Hey All,
Just to pile on with Lou's large post a little earlier: I think its also key to remember that Razor Coast is much MORE than an adventure. Its a GIGANTIC combination campaign setting and a huge modular adventure path as well. The content level is astounding. Especially when you consider that it won't really ever play the same way twice.
Hope that entices a few of ye landlubbers to plunge into the crimson waves. :-)
My only concern is pledging $150 for the 2 books (+PDFs) only to find that they are available afterwards at a lesser price (if it funds, of course). If they *won't* be available at a lesser price, then it's all good as is!
The unsigned books will retail after the KS for $100 (before shipping & tax). For the KS pledges, we estimated $95 for the main book, $15 for US shipping & handling, $20 for the signature, and $20 Retail for the player's guide which gave the $150 pledge. So you are getting a better deal on the KS since right off the bat you save $5 on the book, you get it signed, plus if we hit those bonus goals you'll receive those. And now you also get the PDF of Dead Man's Chest.
My only concern is pledging $150 for the 2 books (+PDFs) only to find that they are available afterwards at a lesser price (if it funds, of course). If they *won't* be available at a lesser price, then it's all good as is!The unsigned books will retail after the KS for $100 (before shipping & tax). For the KS pledges, we estimated $95 for the main book, $15 for US shipping & handling, $20 for the signature, and $20 Retail for the player's guide which gave the $150 pledge. So you are getting a better deal on the KS since right off the bat you save $5 on the book, you get it signed, plus if we hit those bonus goals you'll receive those. And now you also get the PDF of Dead Man's Chest.
Thanks - I'm good. :)
However, being a Necro-FGG long-timer, I already have the print and PDF of Dead Man's Chest (and, well, everything else already available). ;)
Take my money already - I need that bonus module. And I so need to finally see this...
Also, I think I'll take the sheets and the PG. :)
We are discussing how to add more content as a base pledge. I have to run all the numbers for cost--as it is it costs about $58/book just in art and printing (that does not account for shipping, damaged/lost books, overhead, maps, editing, taxes, or any of us making any money, nor does it account for the free books and postage we have to send), meaning at 1000 books (the $75k number), we probably cover everything except profit (though after market should make us whole).
If we don't fund, well, we should not have tried to make such an expensive book (and won't make it). I am pretty sure we will get there, but I also want everyone to feel like they got a good deal and it was worth it.
Its absolutely imperitive to me that you guys are happy with what is produced.I would rather not make this book than to have you guys be unhappy.
Maybe we should stay away from color books--they just cost too friggin' much unless you can print 10000 of them. I will not compromise on print and binding quality. It costs a ton extra to go through a textbook manufacturer, but our books won't fall apart under even abnormal use.
That being said--I am pretty sure we can add some material and get the page count up for a few dollars a book--which i think we can afford. Likewise, we may add a few bonus items (can't be free, since they cost us a lot, but we can price them cheap).
I am hearing "CONTENT" as the #1--so lemme see what rabbits I can pull out of my frog hat:)
Thank you for this. This is helpful to get an understanding of the whole process and cost.
For mine as a prepaid person from outside USA ( ie postage conscious) who is interested in adventures and content but not model boats, miniatures, sigmed books and the like I would like to be able to get the new adventure and the players guide. If this didn't add overly to postage I would want them as print but if it did I would want them as PDF 's . But the new adventure seems to require going to the $225 level - if it was available as a reasonably priced add on it may lure me in. Again if I was a dm planning on running this I would convince my players to get pdf's of the players guides each.
Hope that helps.
Maybe we should stay away from color books--they just cost too friggin' much unless you can print 10000 of them. I will not compromise on print and binding quality. It costs a ton extra to go through a textbook manufacturer, but our books won't fall apart under even abnormal use.That being said--I am pretty sure we can add some material and get the page count up for a few dollars a book--which i think we can afford. Likewise, we may add a few bonus items (can't be free, since they cost us a lot, but we can price them cheap).
I am hearing "CONTENT" as the #1--so lemme see what rabbits I can pull out of my frog hat:)
I myself appreciate and willing to pay extra for books at this price that will last the test of time. It is sad to see the cheap manuals fall apart under minimal use from WOTC and PAIZO, but I have to agree that full color may not be the best idea here. Yes, people want content not pretty color pages. I hope it does fund and am looking forward to it as our group has pledged toward it. I am wondering though how many can afford $300-$400 every six months especially for huge campaigns that one wonders if you will ever get to run. After all RA and The Slumbering Tsar should keep our group busy for at least the next several years to come. What I and our group would like to see is content to support what you already have out. How about working on the campaign setting for instance? Or smaller aides for it?
