What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?
What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?
in the ult combat playtest pdf it mentioned using a bastard sword for stats for a katana
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What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?
No single book can contain the stats for the katana! Kiai! :)
What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?No single book can contain the stats for the katana! Kiai! :)
*pshaw* it's just a butterknife, made by wrapping aluminum foil around a corncob. WTF? I'd sat 1 h.p. of damage if you crit with the thing, then if you don't crit with it to confirm, it breaks and stabs you in the eye for 2 h.p. in damage.
I'd simply use the Aldori Dueling sword for a Katana, Calling a Katana a fancy bastard sword does not accurately portray what a Katana actually is.
And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?
I'd simply use the Aldori Dueling sword for a Katana, Calling a Katana a fancy bastard sword does not accurately portray what a Katana actually is.And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?
It is rather durable, but pathfinder uses no durablity system so unless you want to argue that it is harder to sunder a moot point.
It is exceedingly good at giving grievous wounds to unarmored or lightly armored targets so possibly bonus damage against such targets and animals with low natural armor. However on the flip side it is horrible at penetrating armor so heavily armored foes would get DR against it.
Additionally when wielding it you either have to be lunging or adopt an exceedingly wide stance to your opponent so your touch armor should take a penalty.
All in all however these special sort of rules aren't used for any other sort of weapon in pathfinder(rapiers reducing your profile, scimitars carrying the momentum of a horse's charge, etc.) so going with a masterwork bastard sword is easier for everyone.
It is rather durable, but pathfinder uses no durablity system so unless you want to argue that it is harder to sunder a moot point.And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?
Yes and no. The edge was very brittle and delicate, moreso than a European sword, but the spine was a softer metal and much more forgiving of impacts.
It is exceedingly good at giving grievous wounds to unarmored or lightly armored targets so possibly bonus damage against such targets and animals with low natural armor. However on the flip side it is horrible at penetrating armor so heavily armored foes would get DR against it.
Probably, yeah. It should be classified at a S (slashing) weapon, because of the curvature of the blade. This is how most of the weapons have been treated in PF.
Additionally when wielding it you either have to be lunging or adopt an exceedingly wide stance to your opponent so your touch armor should take a penalty.
What the what?
All in all however these special sort of rules aren't used for any other sort of weapon in pathfinder(rapiers reducing your profile, scimitars carrying the momentum of a horse's charge, etc.) so going with a masterwork bastard sword is easier for everyone.
Yeah probably.
All in all however these special sort of rules aren't used for any other sort of weapon in pathfinder(rapiers reducing your profile, scimitars carrying the momentum of a horse's charge, etc.) so going with a masterwork bastard sword is easier for everyone.
Yeah probably.
Well, not every Katana forged was "masterwork". In the warring period particularly a lot of blades were pushed out that were workmanlike, but not masterwork...
Additionally when wielding it you either have to be lunging or adopt an exceedingly wide stance to your opponent so your touch armor should take a penalty.What the what?
Sorry the whole post was mostly a silly exercise in pointing out that all weapons are simplified in pathfinder and treating a katana as special in that regard is unneeded. It was just a point that logically a two handed slashing weapon requires you to stand facing your opponent for leverage and that opens you up to more attacks than say a spear or one handed weapon would.
I'd simply use the Aldori Dueling sword for a Katana, Calling a Katana a fancy bastard sword does not accurately portray what a Katana actually is.And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?It is rather durable, but pathfinder uses no durablity system so unless you want to argue that it is harder to sunder a moot point.
Rather durable? More than any other one and a half hander?
It is exceedingly good at giving grievous wounds to unarmored or lightly armored targets so possibly bonus damage against such targets and animals with low natural armor. However on the flip side it is horrible at penetrating armor so heavily armored foes would get DR against it.
You know, any sword can do that. What katana gains from slightly more curved blade would be probably outweighted by some additional weight on a typical bastard sword IMO. Less slashed skin, more broken bones. Bastard is also better at thrusing IMO.
Additionally when wielding it you either have to be lunging or adopt an exceedingly wide stance to your opponent so your touch armor should take a penalty.All in all however these special sort of rules aren't used for any other sort of weapon in pathfinder(rapiers reducing your profile, scimitars carrying the momentum of a horse's charge, etc.) so going with a masterwork bastard sword is easier for everyone.
