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Story I personally think that a lot of this is just piling on, a bunch of punk kids doing something they know can get a rise out of somebody else.
That's a shame. You'd think in a place as diverse as LA that people would have learned to live with each other, but it's the same old tribal civilization story.
San Diego, and East San Diego county is full of ignorant rednecks.
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Story I personally think that a lot of this is just piling on, a bunch of punk kids doing something they know can get a rise out of somebody else.But now THIS
2 incidents on 1 campus can easily turn the campus into a very racially tense area.
Actually I think the count is up to four or five now.
That's a shame. You'd think in a place as diverse as LA that people would have learned to live with each other, but it's the same old tribal civilization story.
I went to an extremely diverse high school in the L.A. region and I can tell you that it increased rather than decreased the amount of racial friction that existed on campus. Sadly we had a small but very vocal contengent of neo-nazis on campus and the problem only seemed to be getting worse when I graduated.
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That's a shame. You'd think in a place as diverse as LA that people would have learned to live with each other, but it's the same old tribal civilization story.San Diego, and East San Diego county is full of ignorant rednecks.
Plus I heard in news reports yesterday that African-Americans make up only 2% of the student body. That could account for some of the reason why people think they can get away with this crap.
Frankly racists are the lowest form of life to me, just like homphobes. Sick degenerates. Hating someone for their skin color is the most ridiculous thing on the face of this earth. People are people no matter what color they are.
Agreed, Racism is pure ignorance.
Frankly racists are the lowest form of life to me, just like homphobes. Sick degenerates. Hating someone for their skin color is the most ridiculous thing on the face of this earth. People are people no matter what color they are.Agreed, Racism is pure ignorance.
I fear I must disagree with the latter statement. I have always considered racism and ignorance to be two very different animals, although they often sup at the same trough. Ignorance CAN be cured/improved upon through years of positive exposure and a willingness to believe that, just maybe, what one heard about a group/saw on tv/watched in the movies/read about online may actually not be true. Racism is that decision turned on its ear, a stubborn refusal to change ones belief system, no matter how many times it has been disproven or how dangerous acting upon those beliefs may be. Indeed, one dances upon the lips of the wyrm, the other leaps down its throat without so much as a backward glance.
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I fear I must disagree with the latter statement. I have always considered racism and ignorance to be two very different animals, although they often sup at the same trough. Ignorance CAN be cured/improved upon through years of positive exposure and a willingness to believe that, just maybe, what one heard about a group/saw on tv/watched in the movies/read about online may actually not be true. Racism is that decision turned on its ear, a stubborn refusal to change ones belief system, no matter how many times it has been disproven or how dangerous acting upon those beliefs may be. Indeed, one dances upon the lips of the wyrm, the other leaps down its throat without so much as a backward glance.Frankly racists are the lowest form of life to me, just like homphobes. Sick degenerates. Hating someone for their skin color is the most ridiculous thing on the face of this earth. People are people no matter what color they are.Agreed, Racism is pure ignorance.
I have seen racist people change their ways however. I knew a man when I lived in Alabama who told me about being there on Bloody Sunday and actually hitting Martin Luther King Jr. with a brick. Last month he recieved an award from the local chapter of the NAACP for his generous donations to their organization. Total turn around.
I have seen racist people change their ways however. I knew a man when I lived in Alabama who told me about being there on Bloody Sunday and actually hitting Martin Luther King Jr. with a brick. Last month he recieved an award from the local chapter of the NAACP for his generous donations to their organization. Total turn around.I fear I must disagree with the latter statement. I have always considered racism and ignorance to be two very different animals, although they often sup at the same trough. Ignorance CAN be cured/improved upon through years of positive exposure and a willingness to believe that, just maybe, what one heard about a group/saw on tv/watched in the movies/read about online may actually not be true. Racism is that decision turned on its ear, a stubborn refusal to change ones belief system, no matter how many times it has been disproven or how dangerous acting upon those beliefs may be. Indeed, one dances upon the lips of the wyrm, the other leaps down its throat without so much as a backward glance.Frankly racists are the lowest form of life to me, just like homphobes. Sick degenerates. Hating someone for their skin color is the most ridiculous thing on the face of this earth. People are people no matter what color they are.Agreed, Racism is pure ignorance.
And I also had a prolonged discussion with a girl who was racist, but by the end of the discussion, the lights had come on.