Well, we were going to wait to release this... but since Nick asked so nicely (Sorry Pett my trigger finger got happy)
** spoiler omitted **Could you folks please, please, please put out the guidebook for Reme while you've got Casey at the computer?
Continued success.
Well, we were going to wait to release this... but since Nick asked so nicely (Sorry Pett my trigger finger got happy)
** spoiler omitted **
Well...
At least Richard Pett had NOTHING to do with Razor Coast...
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Nothing, at all...
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Certainly nothing involving a stretch goal...
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That would finally break me, I think...
PETTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! MY NEMESIS! YOU WOULDN'T DARE DABBLE IN MY CAMPAIGN SETTING!
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Or would you, you cad? ;-)
Well, we were going to wait to release this... but since Nick asked so nicely (Sorry Pett my trigger finger got happy)
** spoiler omitted **Well...
At least Richard Pett had NOTHING to do with Razor Coast...
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Nothing, at all...
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Certainly nothing involving a stretch goal...
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That would finally break me, I think...
PETTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! MY NEMESIS! YOU WOULDN'T DARE DABBLE IN MY CAMPAIGN SETTING!
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Or would you, you cad? ;-)
It is only fair to mention that **spoiler omitted** isn't out yet. :-D
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It is only fair to mention that **spoiler omitted** isn't out yet. :-D
Spoiler Omitted sounds like an awesome band name...
I prefer Redacted myself.
Redacted Myself sounds more like a college band.
;)
Well, we were going to wait to release this... but since Nick asked so nicely (Sorry Pett my trigger finger got happy)
** spoiler omitted **Well...
At least Richard Pett had NOTHING to do with Razor Coast...
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Nothing, at all...
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Certainly nothing involving a stretch goal...
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That would finally break me, I think...
PETTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! MY NEMESIS! YOU WOULDN'T DARE DABBLE IN MY CAMPAIGN SETTING!
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Or would you, you cad? ;-)
As if I would sully myself with such a notion...just to prove myself the master of razor coast...
Upped my pledge to add another book and some character pads. I wanted to get a S&W copy but then I remembered one of my friends making the mistake of saying that he wanted to try GMing and maybe doing a pirate themed campaign as something different. So even though it looks like I'm getting a copy as a gift for him, I really have ulterior motives which is ok as I hardly ever get to play as a PC (and I really want to try out a changling witch/gunslinger). Also, I want this thing funded so we can start digging for treasure!
On another note, now that you have Vaughn's "Slumbering Tsar" out and you're working on Logue's (with Lou Agresta) "Razor Coast" any plans to finish this trilogy of terror with an opus from Mr. Pett? A "Pettopus?"
Thanks for pledging John!
NO KICKSTARTERS FOR PETT! NOOOOOOOOO! Why must he have all that is mine! ;-)
Truthfully, I would snatch the chance to back anything from his deranged mind. But don't tell him that. He is a gift to the dark side in us all. Love that crazy Brit.
Well, we were going to wait to release this... but since Nick asked so nicely (Sorry Pett my trigger finger got happy)
** spoiler omitted **
Nice! I hope it comes standard with a typical Pettian insane asylum.
I think I'm wearing out my F5 button :) Already in, but I can't wait to see what else you have in store for my PCs.
Keep your eyes glued for Bill's terrifying news. I have a feeling it will make all gamers very very happy, and make me very very sad. ;-)
As if I would sully myself with such a notion...just to prove myself the master of razor coast...
Keep your mitts off my campaign setting, damn your eyes!
Keep your mitts off my campaign setting, damn your eyes!
As if I would sully myself with such a notion...just to prove myself the master of razor coast...
We don't need color; I'm a dichromat anyway. Just need 50 Shades of Pett.....
And some t'cho t'cho bacon.
OMMMMMMnomnomnomnom!!!!
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So to belabor your question just a bit more, the forthcoming FGG world will comprehensively include Razor Coast, The Blight, Rappan Athuk, Sword of Air, and Slumbering Tsar in one contiguous, consistent setting. (plus Ebon Shroud...plus Carcass...plus The Haunted Hills of Harrowfar...)
Plus don't forget the Northlands Saga, plus all the One Night Stand and Saturday Night Special adventures plus EVERYTHING EVER PREVIOUSLY RELEASED BY NECROMANCER GAMES*.
So, yeah, we're working on that too. ;-)
*Except the Judge's Guild stuff. We do not have the rights to that and the Wilderlands is its own setting anyway.
Is this confirmation that Ebon Shroud is also getting published by FGG?
What about other Sinister Adventures announced products? Still hoping to see the Known Universe stuff!
Oooh very exciting!
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Yes, autographed copies of Alestorm's latest CD! I knew it! In case you're not familiar with them, they're a heavy metal band in the niche musical genre known as "pirate metal". They literally dress as pirates and sing songs about pirates.
