It does not. I gave three distinct requirements. You must meet all three. Its like if someone tell you they need three forms of ID, handing them 2 does not cut it.
Spells is part 1, it does not work for part 3. If you can't meet part three then you simply can not join.
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Explain to me how a healing spell does not heal with a touch.
You're basically telling me, to be a rifleman, a character must be able to strike a target with a rifle shot, and kill an enemy with a bullet, and then telling me being able to kill with a rifle does not count for both requirements.
If you're going to use meta requirements, come out and say what you mean. 'Must have Healing domain' instead of 'must be able to heal with a touch'.
It does not. I gave three distinct requirements. You must meet all three. Its like if someone tell you they need three forms of ID, handing them 2 does not cut it.
Spells is part 1, it does not work for part 3. If you can't meet part three then you simply can not join.
Except usually they do accept fewer forms of ID...
But okay, a Druid with the healing doman is allowed into your order...dispite worshipping a different deity. Just FYI.
Because the ability to cast a healing spell was step 1 of meeting 3 different requirements. If healing spell counted for part 3 there would be no need to list it by itself.
There is no reason two requirements can't be met simultaneously.
The only reason you're not counting healing touches as healing touches is because you're rewriting the dictionary to hide the fact that you're wrong and the Bard qualifies 100%, undeniably. This resistance is just a manifestation of a desire to force your build upon the players without cause or reason.
Are you guys really that dense ya can't count past 2? If a spell is the requirement for 1 then it can not also be the requirement for 3 when you have 3 distinctive requirements.
Yes, it can, if your spell meets both requirements. A healing touch is a healing touch. Being asked to be able to cast a spell does not make that spell stop being a healing touch.
It is possible to hit two birds with one stone.
There is no issue with the order or its requirements, just with player who want to be called something and expects the the setting to be rewritten because he wants it to be rewritten.
You're the one rewriting the setting in order to control the player, here. That Bard has the spell, the skill, and the touch. She's in.
That Bard has the spell, the skill, and the touch. She's in.
And even if your high priests are so freakin' nitpicky that they require "a healing touch that does not require a verbal component" (so as to try and disallow the spell), then a person with a Silenced spell is in, and so is a Paladin. But that's not what you're trying for, I gather. What you seem to be telling us "it has to be the Healing domain 1st level power," but you have no idea how to make it that restrictive in game terms -- nor any reason why it should be that restrictive in any event. Will all of the verisimilitude of your campaign collapse if one of the Clerics of Pelor happens to make the people around him a bit braver, and seems to pick up combat skill quicker, but is unprecedentedly slow when it comes to learning new spells?
Guys as long as they can meet all 3 then by what I stated they are in. Using a touch based healing spell does not meet step 3 as that is step 1.
I did not place a god as a requirement, the order may not be made up of just one faith. All you need to do is meet all three steps. A sepll simply does not count as step 3 as that is step 1
So you're basically telling me,Guys as long as they can meet all 3 then by what I stated they are in. Using a touch based healing spell does not meet step 3 as that is step 1.
I did not place a god as a requirement, the order may not be made up of just one faith. All you need to do is meet all three steps. A sepll simply does not count as step 3 as that is step 1
...to be a rifleman, a character must be able to strike a target with a rifle shot, and kill an enemy with a bullet, and then telling me being able to kill with a rifle does not count for both requirements.
What I am saying is you have 3, count them 3 requirements to meet. Not 2.
As for the riflemen it would depend. If the target must be one they set up and the enemy must be one they choose then no killing a random dude does not count.
It all depends on how the order does things. For the healing order I gave you three requirements to meet. Being able to meet just 2 of the 3 is simply not meeting all three.
And meatrace, a druid with the healing domain would be fine as I did not state it must be of one faith. Only that you meet all three requirements.
Last time I went to a job interview, they wanted a phone number, a form of identification, and a street address.
My ID has a street address, but damn, guess I have to find a different card with it.
Incidentally...
Because the ability to cast a healing spell was step 1 of meeting 3 different requirements. If healing spell counted for part 3 there would be no need to list it by itself.
This is my favorite line in this whole thread, because it makes it sound like Seeker so desperately wants to change his own rules, but he's physically incapable of doing so, and he's just begging us to help him. "Guys, please, for the love of god, let me take part 3 off the list, I can't do it myself...!"
Seeker, if you need to be able to call, text, and surf the internet, do you have to get three different devices?
