I think I have to agree scent evil cant be a continuous all the time condition otherwise Ali will be running around following trails of evil through the city till she went crazy and in some places the scent would overpower everything else. So I think it has to function as a SLA and has to be a concious activation like the Paladins Detect..the other thing is that making it continuous would make Esteriande's detect evil redundant.
So I'll allow Ali to sense areas of great evil automatically(in the way that animals seem to be able to)..but for people it should be a concious act and tracking people by scent is already covered in RAW.
She is getting a distinct area sense at the moment
How about making it less directional and sensitive than detect evil, but having it always active? That way the two abilities would compliment one-another. Say, she would scent general evil at a distance, but would have to be within 5' to tell which person. On the other hand, Esteriande's detect evil is more directional at range (over three rounds) but has to be concentrated upon.
Hmm..that might work..Khaladon I'd appreciate your input on this..she's your character after all
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The current Plague in Korvosa might be Magnimars chance to gain back some of the ground it has lost in the last decade or so. But they had best be quick because a band of gallant heros is bound to stop it sooner or later..right Tim?
No guaranties. And even if they are successful, Korvosa will need years to recover.
If I recall correctly, Korvosa was a Chelaxian colony, and Magnimar was founded by rebels and exiles from that city when the House of Thrune ascended to power.
Correct on Magnimar's roots, although I would say dissidents rather than rebels and exiles. Guide to Korvosa says they departed peacefully by agreement with the majority royalists.
My two cents on scent....
Regarding scent, I think it's not inappropriate that Ali keeps using her nose - being raised as a wolf she would have that as her major sense over sight, and it can tell her a great deal of information that while flavourful is not actually necessarily useful. For example, her sense of smell could tell her that a number of men passed this way only hours ago, that one had fresh blood on him, that another was perfumed and therefore likely wealthy but was using the perfume to cover the smell of the sewers, and that the rest all smelled of the city streets. It could tell her whether the majority of the men came and went by the lower or upper entrance as well, but knowing this would tell us a little more, but not much of any actual use. I strongly recommend Terry Pratchet's guards series, where he describes Sergeant Angua's transition from human perceptions to wolf, and how it changes her perceptions in several of those books.
BTW that was beautifully written Dabbler.
"Regarding scent, I think it's not inappropriate that Ali keeps using her nose - being raised as a wolf she would have that as her major sense over sight, and it can tell her a great deal of information that while flavourful is not actually necessarily useful."
I really like this and it fits in well with the compromise proposed above.
"For example, her sense of smell could tell her that a number of men passed this way only hours ago, that one had fresh blood on him, that another was perfumed and therefore likely wealthy but was using the perfume to cover the smell of the sewers, and that the rest all smelled of the city streets. It could tell her whether the majority of the men came and went by the lower or upper entrance as well, but knowing this would tell us a little more, but not much of any actual use. "
This would be too much detail. I doubt that scent could link odors to one another. I would put it more like this:
For example, her sense of smell could tell her that a number of men passed this way only hours ago. There are odors of fresh blood, perfume, eau de sewer and the street smells of urban living. It could tell her whether the majority of the men came and went by the lower or upper entrance as well, and to which door each of the other scents went.
While tracking she could come to associate an odor, say the perfume and sewer smell, with the specific scent of an individual by its persistence on the trail.
I really like the way Ali sniffs up new party members and NPCs we meet. I would definitely keep that, and make the scent of evil a unique component of people's smell.
Thank you Thom - I really like Ali's character, and I can see where she comes from with her smelling everything.
I get the reasoning behind it I just dont want it to break what little versimilitude this game has in the first place.I f I allowed it as Khaladon wants I might as well tell you about every evil person you pass on the street..and remember a lay 1st level commoner worshipper of Asmodeus would register just as much as a 1st level Hellknight would.
I think I will go with my initial thoughts..Tracking an individual will still require survival rolls..Ali will get general impressions of usage and out of the ordinary scents but she will have to be within 5 feet of someone to confirm his evil nature..she will sense evil in the area within 30 feet just needs to narrow it down to the specific person.
