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Frankly I dont see the need to lie to kids

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That's great! You can also use the death penalty to stop rebellious kids according to this republican senator:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-d eath-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html.

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Frankly I don't see a reason to tell kids the truth.


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I never lie to my kids. Yes, this constantly puts me at odds with my wife when I tell them "Santa Claus is just a story."


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yellowdingo wrote:
Frankly I dont see the need to lie to kids

While I agree with your overall thought I found this article kind of dumb.


The three big lies: Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and God.

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meatrace wrote:
The three big lies: Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and God.

What is one More..."Psst! Hey Kid wanna hear about Democracy?"


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danielc wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Frankly I dont see the need to lie to kids
While I agree with your overall thought I found this article kind of dumb.

This.


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I don't believe in children. They're all really goblins and we've been tricked into accommodating them.


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I try not to lie to my children. And yes, that means I don't do Santa. Not doing Christmas (I follow other traditions) helps with that one. All lying is going to do is make them bitter and resentful towards me when they do learn the truth of things, and you know what? I'm gonna make enough mistakes on my own to make them bitter and resentful towards me, I don't need any help from lying.

That doesn't mean I give them the unvarnished truth, either. I spin things like a political pro (yes, you need to go to bed now so you can play games tomorrow...and so Daddy cam keep his marbles in the bag), gloss over the truth (why do mummy and daddy have no clothes on? We're...warm. yes. Very warm) and, occasionally, employ distraction techniques(why isn't the pet rat moving? Well, uh, I think you need to go see Mummy about having cake!) because there are somethings kids don't need to deal with. They're kids, after all.


A few months ago, a nine year old daughter of my friends emntioned that she saw Santa with her father. I admit I was baffled how to react because I didn't want to contradict her parents on that so I refrained from commenting. This however, triggered me to think about it - I do not recall the moment when I learned that Santa is not real. I have a vague memories of being aware that Santa presents from Santa are brought by parents/grandparents in quite young age. I even dared to rummage through the mothers wardrobe looking for presents.

I also don't recall any other outrageous lies told by my parents or grandparents (aside that often repeated god-thing) but I might just forgot them. Even "it won't hurt" about shots wasn't greatly shocking to me - I was very very young when I got my first shot so I somewhat got used that some folks say that it won't hurt despite it hurting. It was mixed with versions "it will sting a bit" which I was more willing to accept.

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So glad I don't have kids.


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Pff. I love the fact my parents lied to me about Santa; sure, it was sort of tough when I found out the truth, but I really enjoyed the whole thing. I have nothing but good memories.

I'm so lying to my kids about that. Same with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy (though around here, it's the Tooth Mouse).


We shouldn't lie to anyone, but we do, don't we.

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I don't.


Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Pff. I love the fact my parents lied to me about Santa; sure, it was sort of tough when I found out the truth, but I really enjoyed the whole thing. I have nothing but good memories.

You don't have to lie about Santa to give and enjoy presents. I have enjoyed getting presents despite knowing that Santa is only a name for a custom, not real person.

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It's okay to lie to Stevie Nicks.


Klaus van der Kroft wrote:

Pff. I love the fact my parents lied to me about Santa; sure, it was sort of tough when I found out the truth, but I really enjoyed the whole thing. I have nothing but good memories.

I'm so lying to my kids about that. Same with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy (though around here, it's the Tooth Mouse).

Don't forget god! You're definitely going to perpetuate the lie that god exists! I know you too well...

For me, when Santa was revealed to be a lie, it was a weird way. My crazy religious grandmother (Lutheran) couldn't stand us worshipping a false god and told us the REAL story of Santa Claus, or rather St. Nicholas. My parents didn't approve of the curtain being pulled back.

And I was just like "I still get the presents though, right?" Yes. Yes I still got the presents. That's all that matters. That's all that ever mattered. Nobody gives a crap. It wasn't fun, it was dumb.

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It's okay to lie to Stevie Nicks.

Oh that's good. I wonder how many will get that. <3 that album.