Your looking at it backwards. To take advantage of a service that gives all three your device must be capable of all three.
Seeker, if you need to be able to call, text, and surf the internet, do you have to get three different devices?Your looking at it backwards. To take advantage of a service that gives all three your device must be capable of all three.
You're basically telling us that there are cell phones that let you call people (heal spell) but won't let you talk to people over the phone (heal with a touch)
I am so far unaware such a phone exists.
This is my favorite line in this whole thread, because it makes it sound like Seeker so desperately wants to change his own rules,
I have no interest in changing the three requirements I gave. A few posters here are simply trying to side step the 3rd part. I gave three requirements, meet all three separate requirements. Meeting two simply does not count.
No, you ARE changing the requirement, because you refuse to accept that two requirements can be fulfilled by one ability. So you are adding to it by saying it can't be a spell.
Exactly. Casting a healing spell is not the same as healing someone WITH that spell. Say Cleric a casts a healing spell. He has NOW fulfilled part 1. Then he touches someone, healing them WITH the spell whose charge was held. That's a different requirement fulfilled because you didn't say "can heal with a touch that ISN'T a spell".
Just say you want to amend your requirements and we'll get off your case. As stated being able to cast a heal spell, which THEN allows you to heal someone by touching them, clearly fulfills 2 requirements.
No I am not changing anything. I gave three requirements not two. Meeting two of three does not count. Trying to twist the wording does not change your still missing the third requirement.
Are we still posting about psionics in this thread or just posting to post?
No I am not changing anything. I gave three requirements not two. Meeting two of three does not count. Trying to twist the wording does not change your still missing the third requirement.
Who's the one twisting the wording? You're the one saying that healing someone with a touch isn't healing someone with a touch because it's a spell. How does that make any more sense than, "to be a rifleman, a character must be able to strike a target with a rifle shot, and kill an enemy with a bullet, and then telling me being able to kill with a rifle does not count for both requirements."
Are we still posting about psionics in this thread or just posting to post?
Mostly just posting.
As a GM, I find that my primary objections fall into two categories.
1) Psionics is always created as a seperate system (in both 2nd Edition and 3.X). It isn't even referenced in any of the Core Rulebooks, and most extra books don't mention it, even after the Psionics Handbook came out. Thus, it is not always clear how the psionics rules interact with other rules. Also, it leaves you with psionic-less campaigns that suddenly have psionics available (or banned) when it comes out. This also would have been the easiest issue to fix when Pathfinder was first created. It was not.
2) Psionics is often complicated as a system, when set beside the magic system. With the exception of Unearthed Arcana variants, that is. Using 2 systems of casting makes things more complicated in general, which can frustrate new players or weak/time-starved GMs. A smooth system that is similar in mechanics to the current magic system would greatly smooth over this issue.
As a GM, I usually leave it up to my players whether or not psionics will be in play. If I have a player with a psionic character, I use psionics. Otherwise, it's farly easy to just ignore it.
No I am not changing anything. I gave three requirements not two. Meeting two of three does not count. Trying to twist the wording does not change your still missing the third requirement.
So, Cirno brings 2 forms of ID to a job interview, one with an address. Dude says "NO YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT SHOWS YOUR ADDRESS" and he's like "it's right there on my ID..." "NO YOU NEED THIRD THING GET OUT NOW!"
Yeah...
Thing is...we're right and you're wrong. You didn't word it clearly and EVERYONE thought you meant something other than what you say you meant. If a requirement was written like that for a prestige class there would be no way to keep any of the other suggested character concepts out.
But this thread hasn't remotely been about psionics as much as SOS's lack of language skills for a couple pages now and it's kind of boring.
Who's the one twisting the wording? You're the one saying that healing someone with a touch isn't healing someone with a touch because it's a spell.
I gave 3, casting a healing spell fills part 1, not part 3. If it did fill part three then there would be no need for me to state part 3.
As I gave a part three, then clearly part one does not fill the requirement or there would be no need to make it an extra requirement.
Who's the one twisting the wording? You're the one saying that healing someone with a touch isn't healing someone with a touch because it's a spell.I gave 3, casting a healing spell fills part 1, not part 3. If it did fill part three then there would be no need for me to state part 3.
As I gave a part three, then clearly part one does not fill the requirement or there would be no need to make it an extra requirement.
You make a good point. There definitely shouldn't be that third requirement. I am officially rescinding it.