Racism is ignorance propagated by environmental interaction, whether that is from parents who were racist, falling in with the wrong crowd (supremacists, skinheads, etc) without proper instruction from parents.
Fear of the unknown (from ignorance) is also a mechanic of racism, fear that which you don't know.
I have seen racist people change their ways however. I knew a man when I lived in Alabama who told me about being there on Bloody Sunday and actually hitting Martin Luther King Jr. with a brick. Last month he recieved an award from the local chapter of the NAACP for his generous donations to their organization. Total turn around.I fear I must disagree with the latter statement. I have always considered racism and ignorance to be two very different animals, although they often sup at the same trough. Ignorance CAN be cured/improved upon through years of positive exposure and a willingness to believe that, just maybe, what one heard about a group/saw on tv/watched in the movies/read about online may actually not be true. Racism is that decision turned on its ear, a stubborn refusal to change ones belief system, no matter how many times it has been disproven or how dangerous acting upon those beliefs may be. Indeed, one dances upon the lips of the wyrm, the other leaps down its throat without so much as a backward glance.Frankly racists are the lowest form of life to me, just like homphobes. Sick degenerates. Hating someone for their skin color is the most ridiculous thing on the face of this earth. People are people no matter what color they are.Agreed, Racism is pure ignorance.And I also had a prolonged discussion with a girl who was racist, but by the end of the discussion, the lights had come on.
Racism is ignorance propagated by environmental interaction, whether that is from parents who were racist, falling in with the wrong crowd (supremacists, skinheads, etc) without proper instruction from parents.
Fear of the unknown (from ignorance) is also a mechanic of racism, fear that which you don't know.
Hm. Maybe my experiences were different. I keep encountering that in life with respect to racism. Either where I was living in PA had the friendliest racists ever, or it was so engrained in them that said people had no problem with me so long as I didn't attempt to date them or their sister.
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Racism is ignorance propagated by environmental interaction, whether that is from parents who were racist, falling in with the wrong crowd (supremacists, skinheads, etc) without proper instruction from parents.
Fear of the unknown (from ignorance) is also a mechanic of racism, fear that which you don't know.
I grew up in the South. During Segregation, my grandfather was known to chase a particular black man out of the local sandwich shop with an axe handle. Then the civil rights movement came about and he got to thinking about it. He decided that black folks were people too and had every right to eat where they damn well pleased. So the next time he went to the sandwich shop, when the shop keeper asked the black man to leave, my grandfather's axe handle was there not to chase him out but to defend the man's right to eat his sandwich in peace.
Another story: one of my personal heroes is a Presbyterian missionary whom my church supports. He was a young man in Mississippi during Segregation and the civil rights movement. If you were white during that time period you grew up surrounded by, inundated in racism. It was just part of the culture--a baseline assumption. The gentleman in question now runs an inner-city ministry distributing food and clothing to the poor in Atlanta in mostly black neighborhoods. He's one of my heroes not only because he was able to overcome the negative culture of racism that he grew up with, but also because he built his life on ministering to and serving those his background should have prejudiced him against.
Just wanted to throw out a couple of inspiring stories that show how attitudes can and do change. Sometimes all it takes is a catalyst, some event that forces us to confront those attitudes and examine them carefully in light of the real, core moral principles that we hold most deeply.
Racism is ignorance propagated by environmental interaction, whether that is from parents who were racist, falling in with the wrong crowd (supremacists, skinheads, etc) without proper instruction from parents.
Fear of the unknown (from ignorance) is also a mechanic of racism, fear that which you don't know.I grew up in the South. During Segregation, my grandfather was known to chase a particular black man out of the local sandwich shop with an axe handle. Then the civil rights movement came about and he got to thinking about it. He decided that black folks were people too and had every right to eat where they damn well pleased. So the next time he went to the sandwich shop, when the shop keeper asked the black man to leave, my grandfather's axe handle was there not to chase him out but to defend the man's right to eat his sandwich in peace.
Another story: one of my personal heroes is a Presbyterian missionary whom my church supports. He was a young man in Mississippi during Segregation and the civil rights movement. If you were white during that time period you grew up surrounded by, inundated in racism. It was just part of the culture--a baseline assumption. The gentleman in question now runs an inner-city ministry distributing food and clothing to the poor in Atlanta in mostly black neighborhoods. He's one of my heroes not only because he was able to overcome the negative culture of racism that he grew up with, but also because he built his life on ministering to and serving those his background should have prejudiced him against.