AND IT STILL WON'T WORK THROUGH WALLS!!!!!!!!
Hey, I completely agree it shouldn't work through walls. Although an evil person might infuse their home area with their vile scent merely through their persistent presence.
Also, what about the new detect evil definition? -- First through 4th level evil people don't register at all.
Wellard, another rules issue for you.
I've been describing Romon pretty liberally as using both sword and dagger in fights although only ever making one attack. This thread by Raving Dork and the responses has me wondering, especially since I find myself on Raving Dork's side.
The way I've been doing it. I've described Romon as fighting with dagger in one hand, shortsword in the other. He has switched freely from shortsword to dagger or vice versa during a fight without taking an action to stow or draw a weapon. He has not taken any 'offhand' penalties.
When Romon gets his second iterative attack, my reading would have been that he can attack interchangeably with the dagger or shortsword. One attack at BAB+6; one at BAB+1.
I guess I'm basically saying that Romon can fight with two weapons without any of the TWF penalties if he does not take the additional attack.
Do you accept this interpretation of the rules?
I might be a bit irregular in my postings for the next few days. The hurricane knocked over a tree at my rental property. It landed on the neighbor's house. The neighbor does not understand why I can't get a tree removal service there today to get rid of it. This is going to be so much fun.
Wow. I would be pissed too if I were the neighbor, but the tree removal guys are going to be so busy for days. He's got to be able to see that. Good luck with that one.
@Thom.Providing you don't attack with more than one weapon in a round then I'd say that you can do that without penalty.Maybe I need to reintroduce the old Ambidextrous feat from 3.0.
Possibly as a trait which would also allow you +1 when TWF'ing..Hmm there's an idea.
I might be a bit irregular in my postings for the next few days. The hurricane knocked over a tree at my rental property. It landed on the neighbor's house. The neighbor does not understand why I can't get a tree removal service there today to get rid of it. This is going to be so much fun.
There are some people in this world who believe that if they make somebody's life uncomfortable enough, this will make things happen the way they want them. This is sometimes true, but not often, and in the circumstances probably not even close.
@Thom.Providing you don't attack with more than one weapon in a round then I'd say that you can do that without penalty.Maybe I need to reintroduce the old Ambidextrous feat from 3.0.
Possibly as a trait which would also allow you +1 when TWF'ing..Hmm there's an idea.
What I would suggest is that you do get an off-hand penalty of -2 on the second weapon (regardless of size), simply because it IS your off-hand. I say this merely for verisimilitude as I can't use my left hand as well as my right. However, I would also make 'Ambidextrous' a trait that banishes or reduces this penalty (and maybe helps with TWFing).
Ambidextrous
You can use your left hand as well as your right. When using a Two Weapon Fighting you may reduce the penalty on wielding your weapons by 1. If you are using a weapon in your off-hand without Two Weapon Fighting, and not making any additional attacks but instead swapping attacks between the two weapons, your off-hand penalty is removed.
Regarding traits themselves, I have this thing in another game where each character starts with a single trait, but gains one at the end of each chapter to represent knowledge gained, changes in circumstances, and general character development. Don't know what you think about that, Wellard?
Yes I agree with the trait as written there it was pretty much what i was thinking but expressed badly by me.
I'll consider the extra traits..
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O irene she was fun wasn't she. :( Sorry about my absence actually had an unscheduled lack of internet for several days here! I'm just glad it came back up instead of the proposed time BG and E gave of Friday at 1130pm!
Sadly though I believe we are relocating to another relatives this day who has no internet connection...a troglodyte indeed. :( So please DM NPC Muchorak as needed.
In regards to the TWF...I've gotta say that I like it how it is, of course being that Muchorak is a TWFer i'm not opposed to improving this with bonus feats.