Exactly
Katanas? Aren't they some manga japanese things? Jeez, what kind of crap those Asians come up in their animated porn these days!
I can already tell this is going to be a fun thread.
*Sigh*
Sets up bleachers puts on hat.
POPCORN! PEANUTS! COLD BEER!
Is this going to be one of those threads where "actual martial artists" or "historians" try to bring in opposing facts/opinions to prove the awesomeness or overratedness of the katana?
What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?
Whichever has the weapon stats you want to give it. I'd say treat it as a bastard sword and call it a day. In the end, it's just a matter of mechanics, the flavor of the sword and its exact look are something the player and DM decide.
What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?Whichever has the weapon stats you want to give it. I'd say treat it as a bastard sword and call it a day. In the end, it's just a matter of mechanics, the flavor of the sword and its exact look are something the player and DM decide.
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EDIT: It's a plain, long blade that can still be wielded by one hand. I'd actually call it a longsword, but bastard is already a well established thing.
I think finnese is more about how the crds are wielded. Katana slashes are fast due to the strength appied which is quite akin to other medieval swords IMO and are quite similar to the way an executioner's sword is used. The rest (number of attacks, ...) would be a matter of a rigorous skill training and that's what levels are here for. Still it's your game, so in your home-made compaign you can put anything under that label. As a side effect to making finesse appliable you make the sword useless without exotic weapon proficiency, as the weapon can't be wielded as martial even two-handed.
ITS NOT DEPICTED RIGHT IT SHOULD BE A 2D6+1/2 STR SLASHING BLUDGEONING PEIRCING WEAPON WIHT 18-20 X4 CRITS AND ITS A LIGHT FINESSEABLE WEAPON.
Happy alex ;)
ITS NOT DEPICTED RIGHT IT SHOULD BE A 2D6+1/2 STR SLASHING BLUDGEONING PEIRCING WEAPON WIHT 18-20 X4 CRITS AND ITS A LIGHT FINESSEABLE WEAPON.
Happy alex ;)
2d6? How about 1d20+ double str?
They used to cute off prisoner's heads to test them so they should all be Vorpal. And it was a very common in their culture so it should be a simple weapon for monks and characters from the oriental lands.
~Pukes~
Another gawshdarn katana thread.
I'm kicking down the door and running away before the Reality Police get here and inform us that Pathfinder is not doing justice to the awesomeicity that is the KatanaaaAAAAAAA, filled with evidence of their real blades and how every sword that ever hit the forge in Japan is a prodigious work of unparalleled swordsmanship, designed as the most efficient killing weapon to have ever been conceived. EVAH.
2d6? How about 1d20+ double str?
They used to cute off prisoner's heads to test them so they should all be Vorpal. And it was a very common in their culture so it should be a simple weapon for monks and characters from the oriental lands.
That's close, but you forgot that anyone hit with a katana must make a Fort save (DC 10 + damage inflicted + 1/2 BAB) or be forced to spin around, spraying blood, before dying noisily.
Just use bastard sword (paizo did) , the Katana is a two handed weapon. Elven curve blade also works fine.
And lets not bring the real world to much into this as the stats are way off on many weapons ( Two handed falcion I look at you!) The system for weapons is very simple and what we have already covers the abilities of just about any weapon in such a limited system really.
yay, a katana thread, how unexpected.
and the guy who bought a katana for thousands of bucks hasn't shown up yet, what a pity.
here are my katana stats:
it's a nonmagic sword that acts like a vorpal swords and automaticly gets a natural 20 on every attack roll. Also it's a major artifact with the amazing ability to not exist anywhere.
Didn't see this posted above, so...
A Katana can cut a tank in HALF!! It's true! I saw it on the internet!
Didn't see this posted above, so...
A Katana can cut a tank in HALF!! It's true! I saw it on the internet!
Me too!
So that confirms it.
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What book contains the stats for the Katana sword?
There are a number of weapons available to ninja and samurai
that are not found in the Core Rulebook. For the purposes ofthis playtest, you can use the following statistics to represent
these weapons.
For the katana, use the statistics and rules for a bastard
sword.
For the naginata, use the statistics and rules for a glaive.
For the wakizashi, use the statistics and rules for a short
sword.
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Ya know, the 'katanas are awesome' crowd is annoying, but I think we have come to the point where the people making fun of them are more annoying.
As for the OP's actual question, For now, bastard sword stats are the 'official' take. When subscribers start getting the Ultimate Combat PDF in the next week or so, you can get a final answer.
