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Studpuffin wrote:You should offer a demonstration of your appreciation.Treppa wrote:I like 'em.Lilith wrote:All I gotsta say is "Hooray for Boobies" (the real kind, not the silicone ones...'cause those are made for toys.)Meh, they're not so great. They get in the way for golf and archery and other sports. They hurt. They give you bad posture. They bounce all over when you try to run or ride a horse.
Boobies are overrated.
The cops said I should really stop doing that.

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Urizen wrote:The cops said I should really stop doing that.Studpuffin wrote:You should offer a demonstration of your appreciation.Treppa wrote:I like 'em.Lilith wrote:All I gotsta say is "Hooray for Boobies" (the real kind, not the silicone ones...'cause those are made for toys.)Meh, they're not so great. They get in the way for golf and archery and other sports. They hurt. They give you bad posture. They bounce all over when you try to run or ride a horse.
Boobies are overrated.
You to huh?
When does your Restraining Order expire?

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Urizen wrote:My patriotic duty, would you say?Studpuffin wrote:You should offer a demonstration of your appreciation.Treppa wrote:I like 'em.Lilith wrote:All I gotsta say is "Hooray for Boobies" (the real kind, not the silicone ones...'cause those are made for toys.)Meh, they're not so great. They get in the way for golf and archery and other sports. They hurt. They give you bad posture. They bounce all over when you try to run or ride a horse.
Boobies are overrated.
Patriotic? I was thinking more of a Patron of the Finer (T)arts.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.lynora wrote:Moorluck wrote:Freehold DM wrote:Moorluck wrote:Am I the only guy around here who thinks Seoni needs to be re-imagined? I mean she is whorribly over done IMO.Please turn your male card in to the nearest shredder.
And if you need implants to get to Seoni's modest level of femininity, then something is wrong. Or, to one of my best friends, quite right(he likes the waifish look).
Heh, told ya I was in the minority. Her whole look is just overdone, I like a woman who can come across strong and sexy, not just slutty.
As for breast, some of the pics of her look like she was f@#*ing a plastic surgeon for freebies before she turned to using her impressive array of STDs to slay her enemies. :P
It is an impressive anti-gravity field those seem to have....
But I am often distracted by wondering when she's going to get some antihistamines.... I really hate the red noses. It ends up looking like the characters all have colds. Bugs the s#*@ out of me. The red is supposed to go higher up on the nose. Across the bridge, not the tip.
Wayne Reynolds is the only person I've seen who can do all of the iconics well, consistently. ...Because he designed them in the first place.
Aping another artist's characters to the letter is ridiculously hard, and I'm not surprised at all that there has been wonky artwork and fluctuations in appearance.
And as far as red noses go, just be glad that Skip Liepke isn't doing Pathfinder covers.
+1. Can't put my finger on why, but it just feels wrong.

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My stand on Liefeld:I have no idea how this guy got into the comics business, and I have no idea how he got so popular so quickly. Maybe he sold his soul to Galactus. I have no idea. The comics he produced during his heyday were so terrible that I feel a little sick when I think about them.
As a human being, he seems like a really nice guy. I've seen him interviewed, and though his ego is larger than most, he takes criticism of his work in stride. My impression is that he draws comics for fun, always has, and always will.
After nearly a decade-long hiatus, Liefeld has recently come back on the scene with a more professional attitude, and, according to recent interviews, art lessons. His artwork these days, while not good by any standards, is no longer all that shockingly bad.
Basically, from what I can tell, Rob Liefeld is a goofy, upbeat, untrained hack who draws for fun, has no idea why he got popular in the first place, and doesn't care what anyone thinks. I don't like his work, but I can respect his attitude.
Pretty accurate stand IMHO
The reason he became popular was very simple. His art showed motion, and action to it. When he came out few other artists, did. Not that this means he was any good per se, but rather he was doing something few of the much better artists were. Conveying action. Which is all but essential for the genre.

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Freehold DM wrote:I have to agree with you on the size of her figure, but I totally agree with Moorluck on the whole blond gypsy thing. It doesn't make her look exotic. It makes her look cheap. And that's coming from someone who has a bit of a thing for blonds.Moorluck wrote:Am I the only guy around here who thinks Seoni needs to be re-imagined? I mean she is whorribly over done IMO.Please turn your male card in to the nearest shredder.
And if you need implants to get to Seoni's modest level of femininity, then something is wrong. Or, to one of my best friends, quite right(he likes the waifish look).
I thought she was a Shoanti. Don't get me wrong, I don't get what others see in her, I just didn't think she was Varisian, just from Varisia. That's why she looks like a bleached blond bimbo.
EDIT: I was wrong, oh so wrong...she is mostly Varisian. MOSTLY! And she looks like that!

