
Cheddar Bearer |

Ha ha. I like it myself. At least there is some kind of story behind it. Again a great back story for a cool character. I like the twist on the traditional barbarian back story of slaughtered families. Killed by monsters, nope they just made her angry.
Also look forward to learning more about the Land of the Mammoth Kings. Can't wait for the Gazetteer.

Stebehil |

It's also got the obligatory "tiny panties poking out of the top of her pants", which I thought only showed up in comic book art until I started dating a girl from Brazil.
Heh. I´ve seen my share of girls wearing their clothes like that, and sometimes, it is not pleasing to the eye - "spontaneous eye cancer syndrome" or "optical gravity" are our keywords for this. If you want to wear belly-free, you should be (pot-)belly-free.
Stefan

Great Guru |

I like everything except the bare midriff. The abdomen is the most vulnerable part of the human body and the quickest way to a long, agonizing death. Plus she's from an extremely cold environment (the Kodars).
However, she is very hawt.
If, of course, you have a much higher grapple modifier and a ring of protection +5.

The Jade |

The Final Fantasy sword disease has been bugging me for years. I even get emails saying, "Are you happy with the size of your sword?"
Whether it's steroidal bulk, fake boobs, SUVs, or meal portions, it seems we're supersizing everything. Soon the size Tiny and Fine won't even exist in D&D. Colossal+ will become a more regularly used descriptor and a next size up will be offered: OMFG!
I like Amiri's backstory and the name Amiri, as a segment, will play quite well into my dirty palindromes.

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You know for all the claims of "HUGE SWORD" her sword is shorter than some RL swords. It just happens to be about 2-3 times wider than RL ones. Being nerdy as I am, I measured Amiri and the blade of her sword using a tape measurer. As images are measured in pixels not inches, for reference I am using a 16 inch widescreen running at 1280x800 resolution. Now, by my measurements, Amiri herself is (roughly) 6 inches tall. For simplicity, I'm going to say she is 6 feet tall. That makes 1 inch = 1 foot. Now with that in mind, I measured her sword, and got roughly 4 inches or 4 foot. The width of the sword measured half an inch which makes it 6 inches. Now, the only dimension I can't measure is thickness, so I am going to assume that it isn't much thicker than a human sword(unless someone can explain why giants would want to make their swords thicker.) A quick check on the internet gives me a measurement of 1/8 of an inch which having seen swords in RL seems about right.
So with these measurements I can figure out how much it weights. I looked up density of steel and got .284 pound per cubic inch for carbon steel, the type of steel found in swords.
48 inches(4 foot)x6 inches*.125(1/8 inch)=36, 36*.284=10.224 pounds.
Your measurement may vary, but your ratio should not, The sword should be 4/6 the height of Amiri, the blade width should 1/12 her height, the thickness is questionable, but I went with the norm.
A 10 pound sword isn't crazy folks.. There are heavier swords in RL. Awkward? A little, but that what the -2 to hit is for folks.
That aside, I like Amiri's back story.

The Jade |

The Jade wrote:Soon the size Tiny and Fine won't even exist in D&D. Colossal+ will become a more regularly used descriptor and a next size up will be offered: OMFG!You're half right. Fine is out of 4e, but so it Colossal. Gargantuan is as big as they get from now on.
I... y... your head seems to have been... EATEN BY YODA! AAAAAAA! (though those little nibble marks around the neck stump are still somehow adorable... oh, Yoda... I can't quit you.)

The Jade |

The Jade wrote:Yeah, I get those too. Silly spammers, don't they know I use a maul?The Final Fantasy sword disease has been bugging me for years. I even get emails saying, "Are you happy with the size of your sword?"
Exactly. Sword? Please. I brings a ruckus to da ladies with an angry dumptruck.

