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My problem isn't the swift action it is the bolded part of the text in the phrase: "has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description".
If a succubus is casting Dominate person as a SLA, it has a casting time of 1 standard action or 1 round?
I have posted the question in the rule forum and I see that at least a few person are as confused as me.
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Huh. That's a good question.
It SHOULD be the Bestiary version. It's ridiculous to assume that something like unhallow, which has a casting time of 24 hours for balance and flavor reasons, is a standard action for anyone who has it as a spell-like ability. It's not very spell-like if it changes that fundamentally.
Go with "Has a casting time of 1 standard action unless otherwise noted in the ability or spell description."
And frankly... I think it's easiest to just go with the spell description, or 1 round if the SLA doesn't have a spell description associated with it (such as the copy cat ability from the Trickster domain).
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I've posted on the rules forum, but I'd like your opinion, and I know it's an opinion.
If you look at the warden in Wrath otR #5, she's using +1 Defending Swords.
It specifically says in her tactics that if she loses her armor, she'll take all the defending bonuses from her swords and apply them at the same time.
Which meant that the defending bonuses from multiple weapons STACK, which I never thought was the case.
1) Was this an editing miss, or is it an official ruling?
2) I don't consider it unbalanced, per se, but I'd make it a unique ability of the warden, not a standard rule.
Your thoughts?
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Defending bonuses from a defending weapon do indeed stack. It says so right in the description in the Core Rulebook: "A defending weapon allows the wielder to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus to his AC as a bonus that stacks with all others.
Hrn. Interesting. I never considered Defender bonuses to stack with themselves, due to the same source rules, the same way untyped bonuses from one spell wouldn't stack with themselves if you kept casting the same spell, or the Wis to AC bonus from a Monk's Belt and being a Ninja wouldn't stack...Wis to AC is the source, and wouldn't stack with itself.
Hrm.
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Here's a question that's been on my mind for awhile.
Say, for instance, that was a worshiper of (for the sake of this argument) Abraxas. I'm a Mythic Lich Wizard 10/Demoniac 10, which would bring me to a total of CR 26. Now, since Abraxas hasn't been written up yet, we don't know how high his CR is, but generally Demon lords are generally in the CR range of 25-30. I don't know about you, but this is where I stop seeming like a worshiper and start looking like an equal.
1) Would he get suspicious of me at this point or try to kill me off, due to me being to "close" in power level to him? I mean, if I had normal mythic tiers I could have taken Divine Source by now.
2) Can Demon Lords even sustain giving that much of their power to high-level/mythic clerics with no ill effects?
All I'm saying is, it's gonna be pretty awkward for Baphomet when his CR 28 Minotaur Cleric 20/Hierophant 10 is 1 CR point higher then him if I'm doing my math right.
Here's a question that's been on my mind for awhile.
Say, for instance, that was a worshiper of (for the sake of this argument) Abraxas. I'm a Mythic Lich Wizard 10/Demoniac 10, which would bring me to a total of CR 26. Now, since Abraxas hasn't been written up yet, we don't know how high his CR is, but generally Demon lords are generally in the CR range of 25-30. I don't know about you, but this is where I stop seeming like a worshiper and start looking like an equal.
1) Would he get suspicious of me at this point or try to kill me off, due to me being to "close" in power level to him? I mean, if I had normal mythic tiers I could have taken Divine Source by now.
2) Can Demon Lords even sustain giving that much of their power to high-level/mythic clerics with no ill effects?
All I'm saying is, it's gonna be pretty awkward for Baphomet when his CR 28 Minotaur Cleric 20/Hierophant 10 is 1 CR point higher then him if I'm doing my math right.
Minotaurs have 6 racial hit die, so it can only become a Cleric of 14th level. Also, since Minotaurs are 'combat clases' the first 4 levels of Cleric only add +1 CR for every 2 levels. So a Minotaur with 14 levels of Cleric and 10 Hierophant would have a CR of 4 + 2(first 4 levels of Cleric) +10 (cleric) +5 = CR 21.
