
Lindisty |

Woodraven wrote:My cat Tigger is around 14-15 I cant count so well. I got him when I was in 5th or 6th grade. He was declawed so he wouldn't destroy the furnature(sp?)but he was also let out to explore the wild. At one point last year '09 he ran out of my brothers apt and was out in the wild for 5 weeks and survived. now he stays with me and doesn't go out. I hope he lives a long lifeBijou is the only one that is not declawed. If Kali wasn't such a bully when he's feeling randy, I would have removed them by now. If/when I do, I'll pay more for the laser removal method. I find the old-fashioned claw yanking to be abhorrent.
Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.

Woodraven |

Urizen wrote:Woodraven wrote:My cat Tigger is around 14-15 I cant count so well. I got him when I was in 5th or 6th grade. He was declawed so he wouldn't destroy the furnature(sp?)but he was also let out to explore the wild. At one point last year '09 he ran out of my brothers apt and was out in the wild for 5 weeks and survived. now he stays with me and doesn't go out. I hope he lives a long lifeBijou is the only one that is not declawed. If Kali wasn't such a bully when he's feeling randy, I would have removed them by now. If/when I do, I'll pay more for the laser removal method. I find the old-fashioned claw yanking to be abhorrent.Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
I wish we never declawed our cat because we eventually let him wander outside at our old house and he protected his property without any real weapons, then that stunt of him lasting 5 weeks in the wild without claws truely hurt, guess it is good that he is smart as all hell. He can even open doors at the handle. Now to just get him to close them all would be good.

Urizen |

Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
When they're older, I'm inclined to agree. But the twins, I had them declawed in the front the same time as I had them 'fixed' via laser. They were bouncing around within 36 hours. I've not come across anything traumatic to indicate otherwise.
Kali was already declawed when I acquired him.
EDIT: I keep all of them indoors, although Kali manages to be an excellent escape artist now and then when we're taking too long to come inside when carrying in groceries and he was right around the door when it was opened. I'm convinced he's a ninja.

Eric Swanson |

Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
Good info here, as I have just gotten a kitten as a pet. He does love using his claws a lot, but I feel no urge to declaw him at this time. Neutering on the other hand...is on the agenda, he he.

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

Urizen wrote:Woodraven wrote:My cat Tigger is around 14-15 I cant count so well. I got him when I was in 5th or 6th grade. He was declawed so he wouldn't destroy the furnature(sp?)but he was also let out to explore the wild. At one point last year '09 he ran out of my brothers apt and was out in the wild for 5 weeks and survived. now he stays with me and doesn't go out. I hope he lives a long lifeBijou is the only one that is not declawed. If Kali wasn't such a bully when he's feeling randy, I would have removed them by now. If/when I do, I'll pay more for the laser removal method. I find the old-fashioned claw yanking to be abhorrent.Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
Thank you. I feel very strongly about this as well. So I understand.

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

Lindisty wrote:Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
When they're older, I'm inclined to agree. But the twins, I had them declawed in the front the same time as I had them 'fixed' via laser. They were bouncing around within 36 hours. I've not come across anything traumatic to indicate otherwise.
Kali was already declawed when I acquired him.
EDIT: I keep all of them indoors, although Kali manages to be an excellent escape artist now and then when we're taking too long to come inside when carrying in groceries and he was right around the door when it was opened. I'm convinced he's a ninja.
All of my cats are indoor cats and they are not declawed. It is just a matter of giving them outlets for their scratching habits and making sure they understand that scratching furniture is not good. It still happens from time to time, but I can handle that compared to this.

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While I do not currently have a dog or a cat.I have never had a cat declawed. I have never honestly even considered it. Of course I am also the type of guy who never clipped a dogs tail or had the ears trimmed either. All the pets I had lived long and healthy lives. I was never even inconvenienced in the least.
I do however believe that they should all be spayed an neutered.

Urizen |

All of my cats are indoor cats and they are not declawed. It is just a matter of giving them outlets for their scratching habits and making sure they understand that scratching furniture is not good. It still happens from time to time, but I can handle that compared to this.
The twins do not have digital amputation. In essence, their claws were 'burned out' if that makes any sense? They still go through the motions as if they're trying to 'claw' something.

