3.5 Divine Power and Both ECL and Epic Levels


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The description of the 3.5 version of divine power says, "your base attack bonus becomes equal to your character level." For my epic level characters I've been interpreting "character level" as meaning that you get the same BAB that a fighter of your total class levels plus hit dice would have, meaning that you don't get anything extra at epic levels (since all character classes gets epic attack bonuses equal to +1 every two levels). A character with 20 cleric levels who cast divine power, therefore, got a +5 bonus--the difference between a cleric's BAB at 20th level (+15) and a fighter's BAB at 20th level (+20). This seemed like a fair interpretation, since it's olnly a 4th-level spell and since fighter-types tend to get overshadowed at epic levels by spellcasters anyway.

It occurs to me though that certain creature types, like outsiders, get BAB equal to hit dice even at hit dice in excess of 20, so it wouldn't be completely unreasonable to allow divine power to grant you full BAB equal to your character level. So I'm wondering the following:

1. Do you allow divine power to grant the caster full BAB equal to his character level and if so

2. Do you interpret "character level" as effective character level (ECL) or just class levels plus hit dice?

Thanks!


1. I would replace all the BAB and attack bonus from epic levels of the Cleric with BAB and attack bonus from epic levels of a Fighter of the same level.

2. Character level is the total number of HD (gained from class levels, racial HD and other sources of HD). Level Adjustemnt is not part of character level - it only applies to ECL which is rarely used beyond calculating XP.

BTW: 3.5 has it's own forum section.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

The 3.5 base spells were never designed with Epic in mind. And Epic pretty much did nothing to accomodate them either.


Drejk wrote:

1. I would replace all the BAB and attack bonus from epic levels of the Cleric with BAB and attack bonus from epic levels of a Fighter of the same level.

2. Character level is the total number of HD (gained from class levels, racial HD and other sources of HD). Level Adjustemnt is not part of character level - it only applies to ECL which is rarely used beyond calculating XP.

BTW: 3.5 has it's own forum section.

Thanks, Drejk! Yes, that's how I've been running it, except that you don't need to replace the caster's epic attack bonus with a fighter's epic attack bonus because they're identical. :-)

Where is the 3.5 forum section here at Paizo? I didn't want to upset anyone by posting a 3.5 question in any Pathfinder places.

LazarX wrote:
The 3.5 base spells were never designed with Epic in mind. And Epic pretty much did nothing to accomodate them either.

Yes, Lazar, Wizards introduced epic and then very nearly orphaned it. You can find some epic material in the 3.5 DMG, and in many of the 3.5 expansion books, but it's usually limited to a few feats or a few epic spells. Most of the feats too are just rehashed or revised ELH feats rather than anything new, and for that matter, many of the spells are actually rehashed too.


I'd flag this to have it moved. There's a "games published by other publishers" section IIRC. Otherwise, honestly, PF general.


Gaming -> 3.5/D20/OGL.


Drejk wrote:
Gaming -> 3.5/D20/OGL.

Thanks, Drejk. I wouldn't have guessed that it appeared under Paizo Communities.

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