On Reading the Critiques


RPG Superstar™ 2009 General Discussion

Liberty's Edge

Fine......

I have one question: after having read through the gob of critiques, would you rather

1)read more critiques

or

2)drive a f#@*ing railspike into your forehead?


I'll take #2 if you're offering a choice.....

Star Voter Season 6

I actually learn a lot from reading other people's critiques, good and bad.


It depends on what approach the critic is taking. If it is:

Constructive, well-thought out, and actually gives some practical guidance, I'm all for it.

However, if it is destructive, not useful, or worse - reiterating a point already made (usually by a judge) in a more caustic manner, I find the critisism to be mean-spirited.

I honestly can't tell whether the later is actually more predominate than the former, or just so obnoxious that it appears that way.

This is a contest where criticism could really help the 32 in coming rounds. I particularly like critics who give practical advice while recognizing the confines of the contest (ie: I think you should have focused more on this and less on this). I particularly dislike the (obvious) sour grapes.

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hmmm... is it a twintone f*&@ing railspike?


Actually I stop reading after two or three repeats (usually somewhere in judges round :)

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

It depends. Some of them are well thought out and useful. Some of them are not. The worst are the ones that give some kind of arbitrary numerical score without bothering to explain what they liked or didn't like or how to improve on the concept.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4 aka K. B. Carter

This last week has felt to me a bit like waiting on Tyler Durden's porch in the movie Fight Club. You know the scene: the one where they make new applicants to Project Mayhem stand at attention for 3 days under constant disparagement before they are admitted.

Still, I want to be a space monkey, and the feedback I've been getting is all great points (good and bad), so totally worth it, even if I don't make the cut.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16 aka Sir_Wulf

Paul Worthen wrote:
It depends. Some of them are well thought out and useful. Some of them are not. The worst are the ones that give some kind of arbitrary numerical score without bothering to explain what they liked or didn't like or how to improve on the concept.

I give that post a 4.

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K. B. Carter wrote:

This last week has felt to me a bit like waiting on Tyler Durden's porch in the movie Fight Club. You know the scene: the one where they make new applicants to Project Mayhem stand at attention for 3 days under constant disparagement before they are admitted.

Still, I want to be a space monkey, and the feedback I've been getting is all great points (good and bad), so totally worth it, even if I don't make the cut.

I just want to say that I appreciate your entry a lot. I know it can't be easy to wait for the result, because I've waited for weeks for editors to get back to me and that was never fun. I've also gotten great praise and gotten raked over the coals for my freelance work in journalism and academia so I know the highs and the lows.

In fact, when it comes time for evaluations, I grab a beer and my girlfriend reads me my evaluations in her most sultry and soothing voice. I heartily recommend that method for the Superstars.


Sir_Wulf wrote:


I give that post a 4.

Now THAT is funny. I dont care who you are.

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Jason Rice wrote:
Sir_Wulf wrote:


I give that post a 4.
Now THAT is funny. I dont care who you are.

Yeah that certainly gave me a "yuck-yuck."

It was a bit of work getting through some of the critiques but i was defiantly trying to do so in the spirit of learning a bit for myself.
The main thing i learned is that while i agree with some critiques i am completely bewildered by many others... so i doubt if i will ever hit on a Superstar lv.


Sir_Wulf wrote:
Paul Worthen wrote:
It depends. Some of them are well thought out and useful. Some of them are not. The worst are the ones that give some kind of arbitrary numerical score without bothering to explain what they liked or didn't like or how to improve on the concept.
I give that post a 4.

It's kind of like going to school again.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

The other posts can be informative. Believe it or not, reading other posts sometimes calms me down before I shell something I think that totally missed it. More than a few of those this week.

And sometimes, I'd go for option number 2.

"I give this post a 4." That's awesome.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 aka Mark Thomas 66

I've found the feedback to be informative and in some cases quite validating. I'm also amused to see who gets it, who doesn't and intrigued to see what improvements I need to make so that everyone gets it.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

roguerouge wrote:
K. B. Carter wrote:

This last week has felt to me a bit like waiting on Tyler Durden's porch in the movie Fight Club. You know the scene: the one where they make new applicants to Project Mayhem stand at attention for 3 days under constant disparagement before they are admitted.