Urizen |

While I do not currently have a dog or a cat.I have never had a cat declawed. I have never honestly even considered it. Of course I am also the type of guy who never clipped a dogs tail or had the ears trimmed either. All the pets I had lived long and healthy lives. I was never even inconvenienced in the least.
I do however believe that they should all be spayed an neutered.
I refuse to dock a dog's tail, ears, or even remove their dew claws.
I spent upwards of $600 for the pair to have the front claws removed as humanely as possible at the same time they got neutered. I can live with the results.

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

Lindisty wrote:Thank you. I feel very strongly about this as well. So I understand.Urizen wrote:Woodraven wrote:My cat Tigger is around 14-15 I cant count so well. I got him when I was in 5th or 6th grade. He was declawed so he wouldn't destroy the furnature(sp?)but he was also let out to explore the wild. At one point last year '09 he ran out of my brothers apt and was out in the wild for 5 weeks and survived. now he stays with me and doesn't go out. I hope he lives a long lifeBijou is the only one that is not declawed. If Kali wasn't such a bully when he's feeling randy, I would have removed them by now. If/when I do, I'll pay more for the laser removal method. I find the old-fashioned claw yanking to be abhorrent.Even the new methods are pretty barbaric, in my opinion. Physiologically speaking, declawing a cat is the same as removing a human being's fingers at the first knuckle. It permanently disables them physically, and often psychologically traumatizes them.
I have pretty strong feelings about this, so if this comes across harshly, I apologize. But if you're considering declawing a cat, I'd urge you to do a good deal of research and understand exactly what it is you're doing to your pet.
Which isn't to say Gregg is evil. At least not for this reason. ;)

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

Allen Taliesin wrote:All of my cats are indoor cats and they are not declawed. It is just a matter of giving them outlets for their scratching habits and making sure they understand that scratching furniture is not good. It still happens from time to time, but I can handle that compared to this.The twins do not have digital amputation. In essence, their claws were 'burned out' if that makes any sense? They still go through the motions as if they're trying to 'claw' something.
I am familiar with the various processes. If you are talking about a laser process it still removes the third knuckle.
My partner is a vet tech and works with a doctor who holds a patent on a particular laser removal process. This vet actually dislikes declawing but was trying to develop a more safer method of doing it since clients are generally uneducated and won't take no for an answer. He admits he still doesn't like it.
You are talking to a person who lives with stories, information, and just about anything you can imagine related to the veterinary field. When you get familiar with the processes there is very little anyone can say that makes me feel good about it.
I have some pretty strong opinions about animal treatment in general.
*Edited for clarity.*

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

In all seriousness though, this isn't a condemnation really. I am just letting you know why I dislike the process so much and why I encourage people not to do it.
But then, my cats are like my kids and I treat them as such. It is likely the closest to children I will ever come, at least in this state.

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In all seriousness though, this isn't a condemnation really. I am just letting you know why I dislike the process so much and why I encourage people not to do it.
But then, my cats are like my kids and I treat them as such. It is likely the closest to children I will ever come, at least in this state.
I feel the same way. A good sisel scratching post or two and training took care of most of the issues. Dante did do a number on the corner of our brand new couch while we were gone on our honeymoon, but both Gary and I figure, if you can't handle those kind of accidents, then don't get a cat!

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G@*!%#N IT!!! We've had the f!!%ing baby registry for months now, with only a few things being purchased. So, now that it's getting down to the wire, the wife and I went to Babies R Us today to get some of the s$$$ on the list that we absolutely needed for when the kid comes home. Then we get home, check the registry to remove stuff we just bought, and wouldn't you f~&~ing know it, a bunch of stuff was purchased! Then the wife gets a call - their having a "surprise baby shower" back home for her.
WTF?!? They couldn't have at least let me know when it was going to be, so we could put off buying stuff? Now it looks like we've got duplicates and I'll have to return s!~@.
F#@&ers!

Lindisty |

And because I don't believe in talking about cats with visual references: Cuddles!!!
Awwww... so cute! :)

Allen Taliesin Clockwork Gnome Publishing |

And because I don't believe in talking about cats with visual references: Cuddles!!!
Very cute!