Just wanted to throw out a couple of inspiring stories that show how attitudes can and do change. Sometimes all it takes is a catalyst, some event that forces us to confront those attitudes and examine them carefully in light of the real, core moral principles that we hold most deeply.
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I have a vested interest in racism, as my children are 1/4 black. While they're raised in a white household, I always want them to realize their roots, and to be completely open to all races.
Racism is about fear, ignorance and maintaining power. You will encounter it in all countries.
The thing is what may be seen as racist in one country nobody will bat an eyelid over in an other because the history is not the same.
KFC is a major sponsor of the cricket in Australia. Australia does not have a history of slavery nor is there any association of eating chicken with the oppression or mocking of a group of people.
The West Indies (Caribbean nations) cricket team are universally admired and along with Indian, Pakistani, South African, English, Australian, New-Zealand, Sri lankan, are used to advertise KFC products.
Yet there was major uproar by Americans when a West Indies player was advertising KFC in an add that was not going to be shown in the US.
The add was pulled - The question asked was "Why is the US telling us that people of African descent (who probably have never been to the US) can not advertise food".
The thing is you are exporting your guilt and projecting it on the world at large.
All nations have their own disturbing history of racism to deal with we don't need to share yours.
Australia has a terrible history of its treatment of the Aboriginal people.
Because my great grandmother married an Aboriginal man, they had to pretend that my grandmother was conceived out of wedlock to a white man to stop the authorities from taking her away.
It was better for my grandmother to carry the stigma of being illegitimate than risk being taken away because she was a half-cast.
Joseph my great-grandfather was classed as part of the native fauna (an animal) and was not a citizen or allowed to vote until the referendum in the 1960's.
The sad thing is the gene that dictates the melanin level in Aboriginal people is recessive so for all appearances I look northern European.
The stolen generation is just the tip of the iceberg in the horrors that were inflicted on the aboriginal people.
Story I personally think that a lot of this is just piling on, a bunch of punk kids doing something they know can get a rise out of somebody else.
It's not just limited to racism.
Story I personally think that a lot of this is just piling on, a bunch of punk kids doing something they know can get a rise out of somebody else.It's not just limited to racism.
The graffiti at the Davis LGBT Center drew comment from students who said such incidents are rare on campus.
"You don't normally hear about hate crimes here at Davis," said Giselle Camarillo. "That's just really surprising."
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Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?
My cousin was once accused of rape by a female student at his college TWO YEARS after they had a consensual, one-night hook-up.
She got involved with a group of radical gender-feminists who were of the opinion that all male-female intercourse was a violation of the female, so she decided to bring charges against him.
He had to hire an attorney to defend him before the school's Board of Governors. Fortunately, he was acquitted and allowed to remain enrolled.
This was probably included in the school's statistics, anyway.
Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?
Not only can there be false reports, sometimes people just make numbers up.
I was at university listening to students make speeches for various student council positions. One of them remarked that the university needed a gay student's organization, especially 20% of students at the school identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual on their enrollment applications. Many people in the audience nodded as if this were a good point.
I asked where she got the stat from since there was nowhere on the enrollment applications that addressed the question of sexual orientation. She later admitted in a letter to the university newspaper that she made the stat up.
It's amazing how often things like this happen: Someone wants to make a point or have something be true, so they make up stats to reflect that. The stats go unchallenged and get repeated. Before too long, the stats are Truth against which little dissent is tolerated.
Always remember the categories of lies.
Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?My cousin was once accused of rape by a female student at his college TWO YEARS after they had a consensual, one-night hook-up.
She got involved with a group of radical gender-feminists who were of the opinion that all male-female intercourse was a violation of the female, so she decided to bring charges against him.
He had to hire an attorney to defend him before the school's Board of Governors. Fortunately, he was acquitted and allowed to remain enrolled.
This was probably included in the school's statistics, anyway.
What state was this? I know there are a few states where the statute of limitation on accusing someone on rape approaches several years.
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Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?Not only can there be false reports, sometimes people just make numbers up.
I was at university listening to students make speeches for various student council positions. One of them remarked that the university needed a gay student's organization, especially 20% of students at the school identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual on their enrollment applications. Many people in the audience nodded as if this were a good point.