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Lilith wrote:All I gotsta say is "Hooray for Boobies" (the real kind, not the silicone ones...'cause those are made for toys.)Meh, they're not so great. They get in the way for golf and archery and other sports. They hurt. They give you bad posture. They bounce all over when you try to run or ride a horse.
Boobies are overrated.
I have often questioned their purpose, outside of biological uses such as the feeding of children.
Oh wait, I have played some great tunes on the boobs of my friends. But usually only when they are laced up in a bodice. And before you ask, I used to work at the local Ren Faire.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.lynora wrote:Moorluck wrote:Freehold DM wrote:Moorluck wrote:Am I the only guy around here who thinks Seoni needs to be re-imagined? I mean she is whorribly over done IMO.Please turn your male card in to the nearest shredder.
And if you need implants to get to Seoni's modest level of femininity, then something is wrong. Or, to one of my best friends, quite right(he likes the waifish look).
Heh, told ya I was in the minority. Her whole look is just overdone, I like a woman who can come across strong and sexy, not just slutty.
As for breast, some of the pics of her look like she was f@#*ing a plastic surgeon for freebies before she turned to using her impressive array of STDs to slay her enemies. :P
It is an impressive anti-gravity field those seem to have....
But I am often distracted by wondering when she's going to get some antihistamines.... I really hate the red noses. It ends up looking like the characters all have colds. Bugs the s#*@ out of me. The red is supposed to go higher up on the nose. Across the bridge, not the tip.
Wayne Reynolds is the only person I've seen who can do all of the iconics well, consistently. ...Because he designed them in the first place.
Aping another artist's characters to the letter is ridiculously hard, and I'm not surprised at all that there has been wonky artwork and fluctuations in appearance.
And as far as red noses go, just be glad that Skip Liepke isn't doing Pathfinder covers.
I'd climb all over his depiction of Valeros in a second. Otherwise, I tend to agree.

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lynora wrote:I thought she was a Shoanti. Don't get me wrong, I don't get what others see in her, I just didn't think she was Varisian, just from Varisia. That's why she looks like a bleached blond bimbo.Freehold DM wrote:I have to agree with you on the size of her figure, but I totally agree with Moorluck on the whole blond gypsy thing. It doesn't make her look exotic. It makes her look cheap. And that's coming from someone who has a bit of a thing for blonds.Moorluck wrote:Am I the only guy around here who thinks Seoni needs to be re-imagined? I mean she is whorribly over done IMO.Please turn your male card in to the nearest shredder.
And if you need implants to get to Seoni's modest level of femininity, then something is wrong. Or, to one of my best friends, quite right(he likes the waifish look).
That said, I would not mind seeing her re-envisioned as a true Varisian.

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Treppa wrote:Lilith wrote:All I gotsta say is "Hooray for Boobies" (the real kind, not the silicone ones...'cause those are made for toys.)Meh, they're not so great. They get in the way for golf and archery and other sports. They hurt. They give you bad posture. They bounce all over when you try to run or ride a horse.
Boobies are overrated.
I have often questioned their purpose, outside of biological uses such as the feeding of children.
Oh wait, I have played some great tunes on the boobs of my friends. But usually only when they are laced up in a bodice. And before you ask, I used to work at the local Ren Faire.
I just can't type what I am thinking. You all would think it was Urizen taking over my account. :D

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:WHERE IS THIS FROM!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?Freehold DM wrote:Moorluck wrote:She's cute. She reminds me of a more out-there version of a friend of mine. Also, she's Sagittarian.Freehold DM wrote:.........but....why?.....Moorluck wrote:I loves me some Britney.Solnes' take on Seoni:
Seoni, "Heeeeeey y'all, ah'm like here to like save the day an' stuff y'all, is it hot in here 'er is it jus' me?"
~Falls down as she drunkenly tries to spin on a nearby pole.~Yes folks, Seoni is played by Brittney Spears in our minds. :D
As we make introductions
I’m struck by her beauty
She’s irrefutably fair
With dark eyes and dark hair
But as she sits
I admit I’m a little bit wary
because I notice the tip of the wing of a fairy
Tattooed on that popular area
Just above the derrière
And when she says “I’m Sagittarian”
I confess a pigeonhole starts to form
And is immediately filled with pigeon
When she says her name is Storm.

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Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.
Who would you have picked to do the iconics?

