
Magister_Crow |

Someone in my Pathfinder game was wondering about using the Fiendbinder PrC from Tome of Magic. I've played a the class before and I remember needing to invest in items just to make it work, though it was a lot of fun. Since I'm running the game, I wanted to try to adapt rather than ban. I have some ideas (enhancing summoning, making checks less painful, etc), but has anyone done a conversion on the Fiendbinder already?

Golden-Esque |

Someone in my Pathfinder game was wondering about using the Fiendbinder PrC from Tome of Magic. I've played a the class before and I remember needing to invest in items just to make it work, though it was a lot of fun. Since I'm running the game, I wanted to try to adapt rather than ban. I have some ideas (enhancing summoning, making checks less painful, etc), but has anyone done a conversion on the Fiendbinder already?
Some things in mind:
While I've never played one personally, it is fairly easy to break the Fiendbinder. It spirals out of control quickly, given the level of power that the demons you can command possess.
It requires a class called the Truenamer, which is widely believed to be one of the only 3.5 classes that is as bad as the 3.5 Monk.
You're looking at a lot of work to convert this class. You need to convert it's base class, convert the base class's abilities, balance all of it against Pathfinder stuff, and then balance out the fiendbinder.

Magister_Crow |

See, the thing is, the reason I was looking to convert just the PrC is because it wouldn't need the Truenamer conversion. It relies on the ability to use Summon Monster, so they aren't even able to prestige into it. Converting Truenamer would be too difficult.
I have played a Fiendbinder in the past, and they're not as easy to break as it might be assumed, at least, not on paper. The money put in is not significant in the long run, but the necessity to use a standard action to get the demon to do something with a chance of failure makes decisions tactical, especially as a spellcaster with surefire options. Yes, the demon is much more effective than a Searing Light, but Searing Light is sure to do at least something, as opposed to sitting there laughing at you if you fail a check.