Just wanted to know if anyone knows of a way to use a Dagger in a flurry of blows, through perhaps a feat or archetype that would allow the dagger to be treated as a monk weapon for the flurry ?
Was trying to come up with a way to use a 2 level dip in Spellblade Magus for a force athame and then use a force dagger to make all the flurry attacks with for some chunky force damage
so basically 3 class multiclass at the moment, unless I find an alternate source of channel energy
Depending on how RAW you play that may or may not work. What with needing two weapons to flurry with.
where does it say you need to use 2 weapons to flurry ?
where does it say you need to use 2 weapons to flurry ?
The devs have been quite clear on that a while back.
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Consider a monk of the empty hand (APG). They can flurry with anything.
where does it say you need to use 2 weapons to flurry ?The devs have been quite clear on that a while back.
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Consider a monk of the empty hand (APG). They can flurry with anything.
You can just ignore the stupid errata, though.
Enchant the dagger and add the 'transformative' property to it, then morph it into a nunchuk.
Enchant the dagger and add the 'transformative' property to it, then morph it into a nunchuk.
the Athame is not a real dagger you can't enchant it like a normal weapon, it only lasts 1 minute per use
where does it say you need to use 2 weapons to flurry ?The devs have been quite clear on that a while back.
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Consider a monk of the empty hand (APG). They can flurry with anything.
but would they still be doing force damage with The spellblade athame if they're using it improvised ?
Still an object of pure force, and as such, would deal Force damage.
mmm that would get around the cleric requirment, and base damage doesn't change still 1d4, damage type blugening instead of pericing is irrelevant since force dmg trumps you just lose the 19-20 crit range, which if I'm not mistaken you can get back with improvised weapons feats ?
acutally its quite a bit better with Ki weapons allowing you to do your unarmed damage with improvised weapon so you could get quite a decent base die for force damage. Magus get enlarge person to bump that die further
mmmm a plan is forming
Heh this is kinda turning into the Soulknife ;)
Even though the Soulknife was utterly terrible in the long run.
Force Athame starts life as a +1 weapon
Arcane pool ups that to a +2 weapon
Ki weapons at 11th then ups that further to a potential +5 with an additonal +3 bonus
so not being able to enchant the force blade is actually not a problem either
Although as an improvised weapon I assume it would lose its base +1 bonus but the arcane pool and ki weapons should stack on top normally for +4
There is a full Expanded Psionics for Pathfinder.
3rd party, but more or less, a straight conversion of the 3.5 book.
heh it was not my intention to make a soulknife :P just seems to have turned out that way. not looking to use 3rd party stuff
There is a full Expanded Psionics for Pathfinder.
3rd party, but more or less, a straight conversion of the 3.5 book.
Well, they did do a fair amount of work on getting it up to Pathfinder standards. Their take on the soulknife is pretty legitimately scary.
A less complicated way is to take the Sohei Monk archetype. At level 6, take Weapon Training in thrown weapons. Dagger is included in that list, and you can then flurry with it.
But then, you need at least 6 levels of Monk, which may not be what you were looking for.
That would delay the build until 8th level which isn't a deal breaker because the benefits of force damage won't start to kick in until most monster start presenting with DR and energy resist, although you might get the odd creature around 5-7th that force would have been really nice against.
I'm just considering if there's any benefit of doing this with sohei over a monk of the open hand. I mean Open hand can improve dagger base die from 1d4 to their current unarmed dmg which is going to make it alot more potent. Sohei is locked into 1d4 dmg.
I saw a post made by JJ that monk of the open hand don't get to use the magical enchantments of a weapon when improvised, however the athame is pure force and doesn't have a non-magical component, so I guess would still work?
Is there a reason it needs to be a dagger? A sai is a pretty close alternative which canbeusedin FoB
Is there a reason it needs to be a dagger? A sai is a pretty close alternative which canbeusedin FoB
Yes
Magus Spellbalde archtype
create a Force Athame in your hand this is treated as a dagger that deals force damage
the whole point is to do a flurry of force damage :)
any further thoughts ?
Flurry is basically TWF with a Full BAB and all the feats thrown in. Just play a Magus Spellblade and carry a dagger in your other hand. You are less MAD, and you will have higher level spells to spend on your Athame to make it stronger. You will find that up through about level 11 or 12 you will have close to the same amount of melee power but you will have a considerable amount of spellcasting power available to you if you remain a Magus. The lower level attacks don't hit as often anyway, so they are not as big of a deal as some make them out to be. At higher levels, just casting Haste will not only give you more damage, but your entire party as well.
