How do you think the wheel of time is going to end? what do you think the epilogue will contain?
Rand calls the nations together, establishes the Boundaries between the seanchan empires and other kingdoms as his price for killing the darkone and does so.
Mat and Tuon go Roaming around a bit before settling down to run the empire.
Perrin goes back with Faile to raise a hoard of kids who'll make the two rivers into a formidable kingdom.
Avienda finds some way to avert the future she saw in Rhudiean.
A variation on this:
"The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again."
This is not the ending. There are no beginning and no endings to the Wheel of Time. But it is AN ending.
I think it's going to be this, or a flash-forwards to the next turning of the Wheel where everything starts happening again.
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/revive thread.
The Wheel of Time is done (ish).
Brandon has finished the final revision of A Memory of Light. Thank goodness. Now he can get cracking on Stormlight 2 :)
"And they all lived happily ever after."
(Except for the bad guys, obviously.)
...what? I'm a sucker for a happy ending, so sue me!
Now he can get cracking on Stormlight 2 :)
Yeah, I, too, am waiting for this one. :)
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Yay, now he can get back to the good stuff. =)
*flees thread*
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Sadly, not a fan of the Wheel of Time. The D&D adventures that were attached to the RPG were very cool and tied into the early book plots. Unfortunately the series lost me after a bit. It just seemed to stop moving.
Those of you who have been able to slog through it, even enjoy it, I applaud you. Good for you, and I hope that the ending and epilogue is to your satisfaction.
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I stopped reading YEARS ago in the middle of book seven. For exactly that reason. After I heard that Jordan had passed and the series would be completed from his notes, I considered giving it a second go.
Two or three months ago, I pulled the trigger on that thought and I have to say, after getting past the point I had stopped at things picked up a good bit.
I'm halfway through book 10 now, and I'd be lying if I said there weren't sections I just skim through, but for the most part I am really enjoying the journey.
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I am not lying when I say that I quit reading it due to the amount of time Jordan spent on people's mustaches and on Nynaeve's braid-tugging. And Mat and Perrin each thinking the other was good with women.
Literary crutches annoy me, and when you compound that with book after book after book of them... too much.
Sadly, not a fan of the Wheel of Time. The D&D adventures that were attached to the RPG were very cool and tied into the early book plots. Unfortunately the series lost me after a bit. It just seemed to stop moving.
Quite literally true, in my opinion: I have a theory that most people lose interest in the books once the main characters get access to Traveling (i.e. teleport magic). For the first five books (and to some extent, book 6) the protagonists in Randland are always moving towards both an abstract/metaphorical goal as well as a geographical goal (Book 1: Trying to figure out who they are/Get to Tar Valon Book 2: Trying to escape destiny/capture the horn Book 3: Rand trying to prove himself Dragon/reach the Stone of Tear, etc). For each book, you can pretty much draw a straight line from one location to another that charts the narrative (or more than one line when the characters branch off, though they usually all end up in the same place in the end). Heck, this is usually how I summarize the books: Book 4 is where they go to the Waste, Book 2 is where they go to Falme, etc.
Once you get to books 6 or 7, though, everyone's figured out how to BAMF! So for readers it ends up feeling like very little is happening because they characters literally aren't in motion; it gets hard to tell the difference between Cairhien and Caemlyn when Rand can jump back and forth between them a half dozen times in as many chapters. The effect is that the books feature a lot of people appearing to stand in one place and talk at each other.
Of course, it's not a perfect theory. I occasionally run into people who say they hate book one because (and I quote) "nothing happens" for most of it - which I really don't get, because I've always considered book one to be pretty action-packed (I especially like the section where the group gets split up on its way to Caemlyn).
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The effect is that the books feature a lot of people appearing to stand in one place and talk at each other.
They also oil their mustaches. And tug their braids. Don't forget those things. :-p
I really don't hate the books, and I hope that whoever has stuck it out this long has joy of the ending. Just not my style, I guess.