However if its just a descriptive side that Romon is fighting with two blades I see no problem; however at the higher BAB if both attacks are done with different weapons then it is assuredly TWF which would bring about penalties for such.
Just my two cents. :D
Devil's advocate. Is it assuredly TWF if you don't take the extra attack? Is the point of the TWF feat to be able to wave two weapons around, or is the point of the feat to get the extra attack?
Suppose I use two identical weapons? If I don't take the extra attack it would be ludicrous to penalize me for TWF.
Suppose I use two weapons of differing quality? I might gain some advantage from being able to apply them to the target most suited. Say one is a +1 shocking shortsword and the other is +1 fire shortsword. If faced with trolls and shambling mounds, then being able to split the attacks and use each weapon against the target most vulnerable to them, is a real advantage compared to someone carrying the same two swords but only using one at a time.
I've got no problem with the ruling. It just intrigues me now that it's been pointed out.
Two-Weapon Fighting (Combat)You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.
Prerequisite: Dex 15.
Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.
Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light.
Two-Weapon Fighting
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.
Table: Two-weapon Fighting Penalties summarizes the interaction of all these factors.
Double Weapons: You can use a double weapon to make an extra attack with the off-hand end of the weapon as if you were fighting with two weapons. The penalties apply as if the off-hand end of the weapon was a light weapon.
Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.
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O irene she was fun wasn't she. :( Sorry about my absence actually had an unscheduled lack of internet for several days here! I'm just glad it came back up instead of the proposed time BG and E gave of Friday at 1130pm!
Hope the storm didn't mess your home up too badly Azoun! I had to do a little bailing in the basement, mid-day, but we've got a drain for such emergencies, and I just had to stay ahead of the water coming in (which I was able to do, so that the water didn't make it out of a utility room).
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As for the TWF stuff, IMO, 3.5 pretty much abandoned the idea of Ambidexterity or 'handedness,' so I don't see any reason why Romon couldn't carry a weapon in each hand and hit with either one, as his circumstance warranted. He's not encroaching on the actual benefits of TWF, so it's just a stylistic choice (and potentially advantageous if one weapon gets disarmed, or isn't useful against the target-at-hand, like a dagger vs. a skeleton).
I liked the comment about Nethys light and dark too, Set.
Heh, I didn't edit fast enough. My stream of consciousness occasionally goes to weird places. I blame my mom for all the 'shrooms she ate when she was pregnant. :)
Not hurricanes but we do have the equivilant of tropical storms where the winds can gust up to 100MPH and generally are around 80-85 MPH
England gets the occasional Tornado.
We've had some tropical storm strength wind-systems ... famously back in the 80's we had what was later called 'the October Hurricane' one year, did a lot of damage. Rather famously, the BBC weather service told watchers the night before, "We may get a stiff breeze, but nothing more."
They later apologised. Of course, our weather is notoriously unpredictable ... and if you don't like it, just wait five minutes.
Don't you belive it mate...theres nothing worn beneath the kilt it's all in perfect working order..Young Japanese women seem to be fascinated by the garment and are alwys trying to get up the kilt shots on their phone cams..
Well I don't live in Scotland Bill, I'm south of the border in England although as my home is now in the hills east of Manchester we get the same kind of weather: Wet and windy. At least I'm not at risk of flooding here, though!
Off course living in the UK does mean that I get to live at the bottom of a Sidhe Mound
Hey Gang. Apologies for my absence during the Scent debate. I've finally gone and got an RSS reader for Chrome and subscribed, so I won't be missing posts here in the OOC anymore.
Am at the moment in the midst of recovering from my over-exuberance at my welcome home fest last night so by brain power is about nil at the moment. (There a very good reason no to drink to much at my age)
Having just given everything a quick over-view though I think I can say that I am pretty much in complete agreement with Dabbler and Thom's view on it but I can also understand where you are coming from Wellard and am perfectly willing to accept your ruling on it. Thanks so much to all of you for putting such excellent thought into the matter.
Sorry to hear about everyone's storm troubles, but am glad it wasn't worse .