Minotaurs have 6 racial hit die, so it can only become a Cleric of 14th level. Also, since Minotaurs are 'combat clases' the first 4 levels of Cleric only add +1 CR for every 2 levels. So a Minotaur with 14 levels of Cleric and 10 Hierophant would have a CR of 4 + 2(first 4 levels of Cleric) +10 (cleric) +5 = CR 21.Here's a question that's been on my mind for awhile.
Say, for instance, that was a worshiper of (for the sake of this argument) Abraxas. I'm a Mythic Lich Wizard 10/Demoniac 10, which would bring me to a total of CR 26. Now, since Abraxas hasn't been written up yet, we don't know how high his CR is, but generally Demon lords are generally in the CR range of 25-30. I don't know about you, but this is where I stop seeming like a worshiper and start looking like an equal.
1) Would he get suspicious of me at this point or try to kill me off, due to me being to "close" in power level to him? I mean, if I had normal mythic tiers I could have taken Divine Source by now.
2) Can Demon Lords even sustain giving that much of their power to high-level/mythic clerics with no ill effects?
All I'm saying is, it's gonna be pretty awkward for Baphomet when his CR 28 Minotaur Cleric 20/Hierophant 10 is 1 CR point higher then him if I'm doing my math right.
Wait, what? That's actually a rule? Where???
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Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.
Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?
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Here's a question that's been on my mind for awhile.
Say, for instance, that was a worshiper of (for the sake of this argument) Abraxas. I'm a Mythic Lich Wizard 10/Demoniac 10, which would bring me to a total of CR 26. Now, since Abraxas hasn't been written up yet, we don't know how high his CR is, but generally Demon lords are generally in the CR range of 25-30. I don't know about you, but this is where I stop seeming like a worshiper and start looking like an equal.
1) Would he get suspicious of me at this point or try to kill me off, due to me being to "close" in power level to him? I mean, if I had normal mythic tiers I could have taken Divine Source by now.
2) Can Demon Lords even sustain giving that much of their power to high-level/mythic clerics with no ill effects?
All I'm saying is, it's gonna be pretty awkward for Baphomet when his CR 28 Minotaur Cleric 20/Hierophant 10 is 1 CR point higher then him if I'm doing my math right.
1) If you think of the thing you worship as being an equal, you're not really doing the worship right at all. That said... it's VERY difficult for a humanoid to get much higher than CR 26 anyway. (Abraxas, btw, is CR 30.)
2) Yes. It doesn't deplete a demigod's power to grant power to a worshiper.
Also... a Minotaur cleric 20/hierophant 10 isn't something I'd recommend putting into your game in the first place. The fact that something like that is approaching its deity's power in CR is a suggestion to not do that in the first place for story concerns, if nothing else.
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Minotaurs have 6 racial hit die, so it can only become a Cleric of 14th level. Also, since Minotaurs are 'combat clases' the first 4 levels of Cleric only add +1 CR for every 2 levels. So a Minotaur with 14 levels of Cleric and 10 Hierophant would have a CR of 4 + 2(first 4 levels of Cleric) +10 (cleric) +5 = CR 21.
Not true. Any creature's maximum class level is 20. Hit dice don't matter. A minotaur can be a 20th level cleric. A 20th level minotaur cleric would be:
Minotaur = CR 4
Adding cleric (non-key) levels grants +.5 CR per cleric level until level 5, at which point they grant +1 CR per level.
So 20 levels of cleric increases the minotaur's CR by +18.
The 20th level cleric minotaur is thus a CR 22 creature. Give him 10 hierophant tiers and that grants +5 to the CR, making him a CR 27 creature, which is an equal CR to Baphomet, in theory (whether or not his Table 1–1 stats match Baphomet's would remain to be seen, but I doubt they would, since giving class levels to creatures tends to not follow table 1–1 expectations... which is why NPCs so often have stat boosting items and the like).
In any event, something like that would be somewhat nonsensical since its CR would be equal to Baphomet's. It'd make more sense to knock off a few tiers or levels so that the theoretical minotaur high-priest of Baphomet was closer to CR 25 or so, in my opinion. Even better... don't give it mythic tiers at all and leave it at CR 22.