KaeYoss |

The sword looks like it got a new handle to accomodate the new and puny wielder. (Speaking from a giant's standpoint here).
It's also got the obligatory "tiny panties poking out of the top of her pants", which I thought only showed up in comic book art until I started dating a girl from Brazil.
Not panties. She dyes.

pres man |

About the exposed stomach, there may actually be a logical reason why women in this setting would show it. Because of Lamashtu, women who worship her tend to have badly scarred bellies (see Burnt Offerings). So women who expose their stomach are either showing that they do worship her (if it is scarred) or do not (if it is not). Of course not all women will do this, but in areas where worshippers and non-worshippers of the Mother of Monsters fight, it is not an unreasonable practice.

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About the exposed stomach, there may actually be a logical reason why women in this setting would show it. Because of Lamashtu, women who worship her tend to have badly scarred bellies (see Burnt Offerings). So women who expose their stomach are either showing that they do worship her (if it is scarred) or do not (if it is not). Of course not all women will do this, but in areas where worshippers and non-worshippers of the Mother of Monsters fight, it is not an unreasonable practice.
OOOoooo, I like it! Justified belly-buttons!

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The Jade wrote:Soon the size Tiny and Fine won't even exist in D&D. Colossal+ will become a more regularly used descriptor and a next size up will be offered: OMFG!You're half right. Fine is out of 4e, but so it Colossal. Gargantuan is as big as they get from now on.
NNOOOoooo! I love my Big Red and was hoping to get the rest of the dragons that get to Colossal size too :(

JRM |
You know for all the claims of "HUGE SWORD" her sword is shorter than some RL swords. It just happens to be about 2-3 times wider than RL ones. Being nerdy as I am, I measured Amiri and the blade of her sword using a tape measurer. *snip*
So with these measurements I can figure out how much it weights. I looked up density of steel and got .284 pound per cubic inch for carbon steel, the type of steel found in swords.
48 inches(4 foot)x6 inches*.125(1/8 inch)=36, 36*.284=10.224 pounds.
Your measurement may vary, but your ratio should not, The sword should be 4/6 the height of Amiri, the blade width should 1/12 her height, the thickness is questionable, but I went with the norm.
Hmm... according to my estimates you've underestimated there. I've only got one real-life sword to compare, a 19th century cavalry sword with a blade 35" long (from the guard to tip, if you include the hilt it's 42" long), the blade is 1" wide and 5/16" thick at the broadest point. It weighs 28.5 ounces.
By my measurements Amiri's sword is 66 inches long, with a blade 48 inches long and eight inches wide, to the closest inch. If I just ignore any differences in thickness and just work out weight based on the ratio of the two sword's length & width it would weigh:
28.5 ounces * (48/35) * (8/1) = 312.68 ounces, or around 19.5 pounds.
Furthermore, the sword would have to be thicker than one designed for a human or else it would bend under the strength of a giant's blows. A frost giant is 250% the height of a man (15') and has the roughly the same proportion strength (going by its average strength and weight scores a male frost giant is about fourteen times stronger and sixteen times heavier than an average male human in D&D). From this, it seems reasonably that a frost giant's sword should also be around 250% thicker and heavier than one designed for a human. If I multiply its weight by this fraction the sword should weigh about fifty pounds.

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Anyone else notice that she's packing a small arsenal? I count the sword, a handaxe, a dagger, a bow, two spears/javelins, and possibly what would count as a spiked gauntlet. She's armed to the teeth. She's also got some obvious battle scars, which is good. I'm sick of veteran warriors with unmarked skin.

JRM |
Anyone else notice that she's packing a small arsenal? I count the sword, a handaxe, a dagger, a bow, two spears/javelins, and possibly what would count as a spiked gauntlet. She's armed to the teeth. She's also got some obvious battle scars, which is good. I'm sick of veteran warriors with unmarked skin.
Yes, it's good to see a melee-character who's got the scars to show they've been in some actual melee. I'm also pleased to see that the bow she's carrying is being stored unstrung like they should be - although I can't help wondering were she's keeping her arrows.
Another thing that's occurred to me is Amiri's giant sword is probably too short to be a frost giant's "immense bastard sword" like the character background says. Since most human-sized bastard sword are a tad over three foot long, you'd expect a version scaled for a 15' giant to be eight feet or more. It's nearer to a frost-giant scale shortsword.
P.S. I just realized I made a silly mistake in my last post - the sword I was using for a comparison was an infantry officer's sword, not cavalry. I knew that all along, so how the heck did I type in the wrong thing. Oh well, better corrected late than never.

