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Official: Forged documents used in prison break from Fla. prison


Pennsylvania Police Department Claims Departmental Policy Forbids Them From Being Recorded in Public


NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Melee


Utah Won't Disclose Records On Police Militarization


Obamacare Marketplace: Personal Data Can Be Used For ‘Law Enforcement and Audit Activities’


A staffer accidentally sent confidential information to a broker, including Social Security numbers of 2,400 insurance agents.


Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee


A jury convicted Kilpatrick of 24 counts of bribery, extortion, racketeering, fraud and tax evasion in March after a trial that lasted more than five months.


Bobby Ferguson sentenced to 21 years in prison
Judge: Friend of ex-Detroit mayor had stranglehold on city contracting


Senate's Elevator Operators Cost $1.2 Million



Home> Shutdown Rebels Defying Federal Orders to Close


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say

I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.

I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.

My 2 CP.

something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.


$174,000 to a Senator’s Widow and Other Surprises in the Fiscal Compromise Bill


Facebook photo of school principal appearing to grab student in chokehold leads to students’ suspension


Bitter Thorn wrote:
NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Melee

don't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee

not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say

I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.

I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.

My 2 CP.

something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.

I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Senate's Elevator Operators Cost $1.2 Million

this is quite misleading- the operator makes about 45k a year. Poorly written and I'd bet a years supply of donuts that if they fired the operators this story would be about big government killing jobs.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say

I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.

I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.

My 2 CP.

something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.
I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.

if I'm reading the article correctly, then he had already taken hostages- I'm thinking he was unhinged in some way. Its a damn shame they killed him, but I don't think they were wrong in doing so.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Melee
don't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.

I think it's all part of deep culture of corruption in the NYPD, but I have a number of biases on this issue that tend to compound.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
NYPD Internal Affairs Officer Admits To Being On Scene During Biker Melee
don't get me started on this one. As you know I'm a nyer, from the moment this story hit the press everyone who lived here knew something was up. No cops for six full minutes on the west side highway? Impossible. Cops chase bikers for the easy tickets, and iirc this was the start of the month- ticket quotas must be met. Both sides lawyered up quickly, and there were already two people they thought were the people responsible that were released. There's a lot wrong here on every side. I don't think the guy should have been beaten up, and I don't think he should have run people over either and I don't think the cop(s) there should have turned a blind eye.
I think it's all part of deep culture of corruption in the NYPD, but I have a number of biases on this issue that tend to compound.

I don't think its just the cops. Someone somewhere screwed the pooch. I don't even necessarily buy how this whole thing started.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.

I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Senate's Elevator Operators Cost $1.2 Million
this is quite misleading- the operator makes about 45k a year. Poorly written and I'd bet a years supply of donuts that if they fired the operators this story would be about big government killing jobs.

I have to agree that the article is poorly written and unclear, but I doubt this site would cry about the loss of these jobs. ;)

Liberty's Edge

Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.

But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.


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But..but...the email said he was a prince!


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas, authorities say

I don't see how this one is folly on the part of the government. He fired first, and when you fire on cops, you go down, regardless of age.

I think they could have tried to wait a 107 year old with no hostages out for a little while.

My 2 CP.

something about this story sounds off. Either the police are lying or this wa s one of the best put together centenarians on the planet. I lean towards bt, but if this is the truth, then I'm sorry bt, you can't fire on police multiple times and have them be okay with it when they've tried two nonlethal methods.
I'm not implying that it's OK to shoot at cops or anyone else for no reason. I just don't see why they couldn't have tried securing the house and waiting him out. He is a 107 years old. How long could he have held out? There may have been a compelling public safety reason to kill him that I'm not aware of, but I'm not seeing it.
if I'm reading the article correctly, then he had already taken hostages- I'm thinking he was unhinged in some way. Its a damn shame they killed him, but I don't think they were wrong in doing so.

I tend to think that a patient approach would have been better, but this could be suicide by cop for all I know.

I suspect this is part of the trend of more aggressive militant police enforcement, but that's pure speculation on my part.


Krensky wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.
But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.

Fair enough.

I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.
But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.

Fair enough.

I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.

I'm quite sure we will but that's not obamacares fault or anyone's other than the people trying to scam others. If someone defrauds another, you can't hold what they used to defraud them with at fault for simply existing- otherwise we all woulfd have sued the nigerian royal family by now


Putin Protester Sent to Psychiatric Care by Court, Lawyer Says

Liberty's Edge

Bitter Thorn wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.
But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.

Fair enough.

I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.

And I guarantee you that 'traditional' tax cheating and avoidance will cost more then undeserved ACA subsidies.


Top NY Court Agrees to Hear Bloomberg's Large Soda Ban Appeal
A judge struck down Mayor Bloomberg's ban in March

Why are we still wasting tax dollars on this stupidity?


Krensky wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Reports of Obamacare fraud emerge in Tennessee
not sure this belongs here- fraud is on the part of the shysters, not the government, although I understand if you are no fan of the aca.
I think massive government programs tend to invite fraud and waste from Medicare to the pentagon, but I tend to think Obamacare will go particularly badly.
But it's not really Obamacare fraud. It's con artists taking advantage of the uninformed and trusting. You see it with all sorts of things, government related or not. This is no different than spam fishing, nigerian check cashing, or any other fraud.

Fair enough.

I think we will see a lot more direct Obamacare fraud, but time will tell.

And I guarantee you that 'traditional' tax cheating and avoidance will cost more then undeserved ACA subsidies.

I definitely think our current tax system is a disaster, but that hardly makes Obamacare good.


No idea. There are a lot of people here who think bloomy did it (started a ban) to make money off it in the long run (I.e. bought stock in soda companies).


Freehold DM wrote:
No idea. There are a lot of people here who think bloomy did it (started a ban) to make money off it in the long run (I.e. bought stock in soda companies).

I tend to think that he's an authoritarian fascist douche, but I still this this is a stupendous waste of tax money.


Feds Sued for Hiding NSA Spying From Terror Defendants


NSA, CIA collaborate on drone strikes, report says
CIA-operated drone campaign relies heavily on NSA's ability to vacuum up enormous quantities of email and phone data


Michael Carey, Air Force General In Charge Of Nuclear Missiles, To Be Fired Over 'Loss Of Trust'

Our government still has the power to exterminate all human life; these revelations are always comforting.


The United Nations has appealed for more troops and equipment for its peacekeeping force in Mali.

Another UN intervention.

*facepalm*


Slavery still grips tens of millions worldwide, report says


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"How Do You Justify Killing a Grandmother?" Amnesty Says U.S. Drone Strikes May Be War Crimes

"Prisoners of Profit": Despite Widespread Abuse, Private Juvenile Jail Firm Expands Empire

"Cash for Kids": Firms Behind Juvenile Prison Bribes Reach $2.5 Million Settlement in Civil Suit

Fun stuff.


Police Launch Internal Affairs Probe After Couple’s Outfest Arrest
Caught on camera, man can be heard screaming “help me” as a police officer appears to hold him to the ground by the neck


UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000


4 On Your Side investigates traffic stop nightmare

Multiple anal violations without a valid search warrant with hospital support!


4 On Your Side reveals another traffic stop nightmare

This is not an isolated incident.

Welcome to the US drug war.

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state?


Extortion: Dominican police arrest record number of agents


Teen Charged With Stealing High Powered FBI Rifles In Andover

Trust them not us?!?

*shrug*


Imprisoned Pussy Riot member's husband complains of no contact with wife for 17 days

This could never happen here, right?!


FBI monitored anti-war website in error for six years, documents show

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