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Okay, so, I was looking through the Magical items list for future items I would like to own, and I had a couple of questions.
1) What would you charge for a Holy Avenger that is a Scimitar instead of a Longsword? I would think they'd be the same price since they're in the same category, but I was curious to see what the forums though.
2) Same question, but for the Sun Sword (sized for a small character, doing 1d6 damage, 18-20/x2 crit range).
3) Sword of Subtlety: As a rapier instead of the short sword. Now, this is a pretty decent step up in power, and I'm pretty sure it'd warrant another 5k or so in value.
4) Javelin of Lightning: WTH? It's like paying 1500 gold for 1 charge of a Wand of Lightning Bolt. >_>
For the first three I wouldn't change the price at all. If you can find someone capable and willing to create the magic item what does it matter which weapon you use?
Never had anyone ask for a Javelin of Lightning before. I'm guessing for the same reason as you wrote. However it is priced correctly according to table 15-29, which isn't including the cost of a javelin. I would ask if I could go about 4-6,000 gold for a once per day item.
about the javelin of lightning. yes, it costs the price of about 6 charges of said wand. but you get a few nice perks you can't with the wand. you can threaten squares with it as a melee weapon, anyone can use the lightning effect. not just casters. and you can full attack with these things too. unlike the wand.
but i agree with Gravesscion here.
if you can commission someone to make those specific armors, who cares what armor a PC wears?
and who really cares what slot a particular magic item takes up.
you could have eyeglasses of physical perfection for all i care. i don't even beleive in charging extra for oddball slots.
Okay, so, I was looking through the Magical items list for future items I would like to own, and I had a couple of questions.
1) What would you charge for a Holy Avenger that is a Scimitar instead of a Longsword? I would think they'd be the same price since they're in the same category, but I was curious to see what the forums though.
This warrants no change in price outside of the extremely negligable cost difference between a scimitar and a longsword, if one even exists. I'll freely admit I'm too lazy to bother checking if there's a 2-3 gold difference.
2) Same question, but for the Sun Sword (sized for a small character, doing 1d6 damage, 18-20/x2 crit range).
No change. The fact that smaller characters deal less base weapon damage is a balancing aspect of the other racial advantages they get. It is not a reason to warrant decreasing the cost of the item, which then becomes an additional advantage instead of a disadvantage.
3) Sword of Subtlety: As a rapier instead of the short sword. Now, this is a pretty decent step up in power, and I'm pretty sure it'd warrant another 5k or so in value.
No, and here's my reasoning for that. While it functionally seems superior, you are now pricing the item at 27k. For this cost, the character could purchase a +3 rapier which would ignore cold iron and silver DR and leave them with 9k left over, or would be only 5k away from simply buying a +4 rapier, which would be +4 all the time and also bypass adamantine DR, all of which a Sword of Subtlety will NEVER do.
A Sword of Subtlety is already a massively overcosted item. It's worth no more than 15k in my valuation, being priced at 22k is far too high for a situational item that's only good in the hands of an extremely limited subset of characters, and in a limited number of situations. It's really great if you find one, but never, ever pay gold for this.
4) Javelin of Lightning: WTH? It's like paying 1500 gold for 1 charge of a Wand of Lightning Bolt. >_>
No one buys a javelin of lightning. This item exists only for the PCs to crap their pants every time someone throws a javelin at them in a narrow hallway. However, make them cheaper and you decrease the role of the wizard/sorcerer. My recommendation is that you accept the fact that these items were really never intended to be purchased.
Holy Avenger: I see no problem with just keeping it the same.
Sun Sword: Again, don't see too big of an issue here. Base damage doesn't mean a whole lot on the whole.
Sword of Subtlety: This one is under "depends." If the character already as rapier proficiency and wants to main-hand it, then I can see it being an upgrade. If the character is not proficient or wants to use it as an off-hand weapon, it's actually a decrease.
Javelin: Change the javelin to also have returning. Boom, you're set. Right now the javelin is just awful, and no wizard would ever whine about someone being able to do an almighty 5d6! at will.
A one time consumable 5d6 Lightning Bolt would cost 750gp. The consumable, however takes a standard action to use, the javelin can be thrown as part of a full-attack. Whether this is worth the increase in price is debatable. Typically, one time consumable items aren't worth the price anyway.
Okay, so, I was looking through the Magical items list for future items I would like to own, and I had a couple of questions.
1) What would you charge for a Holy Avenger that is a Scimitar instead of a Longsword? I would think they'd be the same price since they're in the same category, but I was curious to see what the forums though.
2) Same question, but for the Sun Sword (sized for a small character, doing 1d6 damage, 18-20/x2 crit range).
3) Sword of Subtlety: As a rapier instead of the short sword. Now, this is a pretty decent step up in power, and I'm pretty sure it'd warrant another 5k or so in value.
4) Javelin of Lightning: WTH? It's like paying 1500 gold for 1 charge of a Wand of Lightning Bolt. >_>
1) It'd be a wash, no change. This assumes that there is a LG deity with scimitar as a favored weapon in the world. If you wanted to make one that was not a favored weapon, I'd probably charge a little extra. This would keep things like holy avenger spiked chains non-existant or rare.
2) I'd worry about the 2x damage (3x on crit) vs undead with the larger crit range. It could be overpowered, depending on the campaign. I'd let this fly without changing the cost, with the provision that I might change my mind later. The sun blade already has "looks like one thing, fights like another" A compromise on mechanics might be to fight like a small basted sword (1d8, 19-20x2) but let any feats that would work with a small scimitar work with it (rather then short sword).
3) Making it a rapier locks it into a main-hand weapon. I don't think the fact that it's a short sword impacts the price of this weapon. While the better crit range syncs nicely with the hefty bonus, at the end of the day the piles of sneak attack dice are going to be what kills the monster.
4) They are pricy, but give big dumb fighters an AOE spell they can full attack with. It adds a useful trick to your repertoire. You pay a premium for allowing non-spellcasters access to iconic blast spells, and the ability to throw as many as you can in a round.
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Okay, time for me to just come out and say why I'm asking about this.
1 & 2) I'm playing a Goblin Paladin of Sarenrae, hence the desire for a scimitar instead of longsword and a Scimitar sized like a Bastard Sword (1 dice size larger). I've REALLY been trying to keep the flavor of Sarenrae, and even go overboard because it seems so contrary to typical goblin behavior (though the love of fire is slowly coming to the forefront :D).
3) My best friend is playing a tiefling rogue right now (two-weapon fighting) who actually uses my paladin as a flanker quite often (Grace spell is AWESOME for setting up flanks), hence my question about a Rapier of Subtlety. However, it may be better for him to do Shortsword focus and dual-wield Swords of Subtlety. I'll have to talk to him about it.
4) Honestly, I saw that while looking at specific weapons and just went "That sucks." I MIGHT include them in an adventure as part of a one-shot battle (heroes fighting in an evil temple with statues holding Javelins of Lightning), but that's about it. XD
