* A 'Pathfinder Agent' PrC, something similar to the 'Harper Agent' from Forgotten Realms, but without all the deific sponsorship.
* Thassilonian Sinmage
I'll throw in another vote for the Bloatmage - very unique and really cool.
I don't think it's a PrC per se - but I would really like to see a formal write up of the Troll Augurs. Trolls that make divinations using their own entrails? Pure brilliance.
They did put a feat in the Classic Monsters Revisted about Troll Augurs - if I remember correctly it has to do with their god.
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Hellknights
Bloatmages (I'll accept a sorceror with a bloatmage bloodline.)
We're not sure yet what Hellknights are going to look like, mechanically. Wes can't decide if he likes them better as a prestige class or a standard class or something else.
Bloatmages get a feat soon and I've heard whispers of a prestige class somewhere down the line, but those are only whispers so who really knows what's going to happen? *shrug*
We're not sure yet what Hellknights are going to look like, mechanically. Wes can't decide if he likes them better as a prestige class or a standard class or something else.
Bloatmages get a feat soon and I've heard whispers of a prestige class somewhere down the line, but those are only whispers so who really knows what's going to happen? *shrug*
Hellknights: Either a fighter or paladin sub levels. If paladin, I'd replace the alignment restriction for "Lawful."
Bloatmages: Awesome. Can't wait to see. :)
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We're not sure yet what Hellknights are going to look like, mechanically. Wes can't decide if he likes them better as a prestige class or a standard class or something else.
I think they should be a full class. Seems like it'd be strange suddenly becoming a hellnight, after all.
Would rather see the Hellknights as a prestige class. It strikes e as more appropriate for them. Also I am against adding more base classes...11 is enough (perhaps too many) in my opinion.
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We're not sure yet what Hellknights are going to look like, mechanically. Wes can't decide if he likes them better as a prestige class or a standard class or something else.
Bloatmages get a feat soon and I've heard whispers of a prestige class somewhere down the line, but those are only whispers so who really knows what's going to happen? *shrug*
I'd like to throw a vote in for not making every organization that has a name into a PrC. There really isn't any need and it's quickly crossing into the rules bloat/unseen mechanics problems territory. Also it seems a double waste after all of the effort Paizo are putting into the base classes.
Bloatmages do rock though! On toast! I don't really think they need a PrC to remain as cool as they are. I feat, I can live with, but not a whole PrC. I'd rather read an awesome short story or something about the Bloatmages than have another PrC. Plus, when you start adding PrC for every organization, the members of said org. all start to have similar stat-ups and become less individual. And I like what's been done with the iconics e.g. low int. rogue etc. I'd like that sort of open mindedness to be applied to stating up all these cool things we're reading about on Golarion.
Say No! to PrC!
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Instead of a sinmage prestige class, I'd have preferred to see variant sin bloodlines for sorcerers.
In fact, the bloodline mechanic provides a huge potential "hook" for storytelling by adventure-writers; it seems like Nick Logue could keep us reeling for days with the types of bloodlines his warped imagination would come up with.
In fact, the bloodline mechanic provides a hige potential "hook" for storytelling by adventure-writers; it seems like Nick Logue could keep us reeling for days with the types of bloodlines his warped imagination would come up with.
You're right. I'm scared.
Let's move on before Nick Logue turns up and proves it....
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In fact, the bloodline mechanic provides a huge potential "hook" for storytelling by adventure-writers;.
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Think you our Blessed Mother has not gifted her Children? She hears the mewling calls for power, and has answered, and has bestowed. Drink deeply of her Milk and feel her love.
And by "love" you mean inflict the kind of internal perversion that will soon be followed by external perversion to a depth at which only HP Lovecraft could best put it into words?
As far as classes, yes, a Hellknight PrC would be welcomed. I have access to Green Ronin's Unholy Warrior's Handbook, and while the "Order's Tyrant" PrC is quite nice, and makes a decent stopgap, it just doesn't have the... glorious insanity that most Paizo creations do.
Bloodmage you might be able to get away with as a Bloodline, but it still sounds more like a PrC to me.
And by "love" you mean inflict the kind of internal perversion that will soon be followed by external perversion to a depth at which only HP Lovecraft could best put it into words?
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I don't care whether you do hellknights as a prestige class, standard class, or chain of nifty feats. I just want it-soon.
As far as bloatmages go, yeah, a prestige class would be neat. And as far as sorcerer bloodlines go: heck yes. I want to see new sorcerer bloodlines, domains, rage powers, and so on.
Cyphermages would be cool; something to do with puzzling out secrets. I saw the name mentioned in the Pathfinder Player's Guide, and would love to see a PrC from it.
PS: It was cyphermage or riddlemage, or somesuch.. I don't have the text in front of me.
In the distant future, I wouldn't mind seeing a samurai that didn't make me want to fall on my own blade in dishonor...
Your wish shall be granted!
I want a Magesmith class, PRC or standard.