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Minotaurs have 6 racial hit die, so it can only become a Cleric of 14th level. Also, since Minotaurs are 'combat clases' the first 4 levels of Cleric only add +1 CR for every 2 levels. So a Minotaur with 14 levels of Cleric and 10 Hierophant would have a CR of 4 + 2(first 4 levels of Cleric) +10 (cleric) +5 = CR 21.Here's a question that's been on my mind for awhile.
Say, for instance, that was a worshiper of (for the sake of this argument) Abraxas. I'm a Mythic Lich Wizard 10/Demoniac 10, which would bring me to a total of CR 26. Now, since Abraxas hasn't been written up yet, we don't know how high his CR is, but generally Demon lords are generally in the CR range of 25-30. I don't know about you, but this is where I stop seeming like a worshiper and start looking like an equal.
1) Would he get suspicious of me at this point or try to kill me off, due to me being to "close" in power level to him? I mean, if I had normal mythic tiers I could have taken Divine Source by now.
2) Can Demon Lords even sustain giving that much of their power to high-level/mythic clerics with no ill effects?
All I'm saying is, it's gonna be pretty awkward for Baphomet when his CR 28 Minotaur Cleric 20/Hierophant 10 is 1 CR point higher then him if I'm doing my math right.
Wait, what? That's actually a rule? Where???
It's not a rule. It's a misunderstanding, or maybe a house rule.
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Hi James,
Can you comment on a ruling, or at the very least the FAQability of the question in the following post?
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qes1?Scarred-Witch-Doctor-Bonus-Spells#1
Is CON meant to replace everything for which INT normally functions excepting skill points for the SWD? Thanks!
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I can't really comment, since I have no idea where the scarred witch doctor thingy comes from. But my gut reaction is that you only use your CON modifier for the things the ability specifically calls out: the highest level of spells she can cast, her spell save DCs, number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes normally determined by her Intelligence. Everything else is determined by Int.
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My problem isn't the swift action it is the bolded part of the text in the phrase: "has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description".
If a succubus is casting Dominate person as a SLA, it has a casting time of 1 standard action or 1 round?
I have posted the question in the rule forum and I see that at least a few person are as confused as me.OH!
Huh. That's a good question.
It SHOULD be the Bestiary version. It's ridiculous to assume that something like unhallow, which has a casting time of 24 hours for balance and flavor reasons, is a standard action for anyone who has it as a spell-like ability. It's not very spell-like if it changes that fundamentally.
Go with "Has a casting time of 1 standard action unless otherwise noted in the ability or spell description."
And frankly... I think it's easiest to just go with the spell description, or 1 round if the SLA doesn't have a spell description associated with it (such as the copy cat ability from the Trickster domain).
I seemed the more credible interpretation to me too. The only problem is that that text is in the CRB, not in the bestiary version. I, like other GMs, for that kind of thing use my Bestiary as the primary source so I failed to notice it in the past. I hope that the FAQ in the rule forum will generate a errata for the next printing of the Bestiary, but if you have the chance, can you suggest to the appropriate person to do that?
From what I remember at least in a pair of adventures the author had a monster casting unhallow (SLA) as his preparation to an encounter with the PC, with the monster tactics implying that it is a standard action for him, so I would say that there is a bit of confusiona bout this rule.
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Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.
No effect whatsoever. Math and magic are not codependent. If they were, then all spellcasters would require high intelligence.
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I seemed the more credible interpretation to me too. The only problem is that that text is in the CRB, not in the bestiary version. I, like other GMs, for that kind of thing use my Bestiary as the primary source so I failed to notice it in the past. I hope that the FAQ in the rule forum will generate a errata for the next printing of the Bestiary, but if you have the chance, can you suggest to the appropriate person to do that?From what I remember at least in a pair of adventures the author had a monster casting unhallow (SLA) as his preparation to an encounter with the PC, with the monster tactics implying that it is a standard action for him, so I would say that there is a bit of confusiona bout this rule.
Casting unhallow as a prep spell is nonsensical, unless the preparation allows the caster the 24 hours to cast it. There are a few spells, like unhallow or lesser restoration, that I see people CONSTANTLY forgetting (or just not realizing) have casting times longer than 1 action. That goes for authors, developers, and even designers.
