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In your opinion.
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I agree with Mark; Bjorn, it's just your opinion. One apparently not shared by all and certainly not by half the viewing audience.
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Probably not but some of us figured it was a good idea to clarify that for people that don't know you.
I'm no longer convinced there is such a thing as objective truth.
Greenie,
Yep. I've seen those guys. Which is why I'm no longer convinced. If only because it seems like such things should be...aren't.
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Kind of off-topic, but kind of not: Stephen Amell will be competing on "American Ninja Warrior" this week. No, he does not compete in costume.
Tar,
It's not THAT off topic. But I had hoped he might sport a Green Arrow T-shirt while competing...
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If he doesn't stomp the one where you hop the bars around I will be upset.
I think that's the Salmon Ladder but I could be wrong, Vid.
Also I'm sure he will.
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Jeers to Arrow for empty "suspense" in the last seconds of the season finale.
Oh, gosh! Did they really just kill off their entire supporting cast?!? However will I stand the suspense until next Fall?!?
Lame.
Compared to Supergirl and Flash this was a pretty lackluster finale.
So glad the flashbacks are over with. In the finale they completely killed the tension of the present day fight scenes.
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There is actually a reason that shows will often end a season with 'everyone could be dead' scenarios. Beyond the obvious 'cliffhanger to get the audience to come back', there is this thing called contract negotiations.
Arrow was originally planned as a five year show. Thus, it seems likely that many of the actors have contracts expiring this year. So, suppose Willa Holland asks for more money than they are willing to pay... oh, so sad... everyone except Thea made it to safety in time.
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CB has a good point. I didn't see the cliffhanger as "OMG did everyone die", but as "OMG, who died?" Regardless of contract negotiations, they could kill off someone for narrative reasons. I'm guessing that since Katie Cassidy is confirmed to be a regular again next season, that the new Black Canary (who's name escapes me) might be killed - since who needs 2 sonic scream meta Black Canaries?
Also, I'm thinking that William's mom is likely dead, making Oliver having to deal with being a full time dad, on top of being mayor and Green Arrow.
Yeah I suspect William's mom is dead, because that leads to more storylines for next season. And Slade might be dead just because Deathstroke is going to (probably?) be in the DCU.
Strangely enough Wild Dawg and Lance are the characters I am actually most concerned about, since pairing those characters up was one of the best decisions Arrow has made. Would never thought that at the beginning of Season 5.
Joel,
No one knows for sure but some rumors are it's clearly someone that knows the city and has access to some pretty swank tech along with tactical training.
As for the ending? Honestly Arrow's ending doesn't bother me any more since I have to CARE about characters to feel bad about it. This isn't the show we started with. So...yeah.
Flash's ending ANNOYED the hell out of me more than this.
Supergirl's ending was more inspiring and uplifting than either of them.
As for who is actually dead? Well obviously since Jack Barrowman isn't in Arrowverse, Malcolm is dead. Whether or not Slade is...harder to say.
Joel,
No one knows for sure but some rumors are it's clearly someone that knows the city and has access to some pretty swank tech along with tactical training.
As for the ending? Honestly Arrow's ending doesn't bother me any more since I have to CARE about characters to feel bad about it. This isn't the show we started with. So...yeah.
Flash's ending ANNOYED the hell out of me more than this.
Supergirl's ending was more inspiring and uplifting than either of them.
As for who is actually dead? Well obviously since Jack Barrowman isn't in Arrowverse, Malcolm is dead. Whether or not Slade is...harder to say.
Ohhhh I don't write Malcolm off yet. He's way to liked to be killed off-screen like that. I'm sure he could have shielded himself with one of those grunt soldiers and him and Boomerang live to fight again.
And if not... then THAT is what will annoy me. If even half of these long established rogue characters die... then this episode was WAY too much a bloodbath for a shared universe. Throwing Deathstroke, Boomerang, and Merlin on the same pyre is just... bad.
As for ARGUS... I feel bad for the one guy who seemed to be doing his job keeping Slade captive who undoubtedly was killed for his trouble...
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Ohhhh I don't write Malcolm off yet. He's way to liked to be killed off-screen like that. I'm sure he could have shielded himself with one of those grunt soldiers and him and Boomerang live to fight again.
Really, Merlyn is the most likely to have died there. But he is called 'the Magician,' so he might still have a trick left up his sleeve...
That sort of off-screen explosion situation is just the sort of thing that would typically lead to Boomerang showing up again with some facial scarring, and a story about how he *almost* died.
As for the others, naw, we didn't see bodies, and practically the last thing Felicity said was humblebragging about her and Mr. Terrific having fiddy-jillion-made-up-number IQ between them, so it would be kind of a Chekov's-gun-fail for them not to think up something clever just in the nick of time.
Like; "Hey, we don't have to disarm *all* the bombs on the island, just this one right next to us!"