Hey Mister Editor-Wizard, you got anything in that bag for me?
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I'd love to see more 5 Lvl PrCs!
This is something I like in Eberron very much. I know that it is because the setting implies that there aren't many high level characters (or NPCs) at all, but these can be of use in high level games as well. Most 10 Lvl PrCs seem a little too stretched to me (not the PF ones, though!) as if the designers didn't have enough ideas to really make use of all ten levels. Mostly there are just abilities that get more powerful each level and often no unique stuff on higher levels. Sure, there are exceptions, but most PrCs only have enough cool ideas for five Lvls. And what's the point about ten level PrCs anyway? Is there a designing reason behind it that there are only ten or five (and very, very little 3 lvl) PrCs out there? Can't there be PrCs with four, six or eight lvls? I designed a six lvl PrC for my homebrew and it works fine...
I hope to see a Erastil archer PrC along the lines of the arcane archer but divine oriented.
An ability to channel turning damage into a single arrow shot would be fitting class feature.
I'd love to see more 5 Lvl PrCs!
This is something I like in Eberron very much. I know that it is because the setting implies that there aren't many high level characters (or NPCs) at all, but these can be of use in high level games as well. Most 10 Lvl PrCs seem a little too stretched to me (not the PF ones, though!) as if the designers didn't have enough ideas to really make use of all ten levels. Mostly there are just abilities that get more powerful each level and often no unique stuff on higher levels. Sure, there are exceptions, but most PrCs only have enough cool ideas for five Lvls. And what's the point about ten level PrCs anyway? Is there a designing reason behind it that there are only ten or five (and very, very little 3 lvl) PrCs out there? Can't there be PrCs with four, six or eight lvls? I designed a six lvl PrC for my homebrew and it works fine...
My goodness, this notion of a low level Prc sounds really intriguing!
I bet it would well for a MAGESMITH Class! :D
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I'd like to see more prestige back in the prestige classes. They need to be part of something. Level substitutions can be better than some prestige classes.
Let's take the Duelest for example. Make him a Thug substitute.
1st level, replace the Thug's skills with the duelists. allow the duelist abilities to work in light armor.
Instead of bonus feats he gets...
4th level, canny defense
6th level, Improved Reaction +2, increases to +4 at 10th level
8th level, Enhanced Mobility
10th level, Grace
12th level Precise attack +1d6, increases to +2d6 at 20th level
14th level acrobatic charge
16th level Elaborate Parry = 1/2 BAB
18th level Deflect Arrows
20th level, Bonus feat
Voila! Duelest.
As a counter, Shadowdancers should remain an elite group, a (shadow) organization as it were.
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Using my powers of foresight, I predict we will see a 64-page Pathfinder Chronicles product, "Heroes of Golarion" featuring setting details and the necessary rules to play such characters as:
Hellknights
Bloatmages
Pathfinders
Cyphermages
Shamans
Tortoise Tamers
and others!
Some will be PrCs, some will be a handful of feats, some may even be full classes! There will be gorgeous art and clever alternate rules, and the fandom will go wild.
At least that's what I see. The future is murky, the Dark Side still clouds everything.
Using my powers of foresight, I predict we will see a 64-page Pathfinder Chronicles product, "Heroes of Golarion" featuring setting details and the necessary rules to play such characters as:
Magesmiths
Hellknights
Bloatmages
Pathfinders
Cyphermages
Shamans
Tortoise Tamersand others!
Some will be PrCs, some will be a handful of feats, some may even be full classes! There will be gorgeous art and clever alternate rules, and the fandom will go wild.
At least that's what I see. The future is murky, the Dark Side still clouds everything.
I fixed that for ya. ;)
Actually I'd like to see more general PrCs included.
Archmage and Asassin are good examples. And along with these the general guidelines and ideas to convert them for more specific roles.
Hn. On the one hand, it's difficult to see how any single PrC could be adapted for the countless different character types who could become Pathfinders. On the other hand, given that the Red Mantis organisation contains a few (admittedly somewhat atypical) members without any ranks in the PrC, I feel confident in my ability to sidestep the issue entirely should I come up with a character who doesn't fit the mold.
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I hope to see a Erastil archer PrC along the lines of the arcane archer but divine oriented.
An ability to channel turning damage into a single arrow shot would be fitting class feature.
Or at the very least a feat that lets paladins fire smite-augmented arrow. (Yes, I know there's one in the BoED; but Paizo can't use it. Maybe make one that's usable by paladins and blackguards called "Archer's Smite" or something...)
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Or at the very least a feat that lets paladins fire smite-augmented arrow. (Yes, I know there's one in the BoED; but Paizo can't use it. Maybe make one that's usable by paladins and blackguards called "Archer's Smite" or something...)I hope to see a Erastil archer PrC along the lines of the arcane archer but divine oriented.
An ability to channel turning damage into a single arrow shot would be fitting class feature.
I would also like to see a full spread of "toolbox" PrCs that allow for any 2-class multiclassing one wants.