Still, I want to be a space monkey, and the feedback I've been getting is all great points (good and bad), so totally worth it, even if I don't make the cut.

I just want to say that I appreciate your entry a lot. I know it can't be easy to wait for the result, because I've waited for weeks for editors to get back to me and that was never fun. I've also gotten great praise and gotten raked over the coals for my freelance work in journalism and academia so I know the highs and the lows.

In fact, when it comes time for evaluations, I grab a beer and my girlfriend reads me my evaluations in her most sultry and soothing voice. I heartily recommend that method for the Superstars.

Excellent idea. I'm trying to prep some academic papers for sending off to journals, and a couple of months down the road when they get back I should have my GF do that.

Yoinked!

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Paul Worthen wrote:
It depends. Some of them are well thought out and useful. Some of them are not. The worst are the ones that give some kind of arbitrary numerical score without bothering to explain what they liked or didn't like or how to improve on the concept.

As someone who used the "some kind of arbitrary numerical score" system on my posts, please allow me to explain what I was doing there. I was reading the entry then posting my "scoring" system in the hopes of capturing my opinions (rather than the judges or anyone elses) before reading the feedback of the judges, guest comentators, etc. This let me look at all 32 "scores" in "My Recent Posts". From those scores, I looked at the top 8 or so to narrow my field and determine my votes.

Given all that, if you would like, I'll re-read through your entry and see if I can add anything useful to the comments made by the others.

Scarab Sages

The problem with that, Reckless, isn't the giving numerical scores. Those are actually helpful - if they have context. Without context, you might as well just jot them down on a sheet of notebook paper in front of you. If you actually tell people WHY they got those scores, even if it's just a short sentence fragment ("was not a villain"; "don't like bards"), at least they have something to go on and help themselves improve.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4 aka K. B. Carter

roguerouge wrote:

I just want to say that I appreciate your entry a lot. I know it can't be easy to wait for the result, because I've waited for weeks for editors to get back to me and that was never fun. I've also gotten great praise and gotten raked over the coals for my freelance work in journalism and academia so I know the highs and the lows.

In fact, when it comes time for evaluations, I grab a beer and my girlfriend reads me my evaluations in her most sultry and soothing voice. I heartily recommend that method for the Superstars.

Man, that's the best advice I've heard all week. I'll have to give it a try.

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K. B. Carter wrote:
roguerouge wrote:
...when it comes time for evaluations, I grab a beer and my girlfriend reads me my evaluations in her most sultry and soothing voice. I heartily recommend that method for the Superstars.

Man, that's the best advice I've heard all week. I'll have to give it a try.

You're going to have roguerouge's girlfriend read you the evaluations?

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

Let us know how that works out.

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She's done professional voice over work, actually. Would you like to hire her?

Liberty's Edge

Never mind me, I get the way I get,....
I'll read the submissions, say what I need to say, and stay out of everybody's business that way.
Sorry.
Lack of sleep+icy driving to work+other crap=pissy werewolf sometimes.

Liberty's Edge

Heathansson wrote:

Never mind me, I get the way I get,....

I'll read the submissions, say what I need to say, and stay out of everybody's business that way.
Sorry.
Lack of sleep+icy driving to work+other crap=pissy werewolf sometimes.

Oh, and sorry, rougerogue.

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Heathansson wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Never mind me, I get the way I get,....

I'll read the submissions, say what I need to say, and stay out of everybody's business that way.
Sorry.
Lack of sleep+icy driving to work+other crap=pissy werewolf sometimes.
Oh, and sorry, rougerogue.

Not a problem. With what--30 thousand posts?--you're bound to get cranky once in a while. Everybody makes posts they've regretted. Lord knows I have too. Yours weren't even that bad. And, when it came to that thread, I wish I'd intuited exactly how Paizo wanted us to judge these submissions a bit better. And, in the end, a couple of people figured out possible rules that could be used, so the OP even benefits.

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