my greatest point is that unless you build a new class towards a dedicated concept (just as all the classes are built towards a dedictated concept even when including all options all classes have) you will never truly get that character you want.This is completely true. But as long as you are playing a game designed and written by somebody else you will likely never truly have what you want. The only answer is to make your own class and not based on rules existing from somebody else as they will always provide restrictions on your concept.
I guess I'm more excepting, perhaps because OD&D/AD&D was uber-restrictive, that I have to work with what I have. I have no issues with Core-Only, what is in the book presents the 'laws of nature' sort of. A class based system like D&D/PF is the worse system possible to create the perfect concept in. An open skill based system like Hero or BRP would make more sense. 2e AD&D filled tens of splat-books with Kits (read as Archetypes) but they still didn't cover every possible concept, and no matter how many APG's Paizo produce they won't either.
But I respect greatly those who are making their own classes/archetypes it isn't easy. The Witch class in the APG, for example, for me isn't witchy at all, so in PF I can't get my idea of a Witch by playing a witch... Hmmmm.
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I can respect your viewpoint. i just figured if Paizo knew what people wanted it would give them an insintive to work on new material (classes). thats the point to this thread. to voice what players feel is missing.
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It's a pretty fun looking archetype, but it might start losing steam around the mid levels where your AC can't keep up anymore (and max DEX to armor doesn't increase because they get swapped out).
Something tells me you'll love the Lore Warden from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide (full archetype available on the messageboards with a quick search).
Bah, Celestial Armor gives +9, you can add +8 Dex to it, and you're good up to level 15. Ring of Protection/Amulet of natural armor, Crane Style/Combat Expertise (yes, you can afford the attack penalty...), Agile/Keen/Dueling weapon, and honestly you'll kick asses like there is no tomorrow without worrying too much about AC.
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i just figured if Paizo knew what people wanted it would give them an insintive to work on new material (classes). thats the point to this thread. to voice what players feel is missing.
A very good point, if you don't ask you won't get. I think your thread is a great idea, if Paizo see a need, let's face it they aren't going to turn down the chance to have the fun making new classes and ultimately new revenue source.
Apologies for being a nay-sayer,
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i just figured if Paizo knew what people wanted it would give them an insintive to work on new material (classes). thats the point to this thread. to voice what players feel is missing.A very good point, if you don't ask you won't get. I think your thread is a great idea, if Paizo see a need, let's face it they aren't going to turn down the chance to have the fun making new classes and ultimately new revenue source.
Apologies for being a nay-sayer,
your not really a nay-sayer, you helped me articulate my reasons for this thread. no apologies needed. and even if Paizo doesnt use any of our idead it is always fun to brainstorm. thanks for adding your own thoughts on this.
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