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Moorluck wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.Who would you have picked to do the iconics?
Hmmm, good question.
Lockwood. He can get gritty and I prefer his style over that of the talented Mr. Reynolds.
EDIT: I understand that Lockwood is synonymous with D&D however, but hey you asked me who I would've picked so I figured if I was gonna be wishin', I'd wish big. lol

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Moorluck wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.Who would you have picked to do the iconics?Hmmm, good question.
Lockwood. He can get gritty and I prefer his style over that of the talented Mr. Reynolds.
I dig them both--Lockwood is my other favorite living fantasy artist (no one can top Frazetta. Ever). Still, I think his artwork was more identified with the Forgotten Realms. In my opinion, every setting needs its own definitive art style.

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Moorluck wrote:I dig them both--Lockwood is my other favorite living fantasy artist (no one can top Frazetta. Ever). Still, I think his artwork was more identified with the Forgotten Realms. In my opinion, every setting needs its own definitive art style.The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Moorluck wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.Who would you have picked to do the iconics?Hmmm, good question.
Lockwood. He can get gritty and I prefer his style over that of the talented Mr. Reynolds.
Absolutely, see my above edit. lol.
I would like to say again though, I wish to take nothing away from Wayne, dude is an awesome talent. It's kind of like how I can say I think a certain music artist has talent, but I dislike their music. It doesn't mean it's crap, just not my preference.

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The reason he became popular was very simple. His art showed motion, and action to it. When he came out few other artists, did. Not that this means he was any good per se, but rather he was doing something few of the much better artists were. Conveying action. Which is all but essential for the genre.
I may be wrong, as I only caught the tail-end of Liefeld Mania when I was a kid, but I really don't remember a lot of motion.
Especially in his comic book covers.
Granted, at the age of nine, I was more into this stuff than "Youngbloods" (the super-team, not the band), so my perspective may be skewed. Still, even Spawn (I still can't believe I thought Spawn was the greatest thing ever, but I did) had better lines of action than ...this.

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I've got to say, I've appreciated WAR more as he has grown on me over time--at first I found him really annoying. I'd still prefer Lockwood, Parkinson (RIP), or Elmore. But don't let Elmore draw dragons. Poor cross-eyed bastards.
On an unrelated note, at what point did Blood+ get so freaking boring?

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Moorluck wrote:Wayne Reynolds is one of those cases where I salute a mans talent and skill, but don't like the outcome. And he is far more talented than many, myself included goes without saying, but his depiction of the iconics just doesn't do it for me. I KNOW this is an area where we disagree, his skill is impressive, but I just don't like the end result.Who would you have picked to do the iconics?Hmmm, good question.
Lockwood. He can get gritty and I prefer his style over that of the talented Mr. Reynolds.
EDIT: I understand that Lockwood is synonymous with D&D however, but hey you asked me who I would've picked so I figured if I was gonna be wishin', I'd wish big. lol
I agree...Lockwood. His style is more how I perceive adventure fantasy gaming in general and Golarion more specifically.

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Granted, at the age of nine, I was more into this stuff than "Youngbloods" (the super-team, not the band), so my perspective may be skewed.
Stop reminding me how old I am by telling us how young you are... :P

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Granted, at the age of nine, I was more into this stuff than "Youngbloods" (the super-team, not the band), so my perspective may be skewed.Stop reminding me how old I am by telling us how young you are... :P
Stop reminding me of my youth and inexperience by bringing up your advanced age.

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Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.

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The numbered hex grid is finally done. I am pretty happy with the results .

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Ashe Ravenheart wrote:Stop reminding me of my youth and inexperience by bringing up your advanced age.The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Granted, at the age of nine, I was more into this stuff than "Youngbloods" (the super-team, not the band), so my perspective may be skewed.Stop reminding me how old I am by telling us how young you are... :P
Be at ease, as time goes on you will gain wisdom.... unfortunately by that time it will be too late to use it. :/

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I've got to say, I've appreciated WAR more as he has grown on me over time--at first I found him really annoying. I'd still prefer Lockwood, Parkinson (RIP), or Elmore. But don't let Elmore draw dragons. Poor cross-eyed bastards.
Seconded on Elmore's dragons.
As for WAR, I can honestly say that up until the mid-00s, he wasn't all that good. I think he was still finding his style. For example, compare his work for D&D 3.0 (199-2000) with some of his work from Magic: the Gathering (2007) or Pathfinder (2009-2010) There is a marked difference, even over just seven or eight years.

