
Utgardloki |

o I am playing a PC who is a sorcerer/bard, and committed to taking a level of druid next level, which would make her Sorcerer 1/Bard 3/Druid 1.
Not a very optimum multiclass combo, but she's fun to play.
I think it would be a good idea to look at prestige classes that would help build on the strengths of this kind of build.
I'm considering the Mystic Theurge and the Virtuoso classes. Possibly Duelist, but that seems unlikely given her low BAB score.
Stats so far:
1/2 elf sor 1/brd 3.
Elemental bloodline (earth)
Versatile Performance (Acting)
STR 12, CON 12, DEX 14, INT 14, WIS 15, CHA 18
BAB +2, Melee +3, Ranged +4, CMB +3, CMD 13
HD 4, hp 38, Fort Save +3, Ref Save +6, Will Save +8
AC 14, Touch AC 14, Flat-Footed AC 11
Feats: Dodge, Mobility
Important Equipment: Amulet of Deflection (+1 to AC), Cloak of Resistance (+1 to all saves), Swan Boat Feather Token, +1 spear, Grey Stone of Alarm, heavy crossbow, two javelins, longspear, two daggers.
Sorcerer spells known: Clean, Daze, Detect Magic, Light, Mage Armor, Grease
Bard spells known: Color, Flare, Ghost Sound, Mage Hand, Mending, Read Magic, Expeditious Retreat, Feather Fall, Dolorous Sadness, Unseen Servant.
Skills: Acrobatics +9, Climb +5, Diplomacy +8, Heal +3, Intimidate +8, Knowledge (Arcana, Local, Nature, or The Planes) +7, Knowledge (other) +3, Linguistics +7, Perception +11, Perform (Act) +9, Perform (Sing) +10, Ride +3, Sense Motive +6, Survival +9, Swim +2, Use Magic Device +9

SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |

Honestly, I would work with your DM to make a unique, campaign-specific PrC for your Mother Earth Singer.
What is your role in the party? Try to emphasize that so you can contribute more. Lots of low level spells with low caster levels are usually not as effective as a few high level spells with a high caster level. I'm guessing you're support, but with such a low caster level, low BAB, and scattering of abilities, you might be a bit of a liability to your fellow players. Every character has their own role and shines in their own way, but you might be trying to do to much stuff and not succeeding as much as you like.
If it's a roleplaying heavy game, or all the other PCs are as non-optimized as yours, then my above suggestions might be hogwash. It would be fun to play in a campaign that allowed PCs to be extremely multi-faceted, especially if the DM designed the campaign to work that way. So if the other players are also 5th level with 2 or 3 classes each, cool!!!
EDIT: It looks like you forgot your halfelf Skill Focus feat and you forgot to add your Dex bonus to your CMD.

Utgardloki |

Honestly, I would work with your DM to make a unique, campaign-specific PrC for your Mother Earth Singer.
What is your role in the party? Try to emphasize that so you can contribute more. Lots of low level spells with low caster levels are usually not as effective as a few high level spells with a high caster level. I'm guessing you're support, but with such a low caster level, low BAB, and scattering of abilities, you might be a bit of a liability to your fellow players. Every character has their own role and shines in their own way, but you might be trying to do to much stuff and not succeeding as much as you like.
If it's a roleplaying heavy game, or all the other PCs are as non-optimized as yours, then my above suggestions might be hogwash. It would be fun to play in a campaign that allowed PCs to be extremely multi-faceted, especially if the DM designed the campaign to work that way. So if the other players are also 5th level with 2 or 3 classes each, cool!!!
EDIT: It looks like you forgot your halfelf Skill Focus feat and you forgot to add your Dex bonus to your CMD.
The half-elf focus went to Survival, which is why that is so high.
That is one of the ways my PC can contribute, with high bonuses in certain skills. For example, if the party is in the forest without food, well, to my character they have an all-you-can-eat buffet. Currently we have a Paladin and a Cleric on the path to becoming a Mystic Theurge.
She's doing well in the support role, not only with her Bardic abilities. She recently used Grease to save a PC from a grapple, had Feather Fall ready in case anybody fell while heading down a treacherous drop, and used Expeditious Retreat to run down an NPC thief. She used Mending to save a couple of the party's weapons. Wizards of course could have these spells on scrolls, but scrolls are expensive, and who is going to have these kinds of utility spells ready on a second's notice?
Her longspear and mobility allows her to harass enemies without getting into toe-to-toe combat. In the last battle, she used her acrobatics and Mobility to attack and move away, and when the monster went after her, everybody got an AoA. That wasn't good for the monster.