No way? You're kidding me! That's almost as hot as Tiny Kiss. Linkify?
If/when Rich and Nick write it, FGG will publish.
Swooooooooooon, get on with it then you two!
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Plus don't forget the Northlands Saga, plus all the One Night Stand and Saturday Night Special adventures plus EVERYTHING EVER PREVIOUSLY RELEASED BY NECROMANCER GAMES*.So, yeah, we're working on that too. ;-)
*Except the Judge's Guild stuff. We do not have the rights to that and the Wilderlands is its own setting anyway.
Well, maybe not Necropolis or the Maze of Zayene or Mesopotamia...
I can pretty easily see Splinters of Faith fitting in, though.
How about working on the campaign setting for instance?Never fear. It's being worked on. In fact, one of the cool things about FGG producing both Razor Coast and Richard Pett's upcoming "The Blight", is that it means that while you can certainly run them as is in your own campaign, they will also canonically be within the same FGG campaign world...along with Slumbering Tsar.
In all of our feature books (and even our little ones) I'm trying to release dribs and drabs of the FGG world setting, and RC is no exception. A close reading will reveal tantalizing clues about the setting that will all fit together when the setting comes out.
In fact, after RC and The Blight, the only big piece of the puzzle left before the campaign setting itself will be Sword of Air, which will reveal A LOT of the campaign world.
So to belabor your question just a bit more, the forthcoming FGG world will comprehensively include Razor Coast, The Blight, Rappan Athuk, Sword of Air, and Slumbering Tsar in one contiguous, consistent setting. (plus Ebon Shroud...plus Carcass...plus The Haunted Hills of Harrowfar...)
Plus don't forget the Northlands Saga, plus all the One Night Stand and Saturday Night Special adventures plus EVERYTHING EVER PREVIOUSLY RELEASED BY NECROMANCER GAMES*.
So, yeah, we're working on that too. ;-)
*Except the Judge's Guild stuff. We do not have the rights to that and the Wilderlands is its own setting anyway.
I understand and appreciate that. And, FYI our group has pledged for Razor Coast so we will be getting it WHEN it gets funded. Yeah, Judges Guild won't let me work on their setting anymore either. I will have to look at the Northlands Saga for inclusion.
Edit: My wife just informed me she has the Northland Saga and is running it in her campaign.
FIFY
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Happy New Year!
You beat me too it ;)
Been spreading this at: ENW and RPG.net. If supporters here have accounts there, come and throw your words of encouragement in the threads, shippers!
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And more sweetness added to the pot: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/froggodgames/razor-coast/posts/
Basically Frank Menzter (of BECMI fame) will write an adventure to go in the book, also the original Sinister Adventures' indulgences will be added too. By authors such as Wolfgang Bauer (Kobold Press), Richard Pett and Nic Logue. "We're adding this material to the Razor Coast Mega-Campaign volume to help take it to an estimated 350 pages for Pathfinder and 280 for Swords & Wizardry."
A big jump up in page count in a colour book!
The First bonus goal, at 80k, is a book with four adventures (by Richard Pett, Owen K Stephens, Gary McBride and Tom Knauss) which will be added free in PDF at $150 pledges, print at 250.
Also in the future is PFRPG and S+W ship-to-ship rules, to use lose lovely pirate ship minis. And Upgrading the Player's Guide to hard cover.
It is a pity this wasn't what was originally put out but hopefully people will come back for a second look!
Avast!
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Hopefully that stuff is correct!
Now you're cookin'!
Pledge increased to $250.
It makes me think too, I am on the 225 (plus added an extra S+W copy), for me another 10 shipping plus 25 for a mini that I won't use is not worth it (my painting skills are complete rubbish). But now it is another book!
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What an amazing update! I was already in hook line and sinker, but this is going to be a helluva set of books. If you've been sitting on the sidelines, its time to get in. Remember, Kickstarters don't hit your card until they fund and the stretch goals don't start showing up until it kicks. Now to convince Mrs. Lane to let me up my pledge...
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Pett has his hooks in my Razor! ;-)
Glad that cat's out of the bag - oh yes, much goodness for ye mighty pledgers. Pett, even. Evil, insidious Pett!
We don't need color; I'm a dichromat anyway. Just need 50 Shades of Pett.....Keep your mitts off my campaign setting, damn your eyes!
As if I would sully myself with such a notion...just to prove myself the master of razor coast...
No color of this world, at least!
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Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!
I must say, Angry Waters is very cool...and those updates are awesome.
I wonder if we can get a snipet of one or two places up, I'll pray to the Frog God.
Mnaaaaaaaar
A little over halfway there! Things are looking up! We need more o that special rum found from that rowdy pirate captain from.. Carcass, of all places! Pass it around to get more donors. ; )