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Darkwing Duck wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Darkwing Duck wrote:

You mean this list?

Gave the president a line item veto (which is actually a good idea)

Allowed 7 members of the president's cabinet to simultaneously serve on the cabinet and in congress

Could mint coins, sign treaties, regulate systems of measurement, naturalize citizens, set and collect levies, and many other things.

Oh, and the Confederate sates could not choose to ban slavery. The Confederate constitution explicitly forbid it.

Whose facts you heavily misrepresented. For example, the president's line item veto could be over ruled by congress - a fact you conveniently neglected to mention.

It can be overturned by congress about as easily as any veto in the US, and the US president does not have a line item veto. That means the Confederate president had more power than the US president in this regard.

What it means is that in the Confederacy, the ultimate power lay with Congress, not the President.

Also note that while the US president doesn't have a line item veto, the Federal Congress has the power to add pork to any laws before they get passed. This leads to an ever expanding federal government. In the Confederacy, pork wasn't possible.

Which is why I said that a line item veto was actually a good idea.


Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:


What it means is that in the Confederacy, the ultimate power lay with Congress, not the President.

Also note that while the US president doesn't have a line item veto, the Federal Congress has the power to add pork to any laws before they get passed. This leads to an ever expanding federal government. In the Confederacy, pork wasn't possible.

Which is why I said that a line item veto was actually a good idea.

Yes, it was a good idea because it put the ultimate decision in the hands of the states, rather than the federal government.


Darkwing Duck wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:


What it means is that in the Confederacy, the ultimate power lay with Congress, not the President.

Also note that while the US president doesn't have a line item veto, the Federal Congress has the power to add pork to any laws before they get passed. This leads to an ever expanding federal government. In the Confederacy, pork wasn't possible.

Which is why I said that a line item veto was actually a good idea.
Yes, it was a good idea because it put the ultimate decision in the hands of the states, rather than the federal government.

No, it's a good idea because it lets the president say no to one thing without having to throw away the whole bill.


Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
It's not like any of us were alive during the Civil War, so we can't ridicule you for speaking of things you have no experience with.

Ok I'll just venture a single observation from my perspective: You are wrong, there are plenty of people still alive from the Civil war, as I am fairly certain the thing hasn't really ended :p


Shifty wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
It's not like any of us were alive during the Civil War, so we can't ridicule you for speaking of things you have no experience with.
Ok I'll just venture a single observation from my perspective: You are wrong, there are plenty of people still alive from the Civil war, as I am fairly certain the thing hasn't really ended :p

Enjoy Rudd, you ocker :D


Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
No, it's a good idea because it lets the president say no to one thing without having to throw away the whole bill.

Even without it, the Confederate president could have said no all he wanted without throwing the whole bill away - it was the states, not the president, who had final say.


Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Enjoy Rudd, you ocker :D

Ruddy might make a comeback, he was better than J0000lia.


Shifty wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Enjoy Rudd, you ocker :D
Ruddy might make a comeback, he was better than J0000lia.

I've always thought of Rudd as Australia's Bush. Is this accurate, or me being an ignorant seppo like normal?


Nah Ruddy is actually a very smart and shrewd man.

I have met the guy on several occasions and although he does his friendly affable chap routine, he was right across industry issues we were dealing with that were complex and detailed.

The guy speaks fluent Mandarin, and was a highly skilled foreign service diplomat before becoming PM. He's also a control freak, narcissistic, and dismissive of other people (as he is a smart guy and has problems dealing with people he thinks he is smarter than).

So all in all, a different animal, even if they look a bit similar.


So, ignorant seppo Kelsey, as usual.


Well, can't say you are at fault, thats how he plays the game.

Grand Lodge

Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:


While I may not be a Confederacy supporter, I am most definitely a fan. The Confederates were damn good fighters.

As for styling uniforms, for some reason I actually like the butternut uniforms (they were supposed to wear gray coats and light blue trousers, but in practice they very often wore butternut or captured Union uniforms).

1. While there were good fighters in the Confederate forces, the overwhelming factor for much of the war was the sheer incompetence or general cowardice of the Union Generals particularly McClellan. who passed up several chances to get an early end to the war, or ordered extremely suicidal offenses such as Fredricksburg.

2. The budget for uniforms was rather limited. Many soldiers in the Confederacy were never issued one.

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