Of course, it's not a perfect theory. I occasionally run into people who say they hate book one because (and I quote) "nothing happens" for most of it - which I really don't get, because I've always considered book one to be pretty action-packed (I especially like the section where the group gets split up on its way to Caemlyn).
I actually enjoyed books one and two, and it pretty well fell out after book three, which was sad.
I read through book eleven on the urging of a friend. I cannot remember most of what happened and was going to call it quits except that I had heard twelve would be the last.
Then book twelve came out. I like Sanderson's writing and thought I'd give it a shot. I read the first page and realized I had no idea who any of these people were. I don't have the energy to slog through the series again, so I guess I'll never know what happens.
“There are no beginnings or endings on the Wheel of Time. And, having read this far, we're sure you’ll be glad to hear that we will be publishing plenty more of this stuff, prequels and parallel narratives and short story collections, as long as we can find other authors willing to separate you from a buck.”
Except that Jordan's widow, Harriet McDougal, has control of the future of WOT, and she has no intention of having WOT books to continue past AMOL, saying that Jordan would "rise from the grave in wrath" if that happened. The most that will happen is an encyclopedia and possible movies or miniseries based on the books. But no new material.
You can say that again!
how awesome would a movie be!? excepth if peter jackson did it like the hobbit, the last book would be nine different movies. get it????!!??! 3 books 9 movies. 3 movies per book. gigady gigady all right...
How will it end
"Rocks Fall Everyone Dies"
Gave up after book 9
I'm gonna give re-reading the last one a whirl before the new one comes out.
Good on ya, Wolfthulhu.. hope you continue to like it. :)
I hope Rand does something epicly badass, like he did in the last book.
I hope the series has an ending worthy of the story.
FWIW, I remember reading a while back that Robert Jodan had already written the climactic scene of Rand at Shaol Ghul even before book 1 was finished.
That's not likely to be the epilogue, though. (The climax of a tale is rarely even the last scene of the stuff happening before the epilogue, as most dramatic structures calls for a dénoument.)
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FWIW, I remember reading a while back that Robert Jodan had already written the climactic scene of Rand at Shaol Ghul even before book 1 was finished.
Will that still be in or rewritten so not to show the difference in writing styles? I only read the first 5 books. So I don't know how different Sanderson is from Jordan.
Yeah, I dont' believe there is anyone in the world who can play chess that well. To know you plan on writing 12 books and know every detail for the last battle.
If Jordan did write it, I don't think that his wife would let Sanderson change it unless he found a major error.
Jordan's early writing is much different than his later. We'll be able to tell.
Who ever said they would probably edit it to fit was probably right. Either I can't wait.
Book 1 was a masterpiece and hooked me in...
the books where they move from point A to destination B seem to follow a pattern. They start SUPER slow and rev up to a grand finale...
Then there are the books where everyone is going in all different directions. These are not very good books...
I stopped reading this series at book 9. Mostly because I had heard Jordan had died. But the series had long since gone stale...
Personally they would have done good to leave it at one book. Or hired a competent editor/publisher who could get him to crunch many of those books into a few if for no other reason then to keep the pace moving like they did in book one.
Jordan had the final scene planned out years ago (there's a reference to what it will likely be way back in Book 1). However, my understanding is that he revisited and polished this scene during his final bit of writing and editing on the series.
There was two years between Jordan being diagnosed with his illness and passing away. During that time he made sure that 'key' scenes were fully written and revised by himself ASAP to ensure they came out the way he wanted (a certain rescue scene in Book 13 was also written by him) even if another author had to take over.
As for styles, Sanderson and Jordan's styles are mostly comparable, to the point that several chunks of Books 12 and 13 that people have moaned about for being 'obviously' written by Sanderson turned out to be written by Jordan (although, to be fair, presumably not fully edited to his highest standards).
As for the original plan for the series, that was a trilogy (ha!). Jordan's publisher, knowing he liked to write long, immediately guessed it would be six and signed him up for that many. And of course it turned out to be fourteen (not counting the prequel and guide book).
I honestly like the combination of both writers than I do just Jordan's or Sanderson's.