Alignment-legal combinations:
Barbarian/Bard
Barbarian/Cleric
Barbarian/Druid
Barbarian/Fighter
Barbarian/Ranger
Barbarian/Rogue
Barbarian/Sorcerer
Barbarian/Wizard
Bard/Cleric
Bard/Druid
Bard/Fighter
Bard/Monk
Bard/Paladin
Bard/Ranger
Bard/Rogue
Bard/Sorcerer
Bard/Wizard
Cleric/Druid
Cleric/Fighter
Cleric/Monk
Cleric/Paladin
Cleric/Ranger
Cleric/Rogue
Cleric/Sorcerer-Mystic Theurge
Cleric/Wizard-Mystic Theurge
Druid/Fighter
Druid/Monk
Druid/Ranger
Druid/Rogue
Druid/Sorcerer
Druid/Wizard
Fighter/Monk
Fighter/Paladin
Fighter/Ranger
Fighter/Rogue
Fighter/Sorcerer-Eldritch Knight
Fighter/Wizard-Eldritch Knight
Monk/Paladin
Monk/Ranger
Monk/Rogue
Monk/Sorcerer
Monk/Wizard
Paladin/Ranger
Paladin/Rogue
Paladin/Sorcerer
Paladin/Wizard
Ranger/Rogue
Ranger/Sorcerer
Ranger/Wizard
Rogue/Sorcerer-Arcane Trickster
Rogue/Wizard-Arcane Trickster
Sorcerer/Wizard
Alignment-Illegal Combinations:
Barbarian/Monk
Barbarian/Paladin
Druid/Paladin (Especially with Erastil in the setting, I'd like to see this)
With the SRD prestige classes in there, that leaves 46 legal combinations and 3 "exotic" ones. Maybe slightly fewer if you let the sorcerer & wizard PrCs do double duty. On the other hand, once you've covered those the toolbox is complete.
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Plus, when you start adding PrC for every organization, the members of said org. all start to have similar stat-ups and become less individual.
Just wanted to address this one specific point: they don't have to. Let's apply the idea of prestige and base classes to real life.
You have a police department. "Police Officer" is definitely a prestige class. The easiest way in is through one of two tracks: the "Soldier" base class and the "student" base class. Some aspiring police officers multiclass between these two base classes, but you're still about the same level when you get in. Once you've entered the police officer prestige class, you can keep taking levels in police officer, or you can pick up a specialized officer class. (Detective, K-9 Handler, S.W.A.T. officer, or Gang Specialist) The Accident Investigator, Evidence Tech, and Juvenile Officer feats also become available. There's nothing wrong with the base "Police Officer" PrC, though. Most of the people who take it stay with it until retirement. (Staying in the patrol division)
If you had stayed with the soldier base class, you could just keep following the basic soldier class (working the way up the NCO ranks as an infantryman) or you can take levels in Military Driver, Tanker, Military Tech, Medic, Commando, MP(which is very good for getting into the police officer PrC) or any number of other specialized military PrCs. A variety of exotic weapon proficiency feats and feats representing various schools also become available. You can also take levels in the "Commissioned Officer" military prestige class.
If you had stayed with the student base class, you could keep following it (Eventually becoming a teaching professor at a university) or start taking levels in a professional prestige class that (usually, but not always) relates to your "field of study" class feature. From here, the sky's the limit, really. The student base class is one of the most versatile in the entire game. You can, like the soldier, also take levels in the "Commissioned Officer" military prestige class.
Under a system like this, is every police officer (or student, or soldier) going to look the same? Of course not! This is also the way I approach them in my home game. For instance, the church of Korad (comparable to a combination of Sarenrae and Iomedae in Golarion) offers training in the following PrCs:
Pious Templar
Fist of Raziel
Ordained Champion
Sacred Exorcist
Divine Trickster
Several different "sun god" PrCs
Hospitaler
Characters can pick from those and build if they're making a follower of Korad. Similar lists exist for every other organization (religious or not). The Ossorus Council, a good secret society that works behind the scenes, allows access to:
Slayer of Domiel
Nightsong Infiltrator
Nightsong Enforcer
Arcane Trickster
Unseen Seer
Chameleon
Master of Masks
Daggerspell Mage
Ebonmar Infiltrator
And so on. THIS is the way I'd like to see prestige classes approached in Pathfinder.
I would love to see someting like the old second ed Gypsy Bard or jester
Heard in a podcast that they were making a Harrower class that uses the Harrow Deck. Could be interesting.
A viable fighter/wizard that isn't race specific, and a rogue/cleric that isn't race specific.
Another thing is... I really don't want to see any PrCs that are only good for a level dip. *ahem* Contemplative/Divine Oracle (okay, 2)/Spellsword/Shadow Adept/Sacred Exorcist *ahem* to name a few.
Heard in a podcast that they were making a Harrower class that uses the Harrow Deck. Could be interesting.
It's in the Campaign Setting book. :)
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