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I don't care about the physics of it at all. When we get around to playing second darkness I got dibs on playing Amiri. That is probably the coolest backstory yet for an iconic, right up there with Seenah in my mind. I can't wait to see the wide eyed looks from my fellow players when she goes rage and starts swinging that bad boy around. She is gonna be one awesome character to play.

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Timespike wrote:Anyone else notice that she's packing a small arsenal? I count the sword, a handaxe, a dagger, a bow, two spears/javelins, and possibly what would count as a spiked gauntlet. She's armed to the teeth. She's also got some obvious battle scars, which is good. I'm sick of veteran warriors with unmarked skin.Yes, it's good to see a melee-character who's got the scars to show they've been in some actual melee.
I'm a big proponent of this. I played a paladin back in the day who had five huge scars running diagonally across his face from a previous fight with a werewolf as part of his backstory. He would've been quite handsome except for the huge, ragged facial scars.
Grim as hell, too. He was fun to play, but I don't think I want to play someone that bleak and stoic again for a while. Egads, but he had issues...

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Quijenoth wrote:I guess it didn't sell well enough.
NNOOOoooo! I love my Big Red and was hoping to get the rest of the dragons that get to Colossal size too :(
I think it was less sales (though it's fairly pricey for a single mini) and that had to have a negative effect on the numbers) and more that the extremes in size are just too hard to handle in combat. Something that big is far too unwieldy to work in most situations.

KaeYoss |

KaeYoss wrote:I think it was less sales (though it's fairly pricey for a single mini) and that had to have a negative effect on the numbers) and more that the extremes in size are just too hard to handle in combat. Something that big is far too unwieldy to work in most situations.Quijenoth wrote:I guess it didn't sell well enough.
NNOOOoooo! I love my Big Red and was hoping to get the rest of the dragons that get to Colossal size too :(
I never had problems with serpent-centipedes, great wyrms, clerics who use miracle to copy the giant size spell, tarrasques, and the like. You just don't put them into room E28 in the dungeon. Critters of that calibre get their own dungeons, their own nations, their own realms. Wide open plains, wide open skies.
I'm sick of veteran warriors with unmarked skin.
They sold their naked skin (the parts you see when they're dressed in their usual adventuring garb) as advertising space to clerics and their miraculous healing magic.

Michael F |

I think JRM's estimate of the pictured sword's weight is better than BM's estimate. Closer to 50 pounds than 10 pounds, because I think it's wider than 6 inches and probably fairly thick.
I also agree that although it's a big looking sword in the picture, it doesn't look quite big enough to be a Frost Giant's Bastard Sword.
Bottom line, the picture is not a 100% accurate representation of the background text and the game rule mechanics.
But still, it's a great picture and a great background story. I like the idea of using Rage as the work-around for carrying an outsize weapon instead of Monkey Fist (which a lot of folks I know think is a lame feat).
I remember I saw someone who had an Orc Barbarian Archery specialist. He carried this ridiculously overpowered strenth bow that he could only use effectively if he was raging. Otherwise he had to take the -2. But the amount of damage he could do while raging was obscene.

Evil Genius |

I remember I saw someone who had an Orc Barbarian Archery specialist. He carried this ridiculously overpowered strenth bow that he could only use effectively if he was raging. Otherwise he had to take the -2. But the amount of damage he could do while raging was obscene.
Hehe, yup. Strong archers are pretty scary. I sent my players up against a frost giant hunting party led by a 4th level ranger (archery specialist), and the giant leader's tactic of casting entangle and then letting loose with volleys of arrows really had the party going for a while.