If you want more fun flavor with it, you can add extra archetypes together. A Bladebound Spellblade would be cool with a intelligent weapon in one hand and a force weapon in the other, A Kensai might be cool as well for a more oriental feel.
Flurry is basically TWF with a Full BAB and all the feats thrown in. Just play a Magus Spellblade and carry a dagger in your other hand. You are less MAD, and you will have higher level spells to spend on your Athame to make it stronger. You will find that up through about level 11 or 12 you will have close to the same amount of melee power but you will have a considerable amount of spellcasting power available to you if you remain a Magus. The lower level attacks don't hit as often anyway, so they are not as big of a deal as some make them out to be. At higher levels, just casting Haste will not only give you more damage, but your entire party as well.
If you want more fun flavor with it, you can add extra archetypes together. A Bladebound Spellblade would be cool with a intelligent weapon in one hand and a force weapon in the other, A Kensai might be cool as well for a more oriental feel.
except only half your attacks would be force attacks that way.
Even though the Soulknife was utterly terrible in the long run.
Actually the re-v amped soulknife by DSP is pretty good. Not overpowered (although some prototypes were) but reasonable as a 'psionic fighter'.
except only half your attacks would be force attacks that way.Flurry is basically TWF with a Full BAB and all the feats thrown in. Just play a Magus Spellblade and carry a dagger in your other hand. You are less MAD, and you will have higher level spells to spend on your Athame to make it stronger. You will find that up through about level 11 or 12 you will have close to the same amount of melee power but you will have a considerable amount of spellcasting power available to you if you remain a Magus. The lower level attacks don't hit as often anyway, so they are not as big of a deal as some make them out to be. At higher levels, just casting Haste will not only give you more damage, but your entire party as well.
If you want more fun flavor with it, you can add extra archetypes together. A Bladebound Spellblade would be cool with a intelligent weapon in one hand and a force weapon in the other, A Kensai might be cool as well for a more oriental feel.
yeah, and the other half would be whatever you wanted (enchanted your legit dagger with) to be. worried about ghost/incorporeals? get ghost touch or brilliant energy. enemy resistances? have the bard give you sonic damage. not sure if there's a weapon enchant for sonic or force damage.
except only half your attacks would be force attacks that way.It would be that way regardless. You can't flurry with the same weapon as both main-hand and off-hand so unless you are able to get two force daggers, you're going to be stuck with force-dagger + alternate weapon in any case.
Actually that's still in debate at the moment, pending the long-awaited Monk Fix. Whether you can flurry with one weapon or two depends therefore upon your GM, though this will almost certainly change at some point.
Lets just assume for the purpose of this thread that you can flurry with a single weapon. ;)
to me monk doing a flurry with temple sword seems very iconic
Actually that's still in debate at the moment, pending the long-awaited Monk Fix. Whether you can flurry with one weapon or two depends therefore upon your GM, though this will almost certainly change at some point.except only half your attacks would be force attacks that way.It would be that way regardless. You can't flurry with the same weapon as both main-hand and off-hand so unless you are able to get two force daggers, you're going to be stuck with force-dagger + alternate weapon in any case.
It's not in debate. You can't flurry with a single weapon - period.
What you mean to say is that you are waiting for the Devs to come out of thier stupor for the bad call they made. It's not the same thing as a debate.
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Actually that's still in debate at the moment, pending the long-awaited Monk Fix. Whether you can flurry with one weapon or two depends therefore upon your GM, though this will almost certainly change at some point.except only half your attacks would be force attacks that way.It would be that way regardless. You can't flurry with the same weapon as both main-hand and off-hand so unless you are able to get two force daggers, you're going to be stuck with force-dagger + alternate weapon in any case.It's not in debate. You can't flurry with a single weapon - period.
What you mean to say is that you are waiting for the Devs to come out of thier stupor for the bad call they made. It's not the same thing as a debate.
No. Until there is a Published FAQ or Errata it is ultimately a GM call as to whether they take developer comments as corrections to printed text. You are just arguing RAW vs. RAI.
Whatever helps you sleep at night :)
Whatever helps you sleep at night :)
I bet he sleeps just fine ;)