I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
we call it Pathfinder, altough we still meet Beholder and Illithids.
and especially for me, the gnomes are still defined as in D&D :D I just loved them, and now as they are more fey-like, they kind of suck ... that's the only thing I really think messed up in Pathfinder
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I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
I had a thread on this over in the 4E forums but it got locked down. Civility collapsed...
My sons, who I have been DMing for about 2 1/2 years came to me at the beginning of the summer and lobbied me to start GMing PFRPG for them as opposed to D&D. I had been playing both. I quote, "We don't want to play D&D. If we want to play cards we'll play Pokémon. We want Pathfinder."
We've been differentiating between the two because we had been playing both. Have to tell you though; I haven't played 4e in about 3 months now. DMing and playing PFRPG exclusively now.
I'd encourage everyone to call it Pathfinder though. D&D is Hasbro's brand. Pathfinder is Paizo's. Paizo needs increased brand recognition and that comes for using the proper name of their product line.
Yes I manage sales budgets. Yes I do marketing.
Pathfinder. Just Pathfinder.
It depends on how specific I want to get about it, like saying "I live in North York" vs. "I live in Toronto" vs. "I live in Canada".
We're using PF more and more as the term we call our game, but it's hard to get past 30 years of playing D&D. When non-gamers ask what I'm playing, I generally say something like "Pathfinder, which is a direct descendant of D&D."
I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
We just call it "the game." Like it's the only one in town now.
Like others have said, it depends.
"Hey hon, Friday I'm going over to Dan's to play D&D."
"Hey guys, we should convert to Pathfinder."
Basically, D&D describes the game I'm playing. Pathfinder describes the particular rule set I use. IMHO D&D encompasses everything from the original box to 4e and PFRPG. That doesn't mean I like or even play all of that, but it's all still D&D.
Another angle... generalizing and saying I'm playing D&D sort of legitimizes Paizo's efforts. One, it says that Pathfinder is part of a multi-decade-long chain of product, not some improvised newcomer. Two, it says the PFRPG isn't claiming to be all-new; it's still massively based on WotC's D&D intellectual property so credit where credit is due.
I understand Paizo can't say it's D&D, but I sure can.
Yeah, I'm not really thinking about it in reference to 4th edition. It was more derived from 3rd edition D&D.
We were playing 3.5 before we switched to Pathfinder and we have been playing D&D for just about 20 years. So when we made the switch it just seemed natural to keep calling it D&D instead of Pathfinder. Yeah, the name on the cover switched but the game is pretty dang similar.
I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
We still call it D&D.
I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
I had a thread on this over in the 4E forums but it got locked down. Civility collapsed...
Can I get a link to that? My name is wraithstrike over there also if you just want to PM me.
I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
When I am recruiting a new player I call it pathfinder, but refer to 3.5 for comparison purposes so they know what I am talking about. At the table we use both names though.
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Like others have said, it depends.
"Hey hon, Friday I'm going over to Dan's to play D&D."
"Hey guys, we should convert to Pathfinder."
Basically, D&D describes the game I'm playing. Pathfinder describes the particular rule set I use. IMHO D&D encompasses everything from the original box to 4e and PFRPG. That doesn't mean I like or even play all of that, but it's all still D&D.
Another angle... generalizing and saying I'm playing D&D sort of legitimizes Paizo's efforts. One, it says that Pathfinder is part of a multi-decade-long chain of product, not some improvised newcomer. Two, it says the PFRPG isn't claiming to be all-new; it's still massively based on WotC's D&D intellectual property so credit where credit is due.
I understand Paizo can't say it's D&D, but I sure can.
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Can't say I get all hung up on labels. Everyone calls it both, and we know what is meant.
Within the group we call it pathfinder and we call 4E, 4E or 'Fourth'. Kind of a peace treaty between the various supporters as we play both. To anyone else I still say DnD, and when talking about generalities we say DnD instead of pathfinder or 4E.
Pretty much use both. To me and those I game with, it is D&D, even if the proper name is Pathfinder.
Pathfinder. A fantasy roleplaying game of dangerous DUNGEONS and deadly DRAGONS. ;)
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Can I get a link to that? My name is wraithstrike over there also if you just want to PM me.I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
I had a thread on this over in the 4E forums but it got locked down. Civility collapsed...
It was here on Paizo's forums, not WOTC's. I think I titled the thread Bodes Ill...
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We made the mistake of calling it D&D during one of our first Pathfinder sessions and all of a sudden there was a knock on the door and there was Lisa Stevens and literally an ARMY of lawyers with cease and desist orders, a plush Cthuhlu and a smelly dead fish wrapped in newspaper. We never called it D&D again.
All kidding aside, we call it Pathfinder but I call it D&D to my friends who don't play RPGs because to them RPGs are D&D. They have no clue that RPGs encompass thousands of games.
My group still calls it "Dungeons and Dragons". When asked what version by people you typically say "Pathfinder".
I think this has alot to do with the fact that we still use all our 3.5 books, and usually play games in Eberron. :)
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I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
Pathfinder. "D and D" means the latest edition to (most of) us; we use 3.5 to refer to the older version of D&D.
I was just curious. When you play Pathfinder do you actually call it Pathfinder or do you call it D&D?
So when gathering your friends for a game; do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play Pathfinder?" or do you say "can you make it on Sunday to play D&D?"
I'll start first. My group still calls it D&D.