Nope the third separate requirements still stands.
Edit: It is funny I give you three non meta game requirements and ya guys spend pages using pure meta game loopholes to try and bypass the third one.
They aren't metagame loopholes. They're in-game facts; when you cast Cure Light Wounds, you're healing someone with a touch, thus meeting requirement 3. That's not meta. You're pulling nonsense from the void to try and invalidate an undeniable truth; you can shoot someone with a rifle and kill someone with a bullet in the same act.
They aren't metagame loopholes. They're in-game facts;
Yay you just admitted that class ability are not meta game issues but in world facts. Thanks.
Yay you just admitted that class ability are not meta game issues but in world facts. Thanks.
He just said the opposite.
English is not your first language. Are you running this through babelfish every time you post or what?
Without referring to the first requirement, tell me why casting a healing spell does not meet the third requirement.
Yay you just admitted that class ability are not meta game issues but in world facts. Thanks.He just said the opposite.
English is not your first language. Are you running this through babelfish every time you post or what?
Ya know dude, thats funny coming from someone who does not understand what three means
Without referring to the first requirement, tell me why casting a healing spell does not meet the third requirement.
Why would it count? It is not healing with a touch, it is using a spell.
Can we discuss Psionics please? Is there a mod that can lock-out/delete these people's off-topic comments?
Yay you just admitted that class ability are not meta game issues but in world facts. Thanks.
No, I didn't. I called the act of healing someone with a touch an in-game fact.
Why would it count? It is not healing with a touch, it is using a spell.
A spell that heals people with a touch.
Yay you just admitted that class ability are not meta game issues but in world facts. Thanks.No, I didn't. I called the act of healing someone with a touch an in-game fact.
Why would it count? It is not healing with a touch, it is using a spell.A spell that heals people with a touch.
This is all irrelevant to the topic! Take this elsewhere, please!
Its a spell, which meets part one. Casting a spell to meet part three, does not meet part three.
You have three requirements meeting two is not enough. It is that simple.
Edit: Guys ya might as well drop it. I am not gonna move on this. I gave three requirements. If you can meet all three cool, casting a spell meets 1. Then showing you have knowledge of the healing arts is 2. Healing with a touch is the third.
Trying to loophole 1 into 3 is something I will not accept as fulfilling part three. And that is simply all there is to it.
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School conjuration (healing); Level bard 1, cleric 1, druid 1, paladin 1, ranger 2Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range touch
Target creature touched
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will half (harmless); see text; Spell Resistance yes (harmless); see text
When laying your hand upon a living creature, you channel positive energy that cures 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell deals damage to them instead of curing their wounds. An undead creature can apply spell resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage.
Casting a spell to meet part three, does not meet part three.
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I. There are no words.
No words.
/cry
at least a brick wall doesn't argue.
All of you are brick walls, ramming into eachother! Go Away!!! This thread is for discussing Psionics. Not Cure Light Wounds. Not prestige classes. PSIONICS!
You'll have more luck flagging the thread than posting to tell us to stop.
The trouble is that there is no official rule that is being broken...maybe if you'd start cursing or using racial slurs so that I can flag you? :-D
This isn't that difficult to understand.
He said "heal with a touch", by which he clearly meant the touch is the instrument by which the heal occurs. You all read it as meaning that a touch simply needed to be involved.
Both interpretations are legit and one simply has to decide which of the two interpretations the writer intended - for which I'd start by asking the writer.
This is all pretty clear. What is not so clear is why this created a multiple paged arguement. So, let me ask, are you all high?
One requires a spell. The other requires a spell like ability. I fail to see how that could be such a vast difference FLAVOR wise that anyone could really tell without metagaming.
This isn't that difficult to understand.
He said "heal with a touch", by which he clearly meant the touch is the instrument by which the heal occurs. You all read it as meaning that a touch simply needed to be involved.
Both interpretations are legit and one simply has to decide which of the two interpretations the writer intended - for which I'd start by asking the writer.
This is all pretty clear. What is not so clear is why this created a multiple paged arguement. So, let me ask, are you all high?
Also, we gave him the opportunity to clarify his requirements, to make it clear what he meant. He insists on being a douchebag.
Ya know I have never played that. I don't own an xbox or anything but I did have a new player make a comment like that before. I am guessing it is similar, I really can't tell ya anything about dragon age.
It's orsm.
And eerily similar to your campaign world, from what i've heard/read.