What About Epic Monsters Revisited?


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I know that some love for epic has been given with the neh-thallgu, the mu spore, the worm the walks, etc.

But it would be really cool to get some more. In particular, a low-level version of the gibbering orb (CR 11-13 or so). That sort of thing. Larval versions of the biggest of the bad so to speak. Lots of cool monsters still waiting their chance for the spotlight.

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We certainly could. We tend to cherry pick when it comes to updating monsters, reintrepreting our favorites and leaving those that are... "less favorite" for another time (if ever). Until we determine what to do with the game at level 20+, though, most of the open epic level monsters will likely remain right where they are.

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Also... while in 3.5 the neh-thallgu and the worm that walks were indeed presented as epic monsters... that's certainly not their tradition.

The neh-thallgu (aka Brain Collector) first appeared in X2: Castle Amber about 30 years ago, where it was more or less the Expert D&D game's version of the mind flayer in power level.

The worm that walks actually first appeared in the Call of Cthulhu adventure "Shadows of Yog-Sothoth" (also about 30 years ago, and also, amusingly enough, it was NOT a man-shaped worm colony... that was a different monster in the same adventure). When WotC did a d20 version of Call of Cthulhu (in order to show to the world that the then-still-brand-new d20 system could handle ANY game, including one that was in a lot of ways the opposite of D&D's high heroics), they apparently misremembered/combined those two monsters into the worm that walks template that they statted up in d20 CoC. Thereafter, a lot of the spells and some of the monsters in that book appeared in other D&D books... and for whatever reason, they chose to make the worm that walks into an epic template.

Frankly, I MUCH prefer the brain collector and the worm that walks in their non-epic forms as they existed originally in the game and as they now exist in Pathfinder.

An "Epic Monsters Revisited" book could be cool... but as Wes says above, we need to first figure out what that means for our rules. And even when we DO... the neh-thallgu and the worm that walks won't be in the book at all, since they're not "epic monsters" in Pathfinder.


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Gururamalamaswami wrote:

I know that some love for epic has been given with the neh-thallgu, the mu spore, the worm the walks, etc.

But it would be really cool to get some more. In particular, a low-level version of the gibbering orb (CR 11-13 or so). That sort of thing. Larval versions of the biggest of the bad so to speak. Lots of cool monsters still waiting their chance for the spotlight.

It sounds like everything mentioned (mu spore, WtW, gibbering orb) could also fit into an Eldritch Horrors Revisited book.

casts vote for Eldritch Horrors Revisited


I like the idea of eldritch horrors revisited, but I would like to see epic level stuff and an epic monsters revisited, really I love the revisited line and would get any of them

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I will probably never use Epic Monsters revisited but Eldritch horrors revisited would be sweet.

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Oy.

Have you ever run a gibbering orb? It's like death in a jar.

You really don't want to run into something with genius level intelligence that is going to start throwing 24 free disjunction, energy drain and hideous dance eye rays (Su) per round.

The druid, of course, turns into one and drops quickened maximized bombardment on it until it doesn't move any more.

Then there was that one time the wizard was unconscious and the druid turned into a gibbering orb and ate the wizard so she could digest him and use all his spells against the big baddie they were facing. Then she turned into a cyclops, cast reincarnate and selected "GM's option" as what he came back as. What a pain in the arse.

I tell ya, high level characters are differerent with a capital D.

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Now, to get things back on track

As is probably obvious to even a casual observer of the boards, I'm all for Mythic Monsters Revisited, except that they'd probably have to call it something different so it's not confused with Mythical Monsters Revisited.

Not Epic Monsters Revisited, since that would just open the whole "but Pathfinder at levels 15-20 is already epic!" can of worms again.

Perhaps "The Book of Mythic Monstrosities" or something like that :)

In any event, I'm all about this. And put me down for Eldritch Horrors Revisited too, while you're at it.

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