Our group mostly refers to it as 'D&D' or 'gaming' but we are starting to refer to it as Pathfinder, interchangebly with D&D.
I think once Pathfinder has more material being used in our game than 3.5, we might start refering to it solely as Pathfinder.
Pathfinder, to us, is the spirtual successor and actual heir to 3.5/original D&D.
4.0 may be an excellent product but it is not what any of us wanted from our RPG time.
Can't say I get all hung up on labels. Everyone calls it both, and we know what is meant.
This really. I say D&D half the time out of habit, but other times I call it Pathfinder, same with the rest of my group.
Since I run a 3.5 campaign in parallel with a Pathfinder one, I call it pathfinder.
But, you know, Pathfinder is for my group the current D&D fro all purposes.
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Either way is fine with me. PATHFINDER RPG is the very best, top-shelf, Dungeons & Dragons game. Because PATHFINDER RPG is backward compatible, I'm very comfortable inviting friends for a game of dungeons & dragons and letting them know we are playing PATHFINDER RPG. Its brilliant design leaves everyone happy, regardless of what you call it.
Conversely, when someone says they're playing 4e, I know they're not playing Dungeons & Dragons in anything but title.
Either way is fine with me. PATHFINDER RPG is the very best, top-shelf, Dungeons & Dragons game. Because PATHFINDER RPG is backward compatible, I'm very comfortable inviting friends for a game of dungeons & dragons and letting them know we are playing PATHFINDER RPG. Its brilliant design leaves everyone happy, regardless of what you call it.
Conversely, when someone says they're playing 4e, I know they're not playing Dungeons & Dragons in anything but title.
When I explain CMB vs CMD, a lot of 3.5 players fall in love lol
Tissue is to Kleenex
Copy Machine is to Xerox
In-line skates is to Rollerblades
RPG game is to DnD
I call Pathfinder, Pathfinder, DnD, and or sometimes "its like DnD 3.75" generally followed by "not that 4.0 crap".
I call 4E, Hasbro's dumbed down version of DnD, which is really World of Warcraft in paper form (to really make the licensing lawyers froth at the mouth)
I have been playing DnD and other RPGs for 20 years now, and the only form of DnD I am moving forward with is Pathfinder.
Paizo - Gary would be proud
Hasbro - Umm... I do like Monopoly Deal
4.0 Upset me about as much as when Gen Con moved from Milwaukee to Indianapolis (I am from Milwaukee).
When you sneeze, do you reach for a facial tissue or for a Kleenex? When you dine out, do you order a cola or do you order a Coke? When you have a headache, do you take acetamenophen or do you take Tylenol?
Let's face it. D&D has the brand name all locked up. Everyone knows (or thinks they know) what D&D is. You can say "I play D&D" to a total stranger and they are very likely to have an idea of what you're talking about, even if they have never played it in their life.
Pathfinder just doesn't have the brand recognition to compete with that.
Yet.
But WotC is losing players by the droves. As their player base diminishes, many of those players flock to Pathfinder. I know several personally, and read posts on these forums all the time.
So it's just a matter of time and momentum. In time, Pathfinder will be synomyous with D&D.
Pathfinder, all the way.
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When you sneeze, do you reach for a facial tissue or for a Kleenex? When you dine out, do you order a cola or do you order a Coke? When you have a headache, do you take acetamenophen or do you take Tylenol?
When I reach for a tissue it's Puffs, because I like the brand the best, otherwise I refer to it as facial tissue. When I'm out I ask what kind of soda they have, then I order Pepsi or Coke appropriately. When I have a headache, I take ibuprofen, not Advil. Not everybody uses brand names and generic names interchangeably.
You're right on the other aspect of things, I call these items by their generic names because they've been around forever. Give Pathfinder enough time and it'll stop being referred to as D&D.
With non players: "A Dungeons and Dragons-style game"
With RPG players: "Pathfinder." Or "Pathfinder which is like D&D 3.75"
When recruiting new players from those who may not have played a P&P RPG before: "Hey, wanna play RPGs?"
So for me, it's contextual. But because I used to play 4th ed. I generally say "D&D" for that, and "Pathfinder" otherwise. Which also works to my advantage in recruiting WoW players. "Hey, wanna play D&D sometime? It plays similar to WoW but with more freedom" then hook em and say "Yeah, so we're gonna switch over to Pathfinder which is like D&D, but way better."
EDIT: I also wholeheartedly agree with other that have said we should call it Pathfinder instead of D&D. Paizo deserves the word of mouth. WotC doesn't need more sales.
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...I call 4E, Hasbro's dumbed down version of DnD, which is really World of Warcraft in paper form (to really make the licensing lawyers froth at the mouth)...
Reporting as ordered!
To fellow gamers - Pathfinder
To non-gamers, who wouldn't know a d8 from a d10, or even know that anything besides a d6 exists - D&D
When talking to roleplayers, I call it Pathfinder.
When talking to anyone else, I normally don't call it anything. These people usually can't wrap their heads around the concept of roleplaying anyway, so if I mention it at all, it's mostly "I'm going roleplaying." Everything else is just line noise. Might as well tell them "I play an elf rogue with the sniper and scout archetypes, the Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot feats, ...."
I call it Pathfinder or D&D depending what I'm doing, plus I was still in a 3.5 game, so it was still called D&D anyway.
as for calling it PFRPG that is wrong, because there is a game already with those initials, Palladium Fantasy Role Playing Game.
and they even have a registered trade mark.