Or, say you pool all the resources of the entire party and are still 20gold shy of affording that +1 sword for your fighter.
Notwithstanding the other stuff you mentioned, you're not supposed to buy gear for other PCs in PFS.
Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West
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Hello. This question may be more suited to the PFS board. Scenarios are currently written for 4 players so there is no "table meant for 6" currently. In the future, they will be designed for 6 players, with the option to scale down to 4 players.
As far as lodgings in town, most times that is abstracted away. You may come across times where negotiations for board may be necessary, and sometimes those things will have Diplomacy DCs built into the scenario for such provisions.
As Hogarth said, buying things for other characters is one of those things you shouldn't really do. They've got provisions for pitching in for things like Raise Dead, but it assumes that the money you throw out towards helping a party member can't be reimbursed. It may just be best to wait until the fighter can mostly afford the sword and people pitch in a small amount. In PFS, trading and giving things among players isn't allowed to help keep wealth in check. (Players A, B, and C can't permanently give all of their stuff to Player D, making him walking bank vault while the others are destitute.)
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Are we not allowed to use the Diplomacy skill to get partial payment up front? Or at least convince the NPCs to loan us mundane things like climbing gear, or horses? Or even to pay for food and lodging while we are in town. I can understand that for balance reasons, that we cant use diplomacy to increase the max amount of gold allowed per the adventure- but sometimes, especially when you only have 4 people at a table meant for 6, that extra healing potion at the beginning of an adventure can mean the difference between life and character death! So, we negotiate for a small advance to buy that healing potion. Or, say you pool all the resources of the entire party and are still 20gold shy of affording that +1 sword for your fighter. In cases like this- a little diplomacy can make a big difference. So for RULES reasons, you cant get the shopkeep to give you a discount, BUT you COULD get him to agree to let you borrow the sword and leaving the gold as a deposit? (redistributing the gold back to the players at the end of the adventure) Just thinking/ hoping we could get some leniency on this?
I'm kinda tempted to cross-post this to the suggestions board...
I can't think of a scenario I've run or played where you were offered gold for your services. Generally it's just a Venture-Captain sending you on a mission for the Society. That said, if it ever came up tat you were being hired to do something, I'd be willing to allow you to negotiate for partial payment up front if the scenario didn't specify otherwise.
Pooling resources temporarily to buy something is somewhat problematic due to the way ownership of items is handled, but there's nothing against it in the rules as long as one person winds up paying the full cost and owning the item at the end of the scenario. Note that the "one person" cannot be a pre-gen character.
As far as getting a loan from an NPC, I don't see that being very likely. Adventurers live dangerous lives and loaning them equipment, even with a deposit, is a bad risk -- unless you get at least enough cash to compensate for the loss of the item. NPCs are not Hertz Rent-A-Sword. If an NPC is willing to give or loan equipment to the PCs, then that will be spelled out in the scenario for the GM.
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Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West
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I can't think of a scenario I've run or played where you were offered gold for your services. Generally it's just a Venture-Captain sending you on a mission for the Society. That said, if it ever came up tat you were being hired to do something, I'd be willing to allow you to negotiate for partial payment up front if the scenario didn't specify otherwise.
There actually a few scenarios where you can negotiate to get some advanced payment. Those usually have a DC written into the scenario, though. In the cases I've seen, the PCs themselves have to bring up the subject of payment, and then work from there. The NPC are probably more than happy thinking that the Pathfinder Society is willing to do the work for free.
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There is a rule against pooling gold for equipment. You can never transfer gold, equipment, magic, etc. permenantly from one PC to another. You can lend them stuff temporarily, so as long as the lent gold is returned at the end of the scenario, you can pool resources at the beginning to get the magic sword or whatever. if for some reason the players can't repay you, the item would get sold (for half price) and the gold repaid.
The only thing people can pool gold for is spellcasting services, usually for raise dead.
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1) If a band of thugs with longswords will kill the Fighter, it sounds more like a badly built Fighter rather than a scenario designed for a beefier party.
And a d4 instead of a d8 for damage is a minimal decrease in average damage per hit. Still sounds like the Fighter was built for something besides his primary role, combat. Or else that someone wasn't paying attention to their tactics. NEVER let a group of enemies swarm you where they can get flanking on you. Want to bet the GM "took it easy" and decided that he was going to switch them to daggers, and not apply their sneak attack damage?
Besides, to be honest, a +1 weapon is not going to help very much, if at all, in the situation described, since it was related to getting hit, rather than hitting your opponents.
2) As to "borrowing" money from other PCs? Not legal for the campaign. If you can't afford the item from your own funds, you will just have to do without.
For a +1 weapon lack? The PC could have spent 50 gp to buy a potion of Magic Weapon. If he is only a few gold short of the 2,000 gp needed to make an existing weapon +1, he could afford several.
That is assuming that his weapon is already masterwork, and, in most circumstances, that +1 enhancement is a waste of time and money. A +1 weapon only has the benefit of doing 1 more point of damage per hit, and bypassing DR/Magic over a masterwork weapon. For that case, invest 50 gp for the rare circumstances where you need to overcome DR before you can actually afford a +1 weapon.
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My 2¢ ... this isn't a game of economics. It's a game of heroic adventure. I would suggest that if you're that bound up in the business accounting of liquidating assets, profit margins, markup price, renting, and collection of debt, you might have a different outlook on this game that most players.
It's not legal ... and it's not "for RULES reasons", it's because most of us aren't trying to game the system by trying to get something that they haven't earned yet. Let's just say, "No, you can't do this", and move forward, eh?
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Considering one adventure I was in with 4 players and the band of thugs that attacked us originally had longswords and the GM had to scale it down to daggers so that the thug didnt take out the fighter in one hit?...
Yeah- I would say that scenario was designed for a beefier party
Tell your GM to stop cheating?
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Considering one adventure I was in with 4 players and the band of thugs that attacked us originally had longswords and the GM had to scale it down to daggers so that the thug didnt take out the fighter in one hit?...
Yeah- I would say that scenario was designed for a beefier party
GMs aren't supposed to change anything in the scenario.
This sounds like a loosey-goosey home game.
-Skeld
I'm sorry Jeff, I do not understand your post. Please expand on the point you are trying to make.
Pathfinder Society characters aren't supposed to help each other, if it means putting themselves in danger. That's why my PCs always stay at home, hiding in a cupboard. :-)
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I'm sorry Jeff, I do not understand your post. Please expand on the point you are trying to make.a ring to wear during the game (Focus for Shield Other spell)
Wait till you fail your save, taking full AoE spell damage, fall unconscious with just a few points from dead. Than realize that you were being helpful to that new player in your faction and so take half his. DEAD.
fireball trap 6d6= 20 damage. fail save and get knocked to -5. Than because you have "shield other" to help your buddy, you take half of his too. dead. Just saying, you might want to avoid those area effects that hit both of you.
