notice, and if your target can't see you, how can you see your target? If you are concealed from your target by the dirt, then your target would also be concealed from you. Unless you can show me some rule that allows "peeking" through the ground to hit your opponent.
| Adamantine Dragon |
Adamantine Dragon wrote:Power attack, like deadly aim, is frequently a poor feat choice for 3/4 BAB combatants. You are already having to struggle to keep up with a full BAB progression, anything that reduces your to hit is generally a bad idea.
Bull's strength is your friend here though.
so save it to use with furious focus on 1 hit wonder only i guess.
So, how is a wild-shaped druid using furious focus anyway?
| Brotato |
blackbloodtroll wrote:Adamantine Dragon wrote:blackbloodtroll wrote:When you hit from below, you catch the opponent flat-footed.Where do you see this BBT? I've not heard this before.Whilst in the ground, you have total concealment.
It makes you effectively invisible.
OK, so "hitting while in the ground with total concealment" is not remotely the same thing as "hitting from below."
Also "burrowing" is not necessarily going to allow you to "hit from the ground with concealment". This might work in earth elemental form where you can literally move through the earth, but a medium sized creature "burrowing" in the ground is not going to be something that escapes notice, and if your target can't see you, how can you see your target? If you are concealed from your target by the dirt, then your target would also be concealed from you. Unless you can show me some rule that allows "peeking" through the ground to hit your opponent.
Considering Incorporeal creatures still suffer 50% miss chance on their attacks while remaining within objects and a PC is allowed to ready an action to hit them as their attacking appendage exits the ground, I find it hard to believe a physically corporeal creature displacing the ground would have an advantage the incorporeal creature doesn't.
blackbloodtroll
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Adamantine Dragon wrote:Considering Incorporeal creatures still suffer 50% miss chance on their attacks while remaining within objects and a PC is allowed to ready an action to hit them as their attacking appendage exits the ground, I find it hard to believe a physically corporeal creature displacing the ground would have an advantage the incorporeal creature doesn't.
OK, so "hitting while in the ground with total concealment" is not remotely the same thing as "hitting from below."
Also "burrowing" is not necessarily going to allow you to "hit from the ground with concealment". This might work in earth elemental form where you can literally move through the earth, but a medium sized creature "burrowing" in the ground is not going to be something that escapes notice, and if your target can't see you, how can you see your target? If you are concealed from your target by the dirt, then your target would also be concealed from you. Unless you can show me some rule that allows "peeking" through the ground to hit your opponent.
Weird thing to get offended by.
I am sorry I offended.
Using burrow, to gain total concealment, stealth in process, then catch the opponent flat-footed, is a tactic I have seen used.
If it was totally wrong, and so was the players, and DMs I have seen using the tactic, then by all means, show me the error of my ways.
I could actually use that to my advantage.
| Kayerloth |
Adamantine Dragon wrote:Considering Incorporeal creatures still suffer 50% miss chance on their attacks while remaining within objects and a PC is allowed to ready an action to hit them as their attacking appendage exits the ground, I find it hard to believe a physically corporeal creature displacing the ground would have an advantage the incorporeal creature doesn't.blackbloodtroll wrote:Adamantine Dragon wrote:blackbloodtroll wrote:When you hit from below, you catch the opponent flat-footed.Where do you see this BBT? I've not heard this before.Whilst in the ground, you have total concealment.
It makes you effectively invisible.
OK, so "hitting while in the ground with total concealment" is not remotely the same thing as "hitting from below."
Also "burrowing" is not necessarily going to allow you to "hit from the ground with concealment". This might work in earth elemental form where you can literally move through the earth, but a medium sized creature "burrowing" in the ground is not going to be something that escapes notice, and if your target can't see you, how can you see your target? If you are concealed from your target by the dirt, then your target would also be concealed from you. Unless you can show me some rule that allows "peeking" through the ground to hit your opponent.
What BBT is describing sounds much more like Cover than Concealment to me. Line of effect is going to get blocked by the earth.
| Brotato |
Brotato wrote:Adamantine Dragon wrote:Considering Incorporeal creatures still suffer 50% miss chance on their attacks while remaining within objects and a PC is allowed to ready an action to hit them as their attacking appendage exits the ground, I find it hard to believe a physically corporeal creature displacing the ground would have an advantage the incorporeal creature doesn't.
OK, so "hitting while in the ground with total concealment" is not remotely the same thing as "hitting from below."
Also "burrowing" is not necessarily going to allow you to "hit from the ground with concealment". This might work in earth elemental form where you can literally move through the earth, but a medium sized creature "burrowing" in the ground is not going to be something that escapes notice, and if your target can't see you, how can you see your target? If you are concealed from your target by the dirt, then your target would also be concealed from you. Unless you can show me some rule that allows "peeking" through the ground to hit your opponent.
Weird thing to get offended by.
I am sorry I offended.
Using burrow, to gain total concealment, stealth in process, then catch the opponent flat-footed, is a tactic I have seen used.
If it was totally wrong, and so was the players, and DMs I have seen using the tactic, then by all means, show me the error of my ways.
I could actually use that to my advantage.
I don't get offended on the internet BBT, I'm too old. =)
On a conceptual level I actually think you have a solid strategy. The problem is the rules don't play out that way, at least not beyond the first attack. The incorporeal special quality states that
An incorporeal creature inside an object has total cover, but when it attacks a creature outside the object it only has cover, so a creature outside with a readied action could strike at it as it attacks.
The moment a creature's appendage leaves the ground, the creature goes from total to only partial cover. This leaves it open to readied attacks.