Even Wild Dog could think of that!
As for ARGUS... I feel bad for the one guy who seemed to be doing his job keeping Slade captive who undoubtedly was killed for his trouble...
Well, yeah, him, and the two that were left unconscious in the building that we clearly saw was rigged to blow (Black Siren and Talia al-Ghul, neither of whom I expect to be dead, because they are both kind of plots-in-waiting), and the one that was left in a steel cage, in the middle of the woods (What's her name, Evelyn Sharpe?, who will, at best, die of dehydration, even if she isn't close to any bombs).
Really, the only guaranteed deaths are Chase, and the ninja NPCs that showed up with Talia. (They must get those guys on the cheap, because even people like Diggle and Rene can kick their butts in hand to hand *when they have swords,* and they fall over almost as fast as Hand ninja who've just heard 'shnikt').
Ohhhh I don't write Malcolm off yet. He's way to liked to be killed off-screen like that. I'm sure he could have shielded himself with one of those grunt soldiers and him and Boomerang live to fight again.And if not... then THAT is what will annoy me. If even half of these long established rogue characters die... then this episode was WAY too much a bloodbath for a shared universe. Throwing Deathstroke, Boomerang, and Merlin on the same pyre is just... bad.
As for ARGUS... I feel bad for the one guy who seemed to be doing his job keeping Slade captive who undoubtedly was killed for his trouble...
Well...Barrowman has said he won't be in any CWverse shows next year, so it seems likely that if Merlin DID survive we won't find out in season 6.
Boomerang I think is dead just because the WB has historically not liked Arrow/Flash using characters that are going to be used in the movies. Although Supergirl at least seems to suggest they are relaxing that. Too bad because I like his actor, who is a reoccurring character on The Expanse and also was pretty decent on Person of Interest.
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Boomerang I think is dead just because the WB has historically not liked Arrow/Flash using characters that are going to be used in the movies. Although Supergirl at least seems to suggest they are relaxing that. Too bad because I like his actor, who is a reoccurring character on The Expanse and also was pretty decent on Person of Interest.
[tangent] Also treacherously fun in Spartacus, where he also worked with Manu Bennet/Deathstroke. (Every time his character would slide in from the shadows, there'd be a background sound of a snake hissing or rattling or something. It was very cool. Nobody else got their own identifying sound effect!) [/tangent]
MMC is correct, Barrowman said "N more CWverse" So...I'm kind of inclined to think Merlyn is dead.
Boomer is probably dead, but Deathstroke...MIGHT survive. He's pretty resourceful.
The only reason I would really think that Merlyn WAS dead... was that his character didn't really have anywhere else to go. He's been Evil. He's been good. He jumped ship and terrorized the Legends, He's been Ra's and now made a final sacrifice for Thea...
Anything else they did with him would be... redundant. He's outstayed his welcome... the only thing left is to join team arrow and he'd just dominate the show then.
So yeah... he May be gone for good, but I still think Merlyn could have gotten out of that trap. And of course there is always alternate universe Merlyns... maybe someone who is NOT Thea's dad...
Phantom,
I think we've had enough of alternate reality people with just Black Siren. I mean Flash can do it because...well they keep killing off Wells!
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The only reason I would really think that Merlyn WAS dead... was that his character didn't really have anywhere else to go. He's been Evil. He's been good. He jumped ship and terrorized the Legends, He's been Ra's and now made a final sacrifice for Thea...
Anything else they did with him would be... redundant. He's outstayed his welcome... the only thing left is to join team arrow and he'd just dominate the show then.
So yeah... he May be gone for good, but I still think Merlyn could have gotten out of that trap. And of course there is always alternate universe Merlyns... maybe someone who is NOT Thea's dad...
Merlyn ain't dead.
He's the Magician.
If anybody can pull the mine out from his foot and toss it at the bad guys quick enough to make it out, it's him.
Yakman,
Yeah...no. He dead.
Joel,
Maybe but I'm kind of not expecting to see him in Arrow...if ever. Mostly because I think he's grown tired of doing that character.
I could be wrong.
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Joel,
Maybe but I'm kind of not expecting to see him in Arrow...if ever. Mostly because I think he's grown tired of doing that character.
I could be wrong.
I hear you, but I he's also a pretty big fanboy overall. So when series finale time comes, and they want to pull out all of the stops, I think he'll show up.
Joel,
You're probably right.
Green,
Well it wouldn't be much of a show without SOME kind of archer guy...
Well I mean Ollie's actor has already been talking about next season, so I would be uh...pretty shocked if he wasn't coming back :)
Bjorn,
Does your version have a missing arm?
Greenie,
Batfleck isn't my favorite version...
But I do agree they need to stop writing Green Arrow as Batman.
There is a chance Merlyn could come back. Don't forget about the Lazarus Pits. If anyone could plan ahead to be brought to life in one it's Merlyn.