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You can add "GMs and players". Sometime we forget too.
After a long time I have got the chance to be a player instead of the GM: I am rediscovering some limitations that never did come in play as a GM, like "enlarge person has a 1 round casting time." As soon as we reach some civilized area I will buy a few potions of it :-)
Hey James, is there anywhere that Paizo takes suggestions for future books? Because I'd really like to see an NPC Codex 2, with the classes from the advanced players guide and a section in the back for Eidolons, similar to the one the current NPC Codex has for animal companions.
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I can't really comment, since I have no idea where the scarred witch doctor thingy comes from. But my gut reaction is that you only use your CON modifier for the things the ability specifically calls out: the highest level of spells she can cast, her spell save DCs, number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes normally determined by her Intelligence. Everything else is determined by Int.Hi James,
Can you comment on a ruling, or at the very least the FAQability of the question in the following post?
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qes1?Scarred-Witch-Doctor-Bonus-Spells#1
Is CON meant to replace everything for which INT normally functions excepting skill points for the SWD? Thanks!
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Thanks! The archetype comes from the Advanced Race Guide, page 140. Many people weren't sure about the Con/Int thing, so just thought I would drop a question.
Did Arazni and Iomedae know each other before Arazni's death?
Bah, too late to edit my last post and add this to it:
What happens to the souls of followers of the Outer Gods/Great Old Ones? What does Pharasma do with them?
Do any of the Outer Gods actually maintain realms where they could receive souls?
Though I could see Nyarlathotep actually maintaining one that's rigged to collect the souls of other entities' worshipers along with Its own.
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Hey James, is there anywhere that Paizo takes suggestions for future books? Because I'd really like to see an NPC Codex 2, with the classes from the advanced players guide and a section in the back for Eidolons, similar to the one the current NPC Codex has for animal companions.
Not really. We do look at these boards for some inspiration on what books would make sense to do in the future, but that's combined with a LOT of other factors.
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1. What knowledge check would use to identify special materials, such as Adamantine, Mithril, Viridium, etc.
2. What knowledge check would you use in identifying stars and gathering information about other planets?
3. What would the resulting offspring be in the case of:
3.A) Succubus + Incubus?
3.B) Succubus + person possessed by an Invidiak?
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1) If you think of the thing you worship as being an equal, you're not really doing the worship right at all. That said... it's VERY difficult for a humanoid to get much higher than CR 26 anyway. (Abraxas, btw, is CR 30.)What about Areelu Vorlesh? She's a 20th level 8th tier character with a modified half-fiend template (base half-fiend template is a +3 at her level, and Demons Revisited doesn't mention changing it), so with PC wealth she'd be pushing CR 27, and Deskari is CR 29 (according to this blog post).
How does their relationship work? Is she still definitively subordinate to a great degree, or is there relationship different now to when she was just starting out? Because she'd be (by CR, anyway) more powerful than several demon lords already, and an equal to Baphomet.
Areelu Vorlesh is Deskari's greatest and most powerful minion, but she's still lower CR than him. (You have the CRs correct; he's 29 and she's 27.)
As for how their relationship works? That's one of the underlying elements of the entire Wrath of the Righteous Adventure Path. A situation like this, where you have a high priest who's nearly equal in power to the demigod she worships is something worth exploring for an entire campaign.
So we did.
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Bah, too late to edit my last post and add this to it:
What happens to the souls of followers of the Outer Gods/Great Old Ones? What does Pharasma do with them?
Do any of the Outer Gods actually maintain realms where they could receive souls?
Though I could see Nyarlathotep actually maintaining one that's rigged to collect the souls of other entities' worshipers along with Its own.
I answered this just recently in the Qlippoth/Great Old One thread, but the short version is:
Most of those souls go on to the Abyss, and some of them go on to Abaddon or the Maelstrom, and a fraction of them go directly to the Great Old One or Outer God and are consumed or otherwise used for something without actually ever going to the Boneyard, due to the nature of their death/sacrifice/whatever.
The Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods don't really care about their mortal worshipers, and as such, there's no "draw" to their realms or whatever from the Boneyard.
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No effect whatsoever. Math and magic are not codependent. If they were, then all spellcasters would require high intelligence.Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.
