High level - Epic level products

[Corvinius]

Hey guys i was looking for some threads on this to see if there are any products like this in the works for pathfinder but couldn't find any. I would appreciate any info on this.

[Thazar]

I do not believe they have anything that is "Epic" yet. But they do have some high level modules. I think THIS is the highest one they have planned at the moment.

[Corvinius]

Do you think it would be to much to ask for them to go back and make part 6-10 for each adventure path? A fresh 500 page epic rule book would be nice too.

[Gorbacz]

Yeah, it would be too much :)

[Thazar]

There are a fair number of threads kicking around these boards from the last year or two about Epic. The short answer is that they will do it eventually... but they will probably do it from the ground up in a manor fairly different then epic in 3E.

I think the gossip is they will cap at level 36 to give the game a nod to the old boxed sets, specifically I think it was the black box set that covered the master rules up to level 36 if my memory serves.

In either case I do not think you will see anything for a year or two at the earliest. And while they may have a module that plays off the end of an adventure path I do not think they would add directly to those. New adventure paths however may be planned to last past level 15 or so.

[Corvinius]

I guess i could deal with an adventure path taking you up to level 20 until some new rules come out for the epic stuff.

[Gorbacz]

The major problem with up to lvl 20 APs is that in order to challenge a lvl 20 party you need a CR 21+ creature. And current rules don't really get that far.

Also, Paizo's experience from Dragon era shows that epic stuff doesn't sell that great.

[Malagant]

I'd like to see a well thought out Epic level handbook, but it should also include challenges for epic level characters that don't involve super powered creatures. Kobolds in sufficient numbers can challenge any level character under the right circumstances.

[James Jacobs]

Malagant wrote:

I'd like to see a well thought out Epic level handbook, but it should also include challenges for epic level characters that don't involve super powered creatures. Kobolds in sufficient numbers can challenge any level character under the right circumstances.

If you mean: "It'd be cool for an epic character to be able to take on an entire army by himself," I agree.

If you mean: "It'd be cool to see a handful of kobolds cheat and humiliate an epic level character through a mix of arbitrary rules and GM chicanery," I disagree.

[Jeremy Mcgillan]

Right now I think the paizo staff are overworked to the max. With the APG just being released, the end of convention season, the start of a new AP, the Bestiary II out in 2 months, and a new rulebook on the slate for early next year, you likely won't see it soon. I too would love to see some high level and epic adventures, and I'm sure there are some paizo staffers and contributors who would love it as well. But I say give them a little more time to work out epic level play for their rule set. Epic level play can be cumbersome at best and full of nothing but insta-death effects at worst and full of frustration in between. Likely my guess is once we see an "epic-level handbook" released by them epic adventures will follow.