I asked where she got the stat from since there was nowhere on the enrollment applications that addressed the question of sexual orientation. She later admitted in a letter to the university newspaper that she made the stat up.
It's amazing how often things like this happen: Someone wants to make a point or have something be true, so they make up stats to reflect that. The stats go unchallenged and get repeated. Before too long, the stats are Truth against which little dissent is tolerated.
Always remember the categories of lies.
I understand that sometimes groups do make up statistics. However if I read the article correctly this was the campus public safety office, basically the police for the campus. It woul be the same as if the NYPD came out tomorrow and said, "oops, we over reported the number of robberies in the city for the last three years. The real number is half of what we reported."
I understand that sometimes groups do make up statistics. However if I read the article correctly this was the campus public safety office, basically the police for the campus. It woul be the same as if the NYPD came out tomorrow and said, "oops, we over reported the number of robberies in the city for the last three years. The real number is half of what we reported."Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?Not only can there be false reports, sometimes people just make numbers up.
I was at university listening to students make speeches for various student council positions. One of them remarked that the university needed a gay student's organization, especially 20% of students at the school identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual on their enrollment applications. Many people in the audience nodded as if this were a good point.
I asked where she got the stat from since there was nowhere on the enrollment applications that addressed the question of sexual orientation. She later admitted in a letter to the university newspaper that she made the stat up.
It's amazing how often things like this happen: Someone wants to make a point or have something be true, so they make up stats to reflect that. The stats go unchallenged and get repeated. Before too long, the stats are Truth against which little dissent is tolerated.
Always remember the categories of lies.
Often times such numbers are inflated for the purposes of securing an allotment of funding.
On a somewhat related note, and I unfortunately cannot find the story link but read it a few days ago about a young man in Germany that spent a number of years being a "skinhead" is how I believe he referred to himself in the story. After his girlfriend did some research he discovered that his grandparents I think had hidden their Jewish heritage during WWII and he is now an Orthodox Jew.
Edit. It was Poland.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/europe/28poland.html
Racism is about fear, ignorance and maintaining power. You will encounter it in all countries.
The thing is what may be seen as racist in one country nobody will bat an eyelid over in an other because the history is not the same.
KFC is a major sponsor of the cricket in Australia. Australia does not have a history of slavery nor is there any association of eating chicken with the oppression or mocking of a group of people.
The West Indies (Caribbean nations) cricket team are universally admired and along with Indian, Pakistani, South African, English, Australian, New-Zealand, Sri lankan, are used to advertise KFC products.
Yet there was major uproar by Americans when a West Indies player was advertising KFC in an add that was not going to be shown in the US.
The add was pulled - The question asked was "Why is the US telling us that people of African descent (who probably have never been to the US) can not advertise food".
The thing is you are exporting your guilt and projecting it on the world at large.
All nations have their own disturbing history of racism to deal with we don't need to share yours.
Australia has a terrible history of its treatment of the Aboriginal people.
Because my great grandmother married an Aboriginal man, they had to pretend that my grandmother was conceived out of wedlock to a white man to stop the authorities from taking her away.
It was better for my grandmother to carry the stigma of being illegitimate than risk being taken away because she was a half-cast.
Joseph my great-grandfather was classed as part of the native fauna (an animal) and was not a citizen or allowed to vote until the referendum in the 1960's.
The sad thing is the gene that dictates the melanin level in Aboriginal people is recessive so for all appearances I look northern European.
The stolen generation is just the tip of the iceberg in the horrors that were inflicted on the aboriginal people.
I got my first taste of the horrors placed upon the Aboriginals in "Quigley Down Under". Purely disgusting...it even brings tears to my eyes thinking about it.
Often times such numbers are inflated for the purposes of securing an allotment of funding.I understand that sometimes groups do make up statistics. However if I read the article correctly this was the campus public safety office, basically the police for the campus. It woul be the same as if the NYPD came out tomorrow and said, "oops, we over reported the number of robberies in the city for the last three years. The real number is half of what we reported."Uhm, I'm confused. How do you over report sexual assaults?Not only can there be false reports, sometimes people just make numbers up.
I was at university listening to students make speeches for various student council positions. One of them remarked that the university needed a gay student's organization, especially 20% of students at the school identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual on their enrollment applications. Many people in the audience nodded as if this were a good point.