I see. So, how do people work on science or math while magic's futzing around? There's so much stuff on Golarion that flies in the face of the laws of physics or biology that I'd imagine that magic is the go-to assumption on Golarion for the most basic things like gravity and evolution!
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1. What knowledge check would use to identify special materials, such as Adamantine, Mithril, Viridium, etc.
2. What knowledge check would you use in identifying stars and gathering information about other planets?
3. What would the resulting offspring be in the case of:
3.A) Succubus + Incubus?
3.B) Succubus + person possessed by an Invidiak?
1) Appraise is a good choice, but otherwise I'd use Knowledge (nature). Knowledge (engineering) is used to identify technological stuff, so there's some crossover there, especially when you start talking about skymetals.
2) Knowledge (geography).
3a) A succubus.
3b) Either a half-succubus, a half-invidiak, or an alu-demon, depending on circumstances.
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I see. So, how do people work on science or math while magic's futzing around? There's so much stuff on Golarion that flies in the face of the laws of physics or biology that I'd imagine that magic is the go-to assumption on Golarion for the most basic things like gravity and evolution!No effect whatsoever. Math and magic are not codependent. If they were, then all spellcasters would require high intelligence.Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.
Math knowledge is basically Knowledge (engineering) checks, so if you want a character who's good at math, give them ranks in Knowledge (engineering).
And the "stuff that flies in the face of physics/biology" is the very definition of magic.
And now I see what you're actually asking—"Do people believe gravity is magic or science?" That's something that varies from person to person, from group to group, from region to region.
I see. So, how do people work on science or math while magic's futzing around? There's so much stuff on Golarion that flies in the face of the laws of physics or biology that I'd imagine that magic is the go-to assumption on Golarion for the most basic things like gravity and evolution!No effect whatsoever. Math and magic are not codependent. If they were, then all spellcasters would require high intelligence.Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.Math knowledge is basically Knowledge (engineering) checks, so if you want a character who's good at math, give them ranks in Knowledge (engineering).
And the "stuff that flies in the face of physics/biology" is the very definition of magic.
And now I see what you're actually asking—"Do people believe gravity is magic or science?" That's something that varies from person to person, from group to group, from region to region.
Some also believe gravity is neither math nor science, it's the Gods.
Mr. James Jacobs,
If given the chance to be something other and comparatively better than human* (Celestial or some other kind of outsider, robot, alien, etc.) would you take it?
* Or rather humanoid since it seems likely you would like to be an elf.
You've said a few times that you don't enough about Arshea to answer a particular question.
1. What does count as knowing enough?
2. Who would the people to ask be? Which reminds me...
3. What's keeping Wes so busy?
4. Given Charisma raises the DC of spell-like abilities, would a demigod with a high Charisma score (~40+) be more likely to be CR 29-30 or is it possible for such beings to be CR 26-27?
5. Do you think empyreal lords should have at-will shapechange as part of their spell-like ability suite (since gods are always changing shape in stories) or do you think it should be different (because they're not demon lords)?
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You've said a few times that you don't enough about Arshea to answer a particular question.
1. What does count as knowing enough?
2. Who would the people to ask be? Which reminds me...
3. What's keeping Wes so busy?
4. Given Charisma raises the DC of spell-like abilities, would a demigod with a high Charisma score (~40+) be more likely to be CR 29-30 or is it possible for such beings to be CR 26-27?
5. Do you think empyreal lords should have at-will shapechange as part of their spell-like ability suite (since gods are always changing shape in stories) or do you think it should be different (because they're not demon lords)?
1) Being the one who came up with the character. That wasn't me. I think it was Wes.
2) Wes is a good place to start.
3) His job. Which in other, larger companies, would be 2-3 people's job. That kinda goes for most of us here at Paizo.
4) It's possible... but unlikely. Manipulating ability scores is a great way to adjust a monster to fit in its expected Table 1–1 values... and manipuluating Charisma so its Primary or Secondary Ability DCs fall in line is what kind of sets the baseline for what sort of Charisma a creature of ANY CR would have.