Its a fancy steak knife with a light folded steel blade about 3 feet long. Its actual use is killing uppity peasants, against an armored man it was largely ineffective.I'd simply use the Aldori Dueling sword for a Katana, Calling a Katana a fancy bastard sword does not accurately portray what a Katana actually is.And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?
it was also only folded as the native iron sucked. Without the folding the steel was very weak. With the folding it was of ok quality. And yeah it kinda sucked with armored guys and the tip did tend to break off.
The katana was for show, the real work was done with bows or naginata( which are pretty much Asian glaives)
Katanas are so last century, last millennium even.
Actually after watching a Nagita bend but not pierce bronze plate on deadliest warrior I have to say that in the rare occasion a Samurai had to fight another samurai they would break out the Kanabō, or you know the bow.Its a fancy steak knife with a light folded steel blade about 3 feet long. Its actual use is killing uppity peasants, against an armored man it was largely ineffective.I'd simply use the Aldori Dueling sword for a Katana, Calling a Katana a fancy bastard sword does not accurately portray what a Katana actually is.And what exactly is a katana? I mean what's so special about it, eh?it was also only folded as the native iron sucked. Without the folding the steel was very weak. With the folding it was of ok quality. And yeah it kinda sucked with armored guys and the tip did tend to break off.
The katana was for show, the real work was done with bows or naginata( which are pretty much Asian glaives)
And I thought that they used yari/spear for real piercing work :)
Same difference, they used weapons not katana's for real fighting. It was a symbol more then it was really a weapon.
IT MUST BE DONE.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" b*%%*$@~ that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as MasterworkNow that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block
And it's brother, of course.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Katana" b&*!@!#$ that's going on in the d20 system right now. Bastard Swords deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Bastard Sword in Germany for 10,000 Euros (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Bastard Sword.
European smiths spend years working on a single Bastard Sword and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Bastard Swords are thrice as sharp as Japanese swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Daisho can cut through, a Bastard Sword can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Bastard Sword could easily bisect a samurai wearing pieces of wood for armor with a simple horizontal slash.
Ever wonder why Japan never bothered conquering Medieval Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Knights and their Bastard Swords of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the Bastard Swords first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Bastard Swords are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Bastard Swords:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Bastard Swords in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Bastard Swords need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
Wow... someone actually posted that? TWICE?
Dude, there are tons of them. There's one that's even about Skub.
I'm tired of people being tired of katana threads. Can't we just say that there have been so many katana threads that they've gone all the way out of hackneyed and come back around to fresh and exiting again? Can't you remember the excitement you felt the first time you saw a thread about katanas? "Finally!" you said with naive enthusiasm, "At last this instrument of mass destruction will get the treatment it deserves!!!"
And then your hopes were dashed in a sea of thread-crapping blood-spurting Manga-invoking nonsense.
There needs to be a website for katanas like there is for Chuck Norris. Then the next time this thread shows up we could just post a link to the katana site.
The Katana Website, All Katanas all the time
The site made by Katanas, for Katanas.
Katanas, when you absolutely positively have to slash something in half in the messiest fashion possible.
IT MUST BE DONE.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" b~$&$*~* that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as MasterworkNow that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Slab of Solid Iron" b*%%%@$~ that's going on in this meme. Slabs of Solid Steel deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Slab of Solid Steel in a Blast Furnace for $20 (that's about $20) and have been practising with it for almost 2 years now. I can even smack people who talk nonsense with my slab of solid steel.
Migrant workers spend years working on a single slab of steel and add coal or something to produce the finest slabs of metal known to mankind.
Slabs of steel are thrice as hard as slabs of pig iron and thrice as sharp for that matter too. Anything that can cut through it is going to be a lot cuttier than a katana. I'm pretty sure a slab of steel could easily concuss an idiot with a katana with a simple blow to the head.
Ever wonder why girders and bridges are made out of steel? That's right, steel is not easy to cut through. Even in World War II, we used steel because its hardness was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Slabs of Solid Steel are simply the best Slabs that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better treatment in memes. Here is the stat block I propose for Slabs of Solid Steel:
Slab of Solid Steel: Can't be cut. That's it.
Now that seems a lot more representative of the power of Slabs of Solid Steel in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Slabs of Solid Steel need to receive less damage in memes, see my new stat block.