I asked where she got the stat from since there was nowhere on the enrollment applications that addressed the question of sexual orientation. She later admitted in a letter to the university newspaper that she made the stat up.
It's amazing how often things like this happen: Someone wants to make a point or have something be true, so they make up stats to reflect that. The stats go unchallenged and get repeated. Before too long, the stats are Truth against which little dissent is tolerated.
Always remember the categories of lies.
This seems likely:
"Based on the internal and external reviews, UC Davis has determined that the former director of its Campus Violence Prevention Program, Jennifer Beeman, was responsible for the inflated numbers of reported forcible sex offenses in 2005, 2006 and 2007.
(In other comments today, UC Davis officials said that Beeman has been investigated for improper use of grant funds. More information is available.)"
BTW, I bring this up not to diminish the insipid nature of judging someone's value based on their skins melanin content. This is a belief that has always mystified me. It just seems like the racial incidents might be drawing a slightly disproportionate amount of coverage.
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On a somewhat related note, and I unfortunately cannot find the story link but read it a few days ago about a young man in Germany that spent a number of years being a "skinhead" is how I believe he referred to himself in the story. After his girlfriend did some research he discovered that his grandparents I think had hidden their Jewish heritage during WWII and he is now an Orthodox Jew.
Edit. It was Poland.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/europe/28poland.html
I always think stories like this are funny. It's much harder to say, "I didn't know I was part-black," because that is based purely on appearance - but it was done too, given the prevalence of "passing" for light-skinned African-Americans prior to the Civil Rights era. If we did more DNA testing, people would find all kinds of skeletons in their family closets. I've been watching the PBS documentary where Henry Louis Gates Jr. finds out that as a percentage, he has more Irish ancestry than African ancestry, yet he "looks" African-American.
Honestly, we're all humans. As a family, we need to learn to get along better!
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On a somewhat related note, and I unfortunately cannot find the story link but read it a few days ago about a young man in Germany that spent a number of years being a "skinhead" is how I believe he referred to himself in the story. After his girlfriend did some research he discovered that his grandparents I think had hidden their Jewish heritage during WWII and he is now an Orthodox Jew.
Edit. It was Poland.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/europe/28poland.html
I always think stories like this are funny. It's much harder to say, "I didn't know I was part-black," because that is based purely on appearance - but it was done too, given the prevalence of "passing" for light-skinned African-Americans prior to the Civil Rights era. If we did more DNA testing, people would find all kinds of skeletons in their family closets. I've been watching the PBS documentary where Henry Louis Gates Jr. finds out that as a percentage, he has more Irish ancestry than African ancestry, yet he "looks" African-American.
Honestly, we're all humans. As a family, we need to learn to get along better!
I always told my students that being American means your ancesters were run out of or taken from some of the greatest countries in the world
OK folks, I can agree with almost all of the above statements.
Racism is purely stupid and yes we are all human and everyone deserves to have dignity.
Now it's time to throw the cat in the washing machine because it's going to get ugly.
I do not consider my self racist in the slightest however I don't want to associate with all types of people simply because I have no common ground with them at all.
Reverse racism is becoming more and more prevalent in our society and if left unchecked will become the "new" racism. Prime example, as a joke some guys set up a "united Caucasian college fund" they were immediately labeled as racist, had death threats sent to them and had to take sensitivity training or be kicked out of college.
Personal example, I attended a adult party that every guy knew what they were there for and was told by 2 or 3 of the good looking black guys that "sorry, I don’t party with anyone but my own color" now you tell me if I as a white guy had said that you could've heard a pin drop in that room.
Government example: Affirmative Action. Racism is wrong on any level and being told you have to have so many minorities or other such group is simply wrong.
Again please understand I am not trying to come off as some sheet wearing cross burning
ass hat but if we are trying for racial equality then lets really be serious about it instead of having the pendulum swing to the other side and say “oh look it’s equal now
OK folks, I can agree with almost all of the above statements.
Racism is purely stupid and yes we are all human and everyone deserves to have dignity.Now it's time to throw the cat in the washing machine because it's going to get ugly.
I do not consider my self racist in the slightest however I don't want to associate with all types of people simply because I have no common ground with them at all.Reverse racism is becoming more and more prevalent in our society and if left unchecked will become the "new" racism. Prime example, as a joke some guys set up a "united Caucasian college fund" they were immediately labeled as racist, had death threats sent to them and had to take sensitivity training or be kicked out of college.