5) Nope, because that'd be an unnecessary bit of rules-creep. We've already designed them. I'd rather work with what we've published than continue to tinker now that they're in print. They SHOULD be different, in any event, from demon lords because they are not demon lords.
Are previously unillustrated lesser gods such as Gyronna getting art ordered for them in Inner Sea Gods, or is that something you can't tell us just yet?
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I see. So, how do people work on science or math while magic's futzing around? There's so much stuff on Golarion that flies in the face of the laws of physics or biology that I'd imagine that magic is the go-to assumption on Golarion for the most basic things like gravity and evolution!No effect whatsoever. Math and magic are not codependent. If they were, then all spellcasters would require high intelligence.Thank you! What effect does mathematics and physics have on magic and vice versa? For example, do you need a functional understanding of gravity to make things levitate, or of chemistry to conjure air or toxic gas?Do people in Varisia use Chelaxian nomenclature in regards to coinage (pinch, sail, crown etc.)?Yes.Math knowledge is basically Knowledge (engineering) checks, so if you want a character who's good at math, give them ranks in Knowledge (engineering).
And the "stuff that flies in the face of physics/biology" is the very definition of magic.
And now I see what you're actually asking—"Do people believe gravity is magic or science?" That's something that varies from person to person, from group to group, from region to region.
Actually the question's more along the lines of "How the heck does understanding of mathematics and sciences even occur on Golarion when magic throws a monkeywrench into EVERYTHING?!"
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Actually the question's more along the lines of "How the heck does understanding of mathematics and sciences even occur on Golarion when magic throws a monkeywrench into EVERYTHING?!"
Magic should make understanding of *some* physical laws come even faster.
There are spells that affect gravity, for instance (despite fantasy settings generally being set well before the theory of gravity being proposed), and spells that lense light, and spells that allow you to get the answers to any question you might have, including questions like 'are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night, glowing gems imbedded on the inside of the crystal sphere that contains our world, or big flaming balls of burning stuff?' (Bearing in mind that, in some worlds / settings, another of these options could actually be true, for instance, if your 'solar system' *was* in fact contained within a crystal sphere, and the 'stars' might indeed be giant glowing gemstones, allowing for a mythic rogue to promise to a lover that he is going to bring her 'one of the stars from the sky' as a betrothal gift, and then actually do that very thing!)
Anyone able to cast divination could advance a field of study by leaps and bounds, in weeks surpassing the efforts of what a team of researchers and scholars could accomplish in decades. And there are gods, like Brigh, who might encourage such a thing!
Hi James.
1) What are your favorite Sorcerer bloodlines, if any?
I seem to recall your two favorite classes are Bard and Cleric so here are some Cleric questions:
2) What are your favorite Cleric domains?
3) What domains you think seem to be the most underrated?
4) What kind of Clerics do you usually play? Melee, Jack of all trade, caster or something else?
5) What is the most fun (pathfinder) Cleric you ever have played and why?
6) The Hobbit: Did movie being shot in video bother you? That is, did the Image quality bother you?
Do you think empyreal lords should have at-will shapechange as part of their spell-like ability suite (since gods are always changing shape in stories) or do you think it should be different (because they're not demon lords)?Nope, because that'd be an unnecessary bit of rules-creep. We've already designed them. I'd rather work with what we've published than continue to tinker now that they're in print. They SHOULD be different, in any event, from demon lords because they are not demon lords.
1. Is that what "rules creep" means? I thought it was when it applies to the player.
2. Do you really want to base empyreal lords based on what's been published? Their mental ability scores were low across the board, their spell-like abilities weren't standardized, and they're even missing crafting and vital strike feats.
3. Do you really think it's appropriate for the most power of celestial demigods to be less mentally capable in every way than the least mentally capable demon lords?
4. How much trouble would it be to write up an errata for Bestiary 4? I suspect enough that you can't make it a priority with how busy Paizo makes itself but I'm still curious.
5. Back to empyreal lords and shapechanging: you don't think they should have at-will shapechange but (based on a previous answer of yours) you do think they all should have some kind of shapechanging power, correct?
James, how do you think the evolution surge, lesser evolution surge and greater evolution surge should work as far as stacking with each other or even themselves?