Lindisty |

In all seriousness though, this isn't a condemnation really. I am just letting you know why I dislike the process so much and why I encourage people not to do it.
But then, my cats are like my kids and I treat them as such. It is likely the closest to children I will ever come, at least in this state.
Thank you for putting the information out there. I feel much the same way about my cats.

Mairkurion {tm} |

Allen Taliesin wrote:In all seriousness though, this isn't a condemnation really. I am just letting you know why I dislike the process so much and why I encourage people not to do it.
But then, my cats are like my kids and I treat them as such. It is likely the closest to children I will ever come, at least in this state.
I feel the same way. A good sisel scratching post or two and training took care of most of the issues. Dante did do a number on the corner of our brand new couch while we were gone on our honeymoon, but both Gary and I figure, if you can't handle those kind of accidents, then don't get a cat!
Leather couches = no cat.
Hooray!Cats are outside animals. Like little children.

Sharoth |

And because I don't believe in talking about cats with visual references: Cuddles!!!
I like cats too. Roasted or Broiled are good, but sometimes you just have to fry them up! ~grins and runs~

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On the subject of declawing cats, veterinary offices often offer the alternative option of gluing plastic caps over the cats' claws.
Say that ten times fast.

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FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
I bought my truck used two and a half years ago (it's eight years old), and had no problems until this winter. As soon as I moved to Syracuse, I'd been having problems with ice inside the truck, and, while changing my wiper blades this afternoon, I discovered why:
Every single seal around every single door and every single window is cracked and peeling off. I have no idea why I never noticed this before. I did a little more digging, and found ice inside the door panels and under the dashboard. The truck runs fine, but still, having ice in your doors is a pain in the ass.

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On the subject of declawing cats, veterinary offices often offer the alternative option of gluing plastic caps over the cats' claws.
Say that ten times fast.
For some reason, I find this as aesthetically displeasing as declawing a cat.

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For some reason, I find this as aesthetically displeasing as declawing a cat.
Hmm, I had never thought people worried about declawing in terms of aesthetics.
To me the idea of going under the knife is an extremely unpleasant idea. Putting someone I love through a process I am personally uncomfortable with having done to myself is even less appealing.
We've been pretty fortunate in that our cats are generally quite good with not clawing stuff.

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Crimson Jester wrote:For some reason, I find this as aesthetically displeasing as declawing a cat.Hmm, I had never thought people worried about declawing in terms of aesthetics.
To me the idea of going under the knife is an extremely unpleasant idea. Putting someone I love through a process I am personally uncomfortable with having done to myself is even less appealing.
We've been pretty fortunate in that our cats are generally quite good with not clawing stuff.
I am sorry, I wrote that poorly, I find the permanent nail polish visually displeasing.
Removed a lot more I wrote because I think it would just confuse the matter more :D

Solnes |

Crimson Jester wrote:For some reason, I find this as aesthetically displeasing as declawing a cat.Hmm, I had never thought people worried about declawing in terms of aesthetics.
To me the idea of going under the knife is an extremely unpleasant idea. Putting someone I love through a process I am personally uncomfortable with having done to myself is even less appealing.
We've been pretty fortunate in that our cats are generally quite good with not clawing stuff.
Both Paizo and Blix claw a bit, but all you have to do is say...'Cat!' And they stop.

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Everybody's got to have a hobby. And I want this guy's.
Wow... coolest thing I've seen all week!
You had me at "RC helicopter hunting hydrogen balloons with roman candles"!!

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I am sorry, I wrote that poorly, I find the permanent nail polish visually displeasing.
Removed a lot more I wrote because I think it would just confuse the matter more :D
Yeah, I agree, the claw covers are a bit weird looking but you can get them in whatever color you want :)
To me it's not the appearance of those thigns, it's the fact that you have to re-apply every month or so. We like that cats are low maintenance.

Woodraven |

Woodraven wrote:Nope.... No breaks.Solnes wrote:Sleepy!! And hubby won't let me be sleepy. :PI was about to say, is LPM not giving you your mandatory break every 2 hours and lunch if shift is over 4 hours?
get some gatorade, you need to replenish those electrolytes from serious, vigorus activity