Personal example, I attended a adult party that every guy knew what they were there for and was told by 2 or 3 of the good looking black guys that "sorry, I don’t party with anyone but my own color" now you tell me if I as a white guy had said that you could've heard a pin drop in that room.
Government example: Affirmative Action. Racism is wrong on any level and being told you have to have so many minorities or other such group is simply wrong.Again please understand I am not trying to come off as some sheet wearing cross burning
ass hat but if we are trying for racial equality then lets really be serious about it instead of having the pendulum swing to the other side and say “oh look it’s equal now
Adult party in what sense? Because things can get ugly at swing-digs, and if that was your experience, I apologize.
Freehold DM,
No need to apologise I had a blast at most all of the parties I've been to. The atmosphere has been fun and the conversation lively amoungst other things and the food has always been first rate.
I don't know if you would classify them as swingers because it was for guys only and from my limited understanding swinging involves couples and or male/female partners. I will fully caveate that with a "I'm not up on slang terms" disclaimer.
As an aside how many of you have ever been to a dateing/hook-up site and seen This/That/the other race only in the ad. To me that has nothing to do with raceism but instead personal attraction. However I have been accused of raseism because I didnt want to go out with this guy(he was like 10yrs younger than me,no common ground, and over 100lbs heavier than me his race wasn't a factor his body was)
My point is sometimes things that may seem racist simply arn't but some people have a chip on their shoulders.
Freehold DM,
No need to apologise I had a blast at most all of the parties I've been to. The atmosphere has been fun and the conversation lively amoungst other things and the food has always been first rate.I don't know if you would classify them as swingers because it was for guys only and from my limited understanding swinging involves couples and or male/female partners. I will fully caveate that with a "I'm not up on slang terms" disclaimer.
As an aside how many of you have ever been to a dateing/hook-up site and seen This/That/the other race only in the ad. To me that has nothing to do with raceism but instead personal attraction. However I have been accused of raseism because I didnt want to go out with this guy(he was like 10yrs younger than me,no common ground, and over 100lbs heavier than me his race wasn't a factor his body was)
My point is sometimes things that may seem racist simply arn't but some people have a chip on their shoulders.
It's cool. It can be frustrating though because for many people race does play a factor into whether or not they find someone attractive, and that can really cause a lot of trouble and misunderstandings. I didn't mean to insinuate that you were a swinger, it's just my term for parties where people are there primarily to engage in congress with others with some light conversation thrown in. And yeah, I've dealt with a lot of "I don't date black guys" stuff. It just happens. To me, it's their loss.
stuff about racism in datingMan, now I've heard it all. I've heard of a pity lay, a mercy lay, even a revenge lay, but this is the first time I've ever heard of anybody suggesting an affirmative action lay.
Funny as hell, but it happens.
BTW, I bring this up not to diminish the insipid nature of judging someone's value based on their skins melanin content. This is a belief that has always mystified me. It just seems like the racial incidents might be drawing a slightly disproportionate amount of coverage.
The FBI recently released a report showing that hate crimes increased in 2008. Of the cases reported, 51.3% were racially motivated. The FBI hasn't released reports for 2009 yet, but history has shown that during economically difficult times, the number of hate crimes tends to rise. I therefore think it likely that the numbers for 2009 and 2010 are going to be even higher, and that these news stories are simply reflecting a statistical reality.
Incidentally, while we're on the subject of sexual assault, in a survey done of 1,882 college men over a 20 year period, 120 of them answered yes to the following questions.
"Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated [on alcohol or drugs] to resist your sexual advances?"
Or: "Have you ever had sexual intercourse with an adult when they didn't want to because you used physical force [twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.] if they didn't cooperate?"
These 120 men admitted to committing 483 rapes. Of these 120 men, 76 of them were responsible for 439 of the reported rapes.
If these numbers are a statistical reality, that means that on a college campus the size of UC Davis (30,000 students), there are approximately 1875 unreported rapists amongst the student body. These men will be responsible for approximately 7500 rapes.
Women, meanwhile, make up 55% of the student body at UC Davis. That works out to approximately 16,500 students. If only half of the women raped by these men are UC Davis students, that means that 27% of the female student body (or 1 in 4 students) will be the victims of sexual assault from these men. (Incidentally, this is consistent with national statistics).