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I've got to say, I've appreciated WAR more as he has grown on me over time--at first I found him really annoying. I'd still prefer Lockwood, Parkinson (RIP), or Elmore. But please let Elmore draw elven princesses in chains. Poor cross-eyed bastards.
On an unrelated note, at what point did Blood+ get so freaking boring?
Fixed that for you Professor. ;)

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Fixed that for you Professor. ;)I've got to say, I've appreciated WAR more as he has grown on me over time--at first I found him really annoying. I'd still prefer Lockwood, Parkinson (RIP), or Elmore. But please let Elmore draw elven princesses in chains. Poor cross-eyed bastards.
On an unrelated note, at what point did Blood+ get so freaking boring?
Cross-eyed elven princesses?

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Allen Taliesin wrote:That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
Do tell. I was familiar with it only from stumbling across it online years ago, I never saw the story.

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Crimson Jester wrote:The reason he became popular was very simple. His art showed motion, and action to it. When he came out few other artists, did. Not that this means he was any good per se, but rather he was doing something few of the much better artists were. Conveying action. Which is all but essential for the genre.I may be wrong, as I only caught the tail-end of Liefeld Mania when I was a kid, but I really don't remember a lot of motion.
Especially in his comic book covers.
Granted, at the age of nine, I was more into this stuff than "Youngbloods" (the super-team, not the band), so my perspective may be skewed. Still, even Spawn (I still can't believe I thought Spawn was the greatest thing ever, but I did) had better lines of action than ...this.
Most of this is being blocked from work. I will chock it up to good taste. Yes he is a horrid artist. I do not understand it either. I just remember the why's and whereof's being passed around at the time. His art was very different. As much as they made of it I still would never call it good.

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The numbered hex grid is finally done. I am pretty happy with the results .
Beautiful! I really like the fact that you toned the hex grid down so it doesn't overwhelm the map. Bravo!

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Allen Taliesin wrote:Beautiful! I really like the fact that you toned the hex grid down so it doesn't overwhelm the map. Bravo!The numbered hex grid is finally done. I am pretty happy with the results .
Thank you.
Now I just need to get up the guts and post some stuff about the new company in the third party publisher section.

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Ever wonder what happened to Sybil from the movie?
** spoiler omitted **
Oh my, how terrible.

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Moorluck wrote:Do tell. I was familiar with it only from stumbling across it online years ago, I never saw the story.Allen Taliesin wrote:That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
It appeared in Realms of Fantasyback in '95, written by Tanith Lee. It'd be hard to find now, but if you could it would be worth the effort.

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Allen Taliesin wrote:Beautiful! I really like the fact that you toned the hex grid down so it doesn't overwhelm the map. Bravo!The numbered hex grid is finally done. I am pretty happy with the results .
Thank you.
Now I just need to get up the guts and post some stuff about the new company in the third party publisher section.
Better hurry before we do it for you and fill in the blanks with stuff you have never heard of. *:)=*

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:It appeared in Realms of Fantasyback in '95, written by Tanith Lee. It'd be hard to find now, but if you could it would be worth the effort.Moorluck wrote:Do tell. I was familiar with it only from stumbling across it online years ago, I never saw the story.Allen Taliesin wrote:That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
Really? I shall have to look, I think I have all of those.

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Moorluck wrote:Really? I shall have to look, I think I have all of those.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:It appeared in Realms of Fantasyback in '95, written by Tanith Lee. It'd be hard to find now, but if you could it would be worth the effort.Moorluck wrote:Do tell. I was familiar with it only from stumbling across it online years ago, I never saw the story.Allen Taliesin wrote:That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
Dig 'em out. I wish I had kept mine, but they all got gone somehow or another.

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Crimson Jester wrote:Dig 'em out. I wish I had kept mine, but they all got gone somehow or another.Moorluck wrote:Really? I shall have to look, I think I have all of those.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:It appeared in Realms of Fantasyback in '95, written by Tanith Lee. It'd be hard to find now, but if you could it would be worth the effort.Moorluck wrote:Do tell. I was familiar with it only from stumbling across it online years ago, I never saw the story.Allen Taliesin wrote:That's the one. And the story it was done for is fantastic, IMO.Moorluck wrote:As an aside, I think "Death Loves Me"(?) is my favorite Lockwood piece.Death Loves Me
They are in fact dug out. My wife gave me a subscription last year. Right before they were put out of business again. Which is really weird since I now have the first year and the last year but few in between.

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Emperor7 wrote:Are you sure you don't work for Typhoid Mary?Ever wonder what happened to Sybil from the movie?
** spoiler omitted **
Don't you start insulting my ancestors now.