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How do you think the wheel of time is going to end? what do you think the epilogue will contain?
My own personal theory for some time has been that Rand will balefire the Dark One using so much power that his thread is burned away a few years into the past.
The final chapter will go back to the beginning of the story with Rand and Tam walking through the woods. Rand looks over his shoulder and instead of seeing the Myrddraal, he sees.....nothing.
Roll credits.
Personally, I am excited about the final book. IMO, Sanderson has done a better job of engrossing me in the events than Jordan did in Books 8-10. Even still, I don't mind the over-development of characters central to the plot, even if the majority of them support their own "literary crutches". How does it all end?? (especially in one book) That's what I'm waiting for.
My own personal theory for some time has been that Rand will balefire the Dark One using so much power that his thread is burned away a few years into the past.
The final chapter will go back to the beginning of the story with Rand and Tam walking through the woods. Rand looks over his shoulder and instead of seeing the Myrddraal, he sees.....nothing.
Roll credits.
It's a nice idea, but balefire doesn't work that way. First, balefiring the Dark One would result in the entire universe exploding (Jordan was very specific in saying that that amount of balefire would destroy everything). Secondly, balefire does not send you back in time. It changes the past, but you still remember the way things were; your consciousness remains in the present. Rand remembers seeing Mat and Aviendha die (and they remember dying) even after he balefires the Trollocs responsible for killing them in Book 5, thus rewriting time so they are still alive. In your scenario, the timeline would change so none of the events would have happened, but the characters would still remember them happening (this is why balefire is so dangerous, due to the paradoxes it creates).
Actually, that may be correct. Asmodean, who was also killed and then unkilled, suspects the truth but only because he was familiar with balefire from the War of the Shadow. The others didn't know (though Mat may have been suspicious after Rand saved him from the Darkhound at the start of Book 5 with the same technique).
However, it still wouldn't negate the fact that balefiring the Dark One would destroy the universe, going by Jordan's rules :-)
For me, my biggest issue with the series is the sheer number of characters referenced. I see names that a part of me feels i should recognize, but i cannot remember their significance unless i use a wiki for help. Aside from the characters, then i love the series.
Sanderson said he would reveal it in the last book (back when he was just going to write one), so here's hoping.
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The Glossary of Towers of Midnight says of Graendal: "A ruthless killer, she was responsible for the deaths of Aran'gar and Asmodean and for the destruction of Mesaana." In the book itself, Shaidar Haran states that Graendal's actions have led to the deaths of three Chosen: "Three Chosen, destroyed by your actions." Towers of Midnight makes it clear that two of these are Aran'gar and Mesaana. As no other Forsaken's deaths are attributable to her, this can most reasonably be taken as confirmation that she did in fact kill Asmodean.
It's a nice idea, but balefire doesn't work that way. First, balefiring the Dark One would result in the entire universe exploding (Jordan was very specific in saying that that amount of balefire would destroy everything). Secondly, balefire does not send you back in time. It changes the past, but you still remember the way things were; your consciousness remains in the present. Rand remembers seeing Mat and Aviendha die (and they remember dying) even after he balefires the Trollocs responsible for killing them in Book 5, thus rewriting time so they are still alive. In your scenario, the timeline would change so none of the events would have happened, but the characters would still remember them happening (this is why balefire is so dangerous, due to the paradoxes it creates).My own personal theory for some time has been that Rand will balefire the Dark One using so much power that his thread is burned away a few years into the past.
The final chapter will go back to the beginning of the story with Rand and Tam walking through the woods. Rand looks over his shoulder and instead of seeing the Myrddraal, he sees.....nothing.
Roll credits.
After Chapt. 22 of The Gathering Storm (The Last That Could Be Done), both the "comment" by Lews Therin about why sealing the Bore failed and the scene with Semirhage, it's likely that Rand will use the True Power to seal the Dark One. A nice bit of irony.
If I were considering how to seal the Dark One and wanted to make doubly certain, I'd seal him first with the True Power and then seal off the True Power seal focus with both saidar and saidin.