Of these women, it's estimated that only about 5% (187) of the victims will report the attack to the police. Since alcohol use is usually involved in these cases, prosecutors often find it notoriously difficult to prove intent on the part of the perpetrator, which means that very few of the men are ever incarcerated.
I couldn't find statistics, so I don't know how many women report these attacks to campus police. However, given the number of cases reported to UC Davis and UC Santa Cruz, my guess is that the numbers are significantly lower. What I can tell you is that, according to reporters from the Center for Public Integrity, only 10 to 25% of reported cases ever result in expulsion. In fact, in a story reported by NPR, a school psychologist told one girl that he actually felt sorry for the person who raped her.
My point in all of this, is that while the article you linked to may describe the crimes committed by one woman (and I agree that they are crimes), it should not be inferred that sexual assault on college campuses is largely the fabrication of some leftist group. Sexual assault is a serious problem, and trying to suggest otherwise only undermines the difficulties that so many women face in trying to deal with this issue.
Incidentally, your article was reported in the Sacramento Bee, the fifth largest newspaper in California. It also made an appearance in Inside Higher Ed (which is how I found out about it), as well as Glenn Sacks' blog. So I don't think you can say that it got any less press than the more current stories we mentioned.
Funny as hell, but it happens.stuff about racism in datingMan, now I've heard it all. I've heard of a pity lay, a mercy lay, even a revenge lay, but this is the first time I've ever heard of anybody suggesting an affirmative action lay.
As for your previous post freehold don't sweat it,I wasn't insulted in the slightest, If I ever did get married I'd have to be a swinger and I've met alot of nice ones. Heck you'd be surprised at the number of women that say "you boys can play but I get mine first".
OBTW I am so useing that line at the next party. "affirmative action" lay. If nothing else it will be a good joke.
I got my first taste of the...
Quigley is a terrible movie, and part of the point I was makeing - The atrocities committed against the native peoples in North and South America were just as terrible. Manifest Destiny included the depopulation (extermination)of the Native peoples of the US who stood in the way of having their land taken by Europeans. With Quigley we have the US preaching without putting their own house in order.
If you want to understand the complexities of European - Aborignal relations please watch Rabbit Proof fence and the Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith. Both of these movies are based on real events.
I got my first taste of the...Quigley is a terrible movie, and part of the point I was makeing - The atrocities committed against the native peoples in North and South America were just as terrible. Manifest Destiny included the depopulation (extermination)of the Native peoples of the US who stood in the way of having their land taken by Europeans. With Quigley we have the US preaching without putting their own house in order.
If you want to understand the complexities of European - Aborignal relations please watch Rabbit Proof fence and the Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith. Both of these movies are based on real events.
Intriguing. I've heard of Rabbit Proof Fence. I might check that out with the wife.
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Though I hate racism, I gotta ask a question. How exactly is it illegal? Why are the police investigating the hood thing at UCSD?
Please don't get me wrong, if they find these guys, they deserve to get their ass beaten.
So again, to be clear, I just wanna know what law was broken that calls for the police to investigate this.
Intriguing. I've heard of Rabbit Proof Fence. I might check that out with the wife.
I got my first taste of the...Quigley is a terrible movie, and part of the point I was makeing - The atrocities committed against the native peoples in North and South America were just as terrible. Manifest Destiny included the depopulation (extermination)of the Native peoples of the US who stood in the way of having their land taken by Europeans. With Quigley we have the US preaching without putting their own house in order.
If you want to understand the complexities of European - Aborignal relations please watch Rabbit Proof fence and the Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith. Both of these movies are based on real events.
Yes its less intense than the Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith which is not saying much, because its still very intense.
The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith is a 1978 Australian film directed by Fred Schepisi and based on the Booker Prize-nominated novel of the same name by Thomas Keneally (who also wrote Schindlers List). The novel is based on the life of bushranger Jimmy Governor.
The story is written through the eyes of an exploited Aborigine who explodes with rage. It is based on an actual incident. Keneally has said he would not now presume to write in the voice of an Aborigine, but would have written the story as seen by a white character.