I'm off now to try and deal with this jackhammer in my head. Although if any of you care to continue the conversation about young Japanese women in kilts I can't see myself minding too much (or, wait, was that what you were talking about or am I confused?)
... Although if any of you care to continue the conversation about young Japanese women in kilts I can't see myself minding too much
Those are skirts, they are much shorter (usually) and worn by a different sex, and underwear is usually involved. Usually.
... Although if any of you care to continue the conversation about young Japanese women in kilts I can't see myself minding too muchThose are skirts, they are much shorter (usually) and worn by a different sex, and underwear is usually involved. Usually.
Ah, yes, I believe you are correct sir. You have my gratitude. And they say you English aren't good for anything.
I'd be quite happy to discuss Young Japanese women in kilts but this is a PG 13 board..
Aye, there's the rub.
(Hey, what's the point of getting old if ya get at least a little dirty)
Anyhoo, moving on.So what next gamewise gang? Explore the rest of the mill?
Ah, yes, I believe you are correct sir. You have my gratitude. And they say you English aren't good for anything.
It's my Welsh, Scottish and Irish genes showing through.
Anyhow ... onward and upward, as they say! We'll go through the rest of the sawmill, at least we know now that we are in the right place.
BTW I was checking some of the old thread and realised that all off the survivors of the original party have some fancy town clothes..the ones that Romon and Kallie organised for them way back after the forays into the tunnels (which might have been two years ago but is only a month in game time).
Esteriande is always well-dressed, and if she isn't, she is well undressed. At worst, dishabille.
Fancy clothes eh? Don't think Muchorak will be wearing those anytime soon. lol
Didn't give Muchorak any, figured he was a fashion trainwreck. Besides, he got the sword.
Did Ali get one? Since Kalie left, her burgeoning interest in girly things pretty much evaporated again (and Naria hasn't really seemed so inclined, being the stuffy scholarly type I'm guessing ; )
Now if only there was another female around to re-stir her interest in things feminine....
Kallie commissioned a set of russet brown and green clothes for Ali that she has never actually worn.I'll find the post later.
And I'm sure Auntie Esteriande..who for some reason I now can't see as anyone but Alex Kingston with a French accent..will reawaken her interest in 'girly stuff'
travelling for a few days. I'll post if able. If I'm holding things up, feel free to DMPC me.
Fancy clothes eh? Don't think Muchorak will be wearing those anytime soon. lolDidn't give Muchorak any, figured he was a fashion trainwreck. Besides, he got the sword.
"Contrairement! We merely 'ave to find ze style zat suits you, mon amis - I am zinking ze windswept, rugged and dishabille look will suit, non? Ze flowing shirt open to ze waist, a little crossing of ze baldrics, and voila!"
Did Ali get one? Since Kalie left, her burgeoning interest in girly things pretty much evaporated again (and Naria hasn't really seemed so inclined, being the stuffy scholarly type I'm guessing ; )
Now if only there was another female around to re-stir her interest in things feminine....
"Zat, mon cher, is my quest! We shall make you as ze wildflower stands out amid ze garden of roses!"
Kallie commissioned a set of russet brown and green clothes for Ali that she has never actually worn.I'll find the post later.
And I'm sure Auntie Esteriande..who for some reason I now can't see as anyone but Alex Kingston with a French accent..will reawaken her interest in 'girly stuff'
You've been watching too much Dr Who.
Actually I was thinking much further back to when she played Moll Flanders..
O_o
That's just ... strange.
Wellard:
Wellard: ** spoiler omitted **
Wellard:
Dabbler..next time the party is in Sandpoint I want to run an encounter for Esteriande with a younger version of one of my Jade Regent PC's providing off course that the player in question is agreeable..It's to do with the girl in question converting to the worship of Shelyn so I thought you'd like to play it out a bit.
That's a cool idea, Wellard, I'm up for that!
I've levelled Esteriande, gained Power Attack.
Naria is all lvl'd up