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Not sure if they are or not.
Now if you'll excuse I need to have drink, make out with my girlfriends and fire my gun wildly in the air. 'Cause that's how Dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

Freehold DM |

Not sure if they are or not.
Now if you'll excuse I need to have drink, make out with my girlfriends and fire my gun wildly in the air. 'Cause that's how Dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.
I'd buy Bats, Hulk and Iron Man, but the FF? Seriously? Who could have a problem with the FF? They're so saccharine most times it makes my teeth hurt. That said, I haven't checked out Ultimate FF.
This isn't a very good article really, it's so slanted I wouldn't want my fine china anywhere near the work it's published in. They didn't even get into what was wrong with each superhero. I'd say this article was written in about 5 minutes by someone who had to do it or get fired or face a pay cut.

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What "boys" buy comic books any more? Seriously. The comic books have grown up with their readers. For the most part, their audience is the same people they were targeting 30 years ago -- who are now 30 years older and are looking for different things from their stories/soap operas. (Besides, only adults really have the kind of money to invest in comic books any more -- what are they now? $5 a piece.) Maybe I'm a little off, but when I was teaching middle school a few years ago, I NEVER saw anyone with a comic book. All the "boys" were into computer/console games.

Samnell |

A group of people who take the law into their own hands and dispense great heaping piles of violence on anybody they deem guilty without the slightest bit of legal oversight, operating in, mostly, complete anonymity?
Superheroes are inherently terrible role models. I consider it a genre convention, acknowledged or otherwise. Kind of like wearing tights or having powers.

Samnell |

Samnell wrote:Kind of like wearing tights or having powers.So do you use your powers for good or for awesome?
I suppose it would depend on the powers. It would be difficult to use a death touch or the ability to torture people just by thinking in a way that could be considered good. But something like teleportation or superspeed that doesn't have obvious deleterious effects inherent in its use? Both.

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Erik Mona wrote:I think you give those people too much credit. Hyper defiantly, Christian, highly doubtful.This reminds me of all of the anti-D&D spew from hyperchristians during the Satanic Panic of the 1980s.
None of them knew what they were talking about, either.
Fair enough. Feel free to put a "self-identified" in there. :)

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Crimson Jester wrote:Erik Mona wrote:I think you give those people too much credit. Hyper defiantly, Christian, highly doubtful.This reminds me of all of the anti-D&D spew from hyperchristians during the Satanic Panic of the 1980s.
None of them knew what they were talking about, either.
Fair enough. Feel free to put a "self-identified" in there. :)
Fair enough. :)

Steven Tindall |

I thought the author of that article was going to start breaking out in song by the end of it saying "can't we all just get along"
Some of todays superheroes are just plain wrong for various reasons but violence isn't one of them.
The company's are trying desperatly to hold onto their market share and failing time and time again because readership is way down. They had to update the heroes and the villians because lets face it how many times can some one save the world from an incoming metorite or foil yet another bank robbery before it just gets too old to be interesting. How ever by makeing the heroes have flaws like alcholism or aids or being a wife beater then you make them more human and interesting, not to mention give a moral lesson on why it's bad to drink,beat your wife or have unprotected sex.
I'm a huge DC fan and my favorite hero will always be Wonder Woman simply because she has always been the most human of all the heroes. She actually redeemed one or two of her supervillians and if she couldn't redeem them then she had no problem in throwing her tiara and takeing their heads highlander style. Superman for all his power never kills, the last time bats used a gun was back in the 40's when the mob and the japs and germans were his big enemy.
I like my heros with a little more in the way of humanity that the modern era provides, the days of the invincible superman reminding us to drink our milk for strong bones and to join the boy scouts are long gone, thank goodness.

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Some of it may have to do with the publishers trying to figure out what the reading public wants.
It may very well be the perception that the modern Hero is a Jack Bauer figure who screws the rules and crosses the line becausde of the idea that evil done to evil is okay, and in fact right when it's the cause of good.
Batman has always held my respect because there were lines he would not cross even if expediency seems the "right" answer.
Superman kind of has to hold the line, because face it if someone like him started killing, it'd be hard put for him to stop, given that few have the wherewithal to do so.
I remember a line from Silver Surfer where among the cosmically powerful the word is truly bond. Because if you could not depend on the word of such a being what would there be left to trust about it.