Rabbit-Proof Fence is a 2002 Australian drama film based on the book Follow the Rabbit-Proof Fence by Doris Pilkington Garimara. It is based on a true story concerning the author's mother, as well as two other young mixed-race Aboriginal girls, who ran away from the Moore River Native Settlement, north of Perth, in order to return to their Aboriginal families, after having been placed there in 1931. The film follows the girls as they trek/walk for nine weeks along 1,500 miles (2,400 km) of the Australian rabbit-proof fence to return to their community at Jigalong, while being tracked by a white authority figure and an Aboriginal tracker.[1]
BTW, I bring this up not to diminish the insipid nature of judging someone's value based on their skins melanin content. This is a belief that has always mystified me. It just seems like the racial incidents might be drawing a slightly disproportionate amount of coverage.The FBI recently released a report showing that hate crimes increased in 2008. Of the cases reported, 51.3% were racially motivated. The FBI hasn't released reports for 2009 yet, but history has shown that during economically difficult times, the number of hate crimes tends to rise. I therefore think it likely that the numbers for 2009 and 2010 are going to be even higher, and that these news stories are simply reflecting a statistical reality.
Incidentally, while we're on the subject of sexual assault, in a survey done of 1,882 college men over a 20 year period, 120 of them answered yes to the following questions.
"Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated [on alcohol or drugs] to resist your sexual advances?"
Or: "Have you ever had sexual intercourse with an adult when they didn't want to because you used physical force [twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.] if they didn't cooperate?"
These 120 men admitted to committing 483 rapes. Of these 120 men, 76 of them were responsible for 439 of the reported rapes.
If these numbers are a statistical reality, that means that on a college campus the size of UC Davis (30,000 students), there are approximately 1875 unreported rapists amongst the student body. These men will be responsible for approximately 7500 rapes.
Women, meanwhile, make up 55% of the student body at UC Davis. That works out to approximately 16,500 students. If only half of...
I have issues with the notion of hate and bias crimes in general, and the lack of consistency in definition and reporting methodology can make year to year comparisons challenging. While I don't think motive can be factored out of the equation I think actions and damages are much more compelling. Obviously I'm more inclined to think this is being a bit overplayed than you are.
I don't think your statistical analysis is quite right because I don't think 1 in 4 women at UC Davis will be sexually assaulted. That said I agree that sexual assault is under reported and highly under prosecuted particularly when the victims are male or children.
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Though I hate racism, I gotta ask a question. How exactly is it illegal? Why are the police investigating the hood thing at UCSD?
Please don't get me wrong, if they find these guys, they deserve to get their ass beaten.
So again, to be clear, I just wanna know what law was broken that calls for the police to investigate this.
The original Compton cookout was distasteful, but not illegal. In fact as far as I have read nothing that has been committed has been "illegal" in the strictest sense. However, they may be against University policies which is why the campus police is investigating. Students can be expelled if what they did was a violation of the policies and rules of the university even if their actions are not illegal.
Edit: link Racial threats also may be illegal and outside of First Amendment protections. However, the whole issue is very prickly from a legal stand point.
I don't think your statistical analysis is quite right because I don't think 1 in 4 women at UC Davis will be sexually assaulted. That said I agree that sexual assault is under reported and highly under prosecuted particularly when the victims are male or children.
I won't claim that my estimates are in any way scientific, so I won't blame you if you think they are inaccurate. I also won't fault you, given your opinions, if you think that the numbers of women who report being sexually assaulted are inflated. However, I don't think you can so easily dismiss the findings of the study which shows that 1 in 16 college men report that they've engaged in sexual assault. Personally, I think those numbers are pretty incontrovertible.
I don't think your statistical analysis is quite right because I don't think 1 in 4 women at UC Davis will be sexually assaulted. That said I agree that sexual assault is under reported and highly under prosecuted particularly when the victims are male or children.I won't claim that my estimates are in any way scientific, so I won't blame you if you think they are inaccurate. I also won't fault you, given your opinions, if you think that the numbers of women who report being sexually assaulted are inflated. However, I don't think you can so easily dismiss the findings of the study which shows that 1 in 16 college men report that they've engaged in sexual assault. Personally, I think those numbers are pretty incontrovertible.
Dove Arrow, I am trying to figure out where some of this information is coming from.
The link that you gave for the survey did not have the questions that you stated were asked anywhere within its 12 pages.
A better link, please. Preferably one that actually contains the quote you are drawing from it...
Furthermore, it did not state that it was even a "survey" but rather stated that it was a "study". I could find nothing to state that this was a random sampling to extrapolate from in any way. So, that extrapolation means nothing.