What would you mount on giant mantises?


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I was just thinking about interesting, oddball encounters, and had been recently looking at giant mantises. I was thinking goblins, but would they have the patience to train such creatures? It would have to be a small race - they only have a 16 Str. Kobolds? Maybe wayang? What small races work with insects and would have the temerity to train them?


Mites train insects. Or are you looking at PC races?


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What would I mount on giant mantises?

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avr wrote:
Mites train insects. Or are you looking at PC races?

Any, really. Do you think mites would have what it takes?


It's what they do. I remember a f'ing huge giant centipede in Kingmaker.

Sure, I expect they lose a few mites in the process - their home didn't seem like an exhibition of perfect Health and Safety practices - but they appear to be willing to wear that cost.


avr wrote:

It's what they do. I remember a f'ing huge giant centipede in Kingmaker.

Sure, I expect they lose a few mites in the process - their home didn't seem like an exhibition of perfect Health and Safety practices - but they appear to be willing to wear that cost.

LOL! Cool, I'm sold. Maybe a trio of Verminous Hunters and a double handful of other mites, a few with bugs of their own...seems like it'll work.

Ugh, might not. No giant preying mantis on the list. Hmmm...


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Some sort of Asian-culture inspired halflings? Honor guards in the royal garden, specializing in ambush tactics. Netting or tanglefoot'ing someone as they're skewered by a giant praying mantis would be problematic, or just going all-out offense and lancing them (with some suitably weird-looking, barbed lances), or taking to the air while you rain down javelins or darts?

And as far as giant bugs are concerned:

-bandits on dragonflies.

-desert nomads on scorpions.

-bounty hunters on fireflies.

-a Mad Max-style crew on a variety. The tracker on his wasp, the brute on a stag beetle, the alchemist on his bombardier beetle, the necromancer on his bottle fly.

I've also gotten a lot of mileage out of going into the details on what kind of giant bug it is, exactly. A fight with a giant trapdoor spider feels vastly different than one with a cellar spider. Goblins dumping foot-long house centipedes on you is just...so much grosser than what one typical imagines.


Some really interesting suggestions, there. I may use some.

Earlier, I was thinking of a howdah on a goliath stag beetle.


Grippli?

EldonGuyre wrote:
It would have to be a small race - they only have a 16 Str.

That's the same as the Strength of a Light Horse. You get carry capacity bonuses for being a Large creature and for being a Quadruped (which I think describes them better than 'Biped', the other category listed). This gives a light load limit of 228lbs and a medium load limit of 459lbs.


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Matthew Downie wrote:

Grippli?

EldonGuyre wrote:
It would have to be a small race - they only have a 16 Str.
That's the same as the Strength of a Light Horse. You get carry capacity bonuses for being a Large creature and for being a Quadruped (which I think describes them better than 'Biped', the other category listed). This gives a light load limit of 228lbs and a medium load limit of 459lbs.

Ok, true.

They can still fly with up to medium cc, right?


The rules are kinda ambiguous on the subject.
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Halfling Druids with the Animal-Insect domain, who have a couple of insect swarms with them. Plague Locust Swarms might be fun.

Cape of Wasps maybe?


I could see vine leshy cohabiting with the things as they'd be camouflage for one another.


I've got nothing helpful to say here. I just wanted to share that when I first read this I thought it said Manatee. Mantis makes a whole lot more sense.


One of my favorite swamp combat encounters in a short-lived game I ran had goblins riding on giant flies. They used javelins and and lances. What they would do is fly overhead of enemies and pelt them with javelins until the archers were dead, then dive in with their lances to kill those that remained. At least, that was their intended strategy.

Said goblins also had angry giant beetles they would send out at their enemies as shock troops to soften the enemy up before the goblins themselves would charge in. Goblins like letting giant bugs dying for them rather than the other way around.

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Realizing that a mantises eat anything moving?

One word. "Lunch."


I'd put some Dromites on them. Mix it up a little bit. A nest of Dromites have domesticated the giant mantises.


I have the books, but have yet to make use of psionics...

Could be interesting.


EldonGuyre wrote:
avr wrote:

It's what they do. I remember a f'ing huge giant centipede in Kingmaker.

Sure, I expect they lose a few mites in the process - their home didn't seem like an exhibition of perfect Health and Safety practices - but they appear to be willing to wear that cost.

LOL! Cool, I'm sold. Maybe a trio of Verminous Hunters and a double handful of other mites, a few with bugs of their own...seems like it'll work.

Ugh, might not. No giant preying mantis on the list. Hmmm...

Giant mantis. Though they don't have to be animal/vermin companions, they could be trained mounts without being companions.


A progressively smaller series of mantises, each on each other's backs...

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