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Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say
I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.
My 2 CP.
something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.

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NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Melee
don't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.

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Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say
I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.
My 2 CP.
I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.

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Senate's Elevator Operators Cost $1.2 Million
this is quite misleading- the operator makes about 45k a year. Poorly written and I'd bet a years supply of donuts that if they fired the operators this story would be about big government killing jobs.

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Freehold DM wrote:I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.Bitter Thorn wrote:something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say
I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.
My 2 CP.
if I'm reading the article correctly, then he had already taken hostages- I'm thinking he was unhinged in some way. Its a damn shame they killed him, but I don't think they were wrong in doing so.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Meleedon't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.
I think it's all part of deep culture of corruption in the NYPD, but I have a number of biases on this issue that tend to compound.

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Freehold DM wrote:I think it's all part of deep culture of corruption in the NYPD, but I have a number of biases on this issue that tend to compound.Bitter Thorn wrote:NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Meleedon't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.
I don't think its just the cops. Someone somewhere screwed the pooch. I don't even necessarily buy how this whole thing started.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:Senate's Elevator Operators Cost $1.2 Millionthis is quite misleading- the operator makes about 45k a year. Poorly written and I'd bet a years supply of donuts that if they fired the operators this story would be about big government killing jobs.
I have to agree that the article is poorly written and unclear, but I doubt this site would cry about the loss of these jobs. ;)

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Freehold DM wrote:I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:if I'm reading the article correctly, then he had already taken hostages- I'm thinking he was unhinged in some way. Its a damn shame they killed him, but I don't think they were wrong in doing so.Freehold DM wrote:I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.Bitter Thorn wrote:something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say
I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.
My 2 CP.
I tend to think that a patient approach would have been better, but this could be suicide by cop for all I know.
I suspect this is part of the trend of more aggressive militant police enforcement, but that's pure speculation on my part.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.Freehold DM wrote:I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
Fair enough.
I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.

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Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.Freehold DM wrote:I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.Fair enough.
I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.
I'm quite sure we will but that's not obamacares fault or anyone's other than the people trying to scam others. If someone defrauds another, you can't hold what they used to defraud them with at fault for simply existing- otherwise we all woulfd have sued the nigerian royal family by now

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Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.Freehold DM wrote:I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.Fair enough.
I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.
And I guarantee you that 'traditional' tax cheating and avoidance will cost more then undeserved ACA subsidies.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:And I guarantee you that 'traditional' tax cheating and avoidance will cost more then undeserved ACA subsidies.Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.Freehold DM wrote:I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.Bitter Thorn wrote:Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennesseenot sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.Fair enough.
I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.
I definitely think our current tax system is a disaster, but that hardly makes Obamacare good.

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Michael Carey, Air Force General In Charge Of Nuclear Missiles, To Be Fired Over 'Loss Of Trust'
Our government still has the power to exterminate all human life; these revelations are always comforting.

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The United Nations has appealed for more troops and equipment for its peacekeeping force in Mali.
Another UN intervention.
*facepalm*

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4 On Your Side investigates traffic stop nightmare
Multiple anal violations without a valid search warrant with hospital support!

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4 On Your Side reveals another traffic stop nightmare
This is not an isolated incident.
Welcome to the US drug war.
Tell me again how we don't live in a police state?

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Imprisoned Pussy Riot member's husband complains of no contact with wife for 17 days
This could never happen here, right?!