Sean FitzSimon |

SmiloDan wrote:Honestly, I would work with your DM to make a unique, campaign-specific PrC for your Mother Earth Singer.
What is your role in the party? Try to emphasize that so you can contribute more. Lots of low level spells with low caster levels are usually not as effective as a few high level spells with a high caster level. I'm guessing you're support, but with such a low caster level, low BAB, and scattering of abilities, you might be a bit of a liability to your fellow players. Every character has their own role and shines in their own way, but you might be trying to do to much stuff and not succeeding as much as you like.
If it's a roleplaying heavy game, or all the other PCs are as non-optimized as yours, then my above suggestions might be hogwash. It would be fun to play in a campaign that allowed PCs to be extremely multi-faceted, especially if the DM designed the campaign to work that way. So if the other players are also 5th level with 2 or 3 classes each, cool!!!
EDIT: It looks like you forgot your halfelf Skill Focus feat and you forgot to add your Dex bonus to your CMD.
The half-elf focus went to Survival, which is why that is so high.
That is one of the ways my PC can contribute, with high bonuses in certain skills. For example, if the party is in the forest without food, well, to my character they have an all-you-can-eat buffet. Currently we have a Paladin and a Cleric on the path to becoming a Mystic Theurge.
She's doing well in the support role, not only with her Bardic abilities. She recently used Grease to save a PC from a grapple, had Feather Fall ready in case anybody fell while heading down a treacherous drop, and used Expeditious Retreat to run down an NPC thief. She used Mending to save a couple of the party's weapons. Wizards of course could have these spells on scrolls, but scrolls are expensive, and who is going to have these kinds of utility spells ready on a second's notice?
Her longspear and mobility allows her to harass enemies...
I think that SmiloDan was trying to say "don't screw yourself." At low levels (1-6) it's easy to play these sorts of builds because your base attack bonus isn't too far behind the rest of the party, and your magical equipment isn't going to be as tough. But when you start getting into the mid levels (7-14) you'll really feel the sting of multiclassing. Right now you're a bard with some extra utility from your single sorcerer level, but in 5 or so levels you'll be a little bard, a little druid, a little sorcerer, and a little useful. Remember that the higher level encounters require higher level abilities (multiple attacks for better damage, stronger spells/utility, etc) to complete successfully- the game changes drastically.
What sort of sorcerer are you? I sorta assume that you're a fey bloodline sorcerer, which would fit your build concept perfectly. Your *best* bet here is going to be talking to your DM to build a new prestige class for you. I can't, off the top of my head, think of anything that really fits this.
There's the Fochlucan Lyrist from the Complete Adventurer which is sorta right up your alley. It's a prestige class that requires Bard, Druid, & evasion. It then progresses Arcane & Divine spellcasting, as well as Bardic Performance & Bardic Knowledge. If you could get your DM to waive the evasion requirement you could split your next 6 levels between Sorcerer & Druid (or go all one or the other) and enter the class at 10 (use the prestige class to progress Sorcerer spellcasting- it's stronger).
Or, you could ask your DM to help you build a prestige class just for your concept. If you're of the fey bloodline, you could eschew druid levels altogether and have a prestige class that advances sorcerer spellcasting (and bloodline abilities), bardic music, and adds druid spells to your spells known over the course of the class. This would give you all the flavor you want without hampering your ability to contribute in the later levels.
Just a few ideas for ya.

SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |

DmRrostarr wrote:Muahahaha!I dont have the book in front of me so I will butcher the name badly, but in Complete Adventurer there was a Foclyn-ish Lyricist that I know used bard and druid to qualify for the PrC
EDIT: Dammit ninja-ed by an owl...
Owls make excellent ninjas because they are silent, but deadly.
EDIT: I think she's an Earth Elemental Bloodline Sorcerer. So she's got that nifty 1d6 acid damage ranged touch attack 7/day. Which is nothing to sneeze at at low levels, but at higher levels, might need some kind of boost, damage-wise. At least it helps overcome her eventually lower-than-average BAB by being a ranged TOUCH attack....

Lathiira |

Either modifying the Fochlucan lyrist from Complete Adventurer or perhaps the Arcane hierophant from the Races of the Wild make sense to me, depending on how you want to develop. Tweak the lyrist and then progress your sorcerer and druid spells, or take the hierophant and develop your animal companion and those same 2 classes.

SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |

Can you explain WHY you are committed to the druid class? A Sorcerer 1/Bard X is going to be a lot better long term than Sorcerer 1/Bard X/Druid Y.
But a druidy-earthy sorceress-bardy PrC might be fun to design, too. It seems like you enjoy support, getting allies out of a jam, using mobility and reach, and creating opportunities for your allies.
Also, it sounds like you have a small party of versatile characters (paladin as tank/healer/face, mystic theurge as cleric/wizard?, you as bard++) that don't mind trading off power for versatility. That's pretty cool. It means your DM can keep you challenged with lower CR critters, so you get to experience a wide range of the lower-level classics. Neat.
It sounds like the paladin is going to be good at dealing with the single BBEG, the mystic theurge should be pretty good at dealing with Area Effects and battlefield control, leaving you to provide support and picking off the stragglers.