Knowledge Devotion?


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Can anyone tell me what this is, and where it comes from? Another player in my group uses it quite often, and when I asked him about it he told me to look it up myself. I'm not quite sure what it even is though. He just says it adds +2 to his attack and damage roll. Sidenote, is the duskblade spell list ever expanded outside of PH2. A duskblade in our party uses true strike often, but I don't see it on their spell list in the book.

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mrcarter11 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what this is, and where it comes from? Another player in my group uses it quite often, and when I asked him about it he told me to look it up myself. I'm not quite sure what it even is though. He just says it adds +2 to his attack and damage roll. Sidenote, is the duskblade spell list ever expanded outside of PH2. A duskblade in our party uses true strike often, but I don't see it on their spell list in the book.

Knowledge Devotion is a domain feat from Complete Champion. I believe it is intended for religious characters who have access to the Knowledge Domain.

KNOWLEDGE DEVOTION [DOMAIN]
You can use your knowledge to exploit your foes' weaknesses and overcome their strengths.
Prerequisite: Knowledge (any) 5 ranks.
Benefit: Upon selecting this feat, you immediately add one Knowledge skill of your choice to your list of class skills. Thereafter, you treat that skill as a class skill, regardless of which class you are advancing in. Whenever you fight a creature, you can make a Knowledge check based on its type, as described on page 78 of the Player's Handbook, provided that you have at least one rank in the appropriate Knowledge skill.
You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table.
Check Bonus
Result Granted
15 or below
+1
16-25
+2
26-30
+3
31-35
+4
36 or higher
+5
You can make only one Knowledge check per creature type per combat. If you fight creatures of multiple types during the same combat, you can make one Knowledge check per type, thereby possibly gaining different bonuses against different opponents.
Example: Alhandra faces a black dragon, a vampire, and a beholder. She has the Knowledge Devotion feat and ranks in both Knowledge (arcana) and Knowledge (religion). At the beginning of the battle, she makes checks to gain bonuses against the dragon and the vampire, but since she possess no ranks in Knowledge (dungeoneering), she has no chance to gain a bonus against the beholder (an aberration).
Alhandra's Knowledge (arcana) check grants her a +3 insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against the
black dragon. Later, a half-dragon enters the fray. Alhandra cannot make another check since she has already checked for the dragon type this combat, but she can apply the +3 insight bonus to her attack rolls and damage rolls against the half-dragon as well. This benefit is an extraordinary ability.

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As a side note, a player who uses a feat or rule you're not familiar with should be able to provide it on demand, rather than inform the DM to "Look it up."


He would probably tell the DM, probably.. But I'm just another player, and I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to learn new ideas in DnD. I'm semi new to playing, so I was trying to figure it out. You know?

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mrcarter11 wrote:
He would probably tell the DM, probably.. But I'm just another player, and I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to learn new ideas in DnD. I'm semi new to playing, so I was trying to figure it out. You know?

Ah, okay. Thought you were the DM, sorry about that. :)


mrcarter11 wrote:
Sidenote, is the duskblade spell list ever expanded outside of PH2. A duskblade in our party uses true strike often, but I don't see it on their spell list in the book.

Apart from feats like Extra Spell, AFAIK not, but usually the DM allows some additional spells. I've never seen a duskblade without true strike and some additional touch-spells...


I'm pretty sure that your confusion regarding the Duskblade spell list stems from the PH2's extremely confusing layout. The Duskblade description says that spells are drawn from the duskblade spell list on page 98. The spell list on page 98, however, is ONLY the new spells for the PH2. The actual duskblade complete spell list can be found at the very end of the duskblade character entry on page 24, right before the start of the Knight entry and after the example duskblade entry.

It's a really stupid place to put the complete spell list, and has caused confusion for quite a few players. If you check that list on page 24, you will see that truestrike, and all the other PH1 spells (shocking grasp, ect) are included on there.


Ranger 19k wrote:


It's a really stupid place to put the complete spell list, and has caused confusion for quite a few players.

Very true. I normally skip right past the example character, as there's usually nothing of interest there (many of the PrC examples don't even meet the prerequisites for that PrC...). Consequently, finding the complete Duskblade spell list was a bit hard for me too :)


AFAIK your character does not need access to the Knowledge Domain to use the Knowledge Devotion feat. I agree, the aim of the feats are for those with the Domains, but they worded it a little funky and left a few loopholes. They used words like "usually" in place of concrete descriptions, and under many of the feats there is no pre-req. I have seen many legitimate Duskblade builds that focused on using the Knowledge Domain feat, due to the vagueness of the wording.


I think actually the biggest problem here is not your lack of knowledge, but the other player's attitude. Unless you were rude or asking at an inconvenient time (such as during his turn of combat) he should have been willing to answer your questions.

Quite frankly some people are too secretive about their character. In my experience it is usually, but not always, because they are doing something shady with it.

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