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Drejk wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Pff. I love the fact my parents lied to me about Santa; sure, it was sort of tough when I found out the truth, but I really enjoyed the whole thing. I have nothing but good memories.
You don't have to lie about Santa to give and enjoy presents. I have enjoyed getting presents despite knowing that Santa is only a name for a custom, not real person.

It's not really about the presents, but the whole Santa thing. I enjoyed the fantasy involved, and I want my kids to do so too.

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Don't forget god! You're definitely going to perpetuate the lie that god exists! I know you too well...

Well, since I actually believe God is real, I'm not sure if I'd be technically lying, even in the case that He didn't exist. In order to lie, you need to know you are being contrary to the truth. If the case ends up like in your belief structure -there being no God-, then I'd be commiting a mistake, but not exactly a lie, I think.

But yeah, those kids are getting Catholic'ed up either way. I mean, both my parents are agnostic, and I got baptized anyway.

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Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
It's not really about the presents, but the whole Santa thing. I enjoyed the fantasy involved, and I want my kids to do so too.

Yeah, same here. It wasn't about the gift, it was the concept behind it all. I didn't really care about the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy though.


Klaus van der Kroft wrote:


But yeah, those kids are getting Catholic'ed up either way. I mean, both my parents are agnostic, and I got baptized anyway.

I was never baptized, and it made all the difference. My father is lutheran and my mother was raised catholic. I went to catholic school. But my mother always made it clear that religion is a path you choose, not something you're born into. It's not hereditary. If you at all feel the same way, and feel that the merits of your religion stand on their own, I encourage you to encourage critical thought and options for your children, not indoctrination.

FWIW you seem like one of the good ones.


Plus beards in my family tend to grow very long, very smooth and very white, so I plan to eventually let mine grow enough to look like Santa, perhaps after I turn 50.

Santa beards are the coolest beards I can think of.


meatrace wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:


But yeah, those kids are getting Catholic'ed up either way. I mean, both my parents are agnostic, and I got baptized anyway.

I was never baptized, and it made all the difference. My father is lutheran and my mother was raised catholic. I went to catholic school. But my mother always made it clear that religion is a path you choose, not something you're born into. It's not hereditary. If you at all feel the same way, and feel that the merits of your religion stand on their own, I encourage you to encourage critical thought and options for your children, not indoctrination.

FWIW you seem like one of the good ones.

I agree with you. I don't really worry about that issue because I feel the way I was raised into Catholicism was all about critical thought and option. I may be mistaken, of course, but my personal experience was pretty good on that aspect and I have always felt that me being Catholic has always been my choice (or better said, what I feel is the expression of me realising I believe in God).

Despite the attempts of some fellow Christians to make it seem otherwise (and from your other posts, I understand you have to put up with that constantly), Catholicism doesn't really make sense if you force it on people, for indoctrination stands on the opposite end of faith.

As laughable as Theology seems to most people who don't believe in God, it really is about using reason to understand faith. And Catholicism is kind of pretty hardcore on the whole Theology business.


Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Despite the attempts of some fellow Christians to make it seem otherwise (and from your other posts, I understand you have to put up with that constantly), Catholicism doesn't really make sense if you force it on people, for indoctrination stands on the opposite end of faith.

And the attempts of many Catholics now and even more so throughout history.


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You know, come to think of it, the kid who told me that Santa Claus wasn't real was the same kid who introduced me to Dungeons and Dragons...

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My dad and Catholicism didn't mix too well (back in the days they spoke Latin at service). I know he at least once fainted while in line to confess his sins because he was scared/nervous. When he was 14, his father died and he took that opportunity to inform his mother that he would no longer be attending service. This equated to Sundays off for me growing up. :)


thejeff wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Despite the attempts of some fellow Christians to make it seem otherwise (and from your other posts, I understand you have to put up with that constantly), Catholicism doesn't really make sense if you force it on people, for indoctrination stands on the opposite end of faith.
And the attempts of many Catholics now and even more so throughout history.

Aye, that's what I said. Catholics are Christians too.

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