Thrall of Malcanthet


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My friends and i are about to start an evil campaign based in Ravenloft. I am playing the group face and just discovered the wonderful prestige class Thrall of Malcanthet from Dragon 353. I was planning out my characters progression and came up with this...

1-5 Bard
6-15 Thrall

my question is for the last 5 levels should i got back to bard and get more spells or go Enthralling Dancer(complete scoundrel) and get some cool abilities. i know this isnt the best build for pure damage but my party members have that covered with a red half dragon fighter, an orc rogue(who uses a greatsword) and a drow cleric of Lolth, im human by the way. any and all thoughts would be appreciated, and if you know of some other class that would work please say so.

note: i am intersted in a maximum of 3 classes

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I'm not familiar with the Thrall PrC, but I would highly recommend the Seeker of the Song PrC or the Sublime Chord PrC from the Complete Arcane. The Seeker of the Song augments your bardic music by giving you new things to do wtih your daily songs while the Sublime Chord amplifies your spellcasting ability (though if the Thrall does not continue your bard class spell progression, you will not be able to qualify for it).

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If I remember correctly, one of the suggested builds in the Malcanthet article was a few levels of Monk, a level or 2 of sorcerer, and then the Prestige Class. So maybe this:

1-4 Monk
5 Sorcerer
6-10 Thrall
11-20 alternate levels of Monk with levels of Thrall

Since the Thrall presitge class increases spell casting level, you only really need at least 1 level of arcane spell caster. And those special thrall abilities will be great up close.

You could also take the above combo and substitute Swashbuckler for Monk.

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Aberzombie wrote:
You could also take the above combo and substitute Swashbuckler for Monk.

This would be advisable since monks cannot gain more levels of monk once they have taken a level in another class (sorcerer in this case). The only way around it is to take sorcerer at 1st level and then go monk from there. Of course, if you use the Monastic Training feat from the Eberron Campaign Setting or if you have a DM willing to bend the rules, this is a moot point.

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Fatespinner wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
You could also take the above combo and substitute Swashbuckler for Monk.
This would be advisable since monks cannot gain more levels of monk once they have taken a level in another class (sorcerer in this case).

Crap! Sorry about that. Truth to tell, I've yet to play a monk, so have never really read up on them. Thanks for the swift kick in the ass Fatespinner

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Monk 1-2
Beguiler 3-5
Thrall 6-15
Mindbender 16-20

I know it's 4 classes, but you could take out the monk classes as they aren't necessary


There's a Thrall of Malcanthet PrC floating around ? I gotta get that, seeing as how I suspect my less-than-morally-stable PCs are quickly sliding the slippery slope into evil alignments.


Dragon 353. All of the demon lords published in the Demonomicon series have thrall PrCs to go with them. This is why everyone's peeved about the mags going away, even though Graz'zt is supposed to appear in the first electronic issue of Dragon. Hardcopy has its advantages!


msmzed wrote:

My friends and i are about to start an evil campaign based in Ravenloft. I am playing the group face and just discovered the wonderful prestige class Thrall of Malcanthet from Dragon 353. I was planning out my characters progression and came up with this...

1-5 Bard
6-15 Thrall

my question is for the last 5 levels should i got back to bard and get more spells or go Enthralling Dancer(complete scoundrel) and get some cool abilities. i know this isnt the best build for pure damage but my party members have that covered with a red half dragon fighter, an orc rogue(who uses a greatsword) and a drow cleric of Lolth, im human by the way. any and all thoughts would be appreciated, and if you know of some other class that would work please say so.

note: i am intersted in a maximum of 3 classes

Hrm... currently I am in that specific build progession in the campaign that I'm a player in, and in the same dilemma. The way I have my character built thus far is not necessarily for combat but moreso for manipulation. In fact, I try to stay entirely out of phsyical combat and only playing my flut when I get bored (a lil rp flavor there). Being a Thrall of Malconthet, I've done some reading in the same mag that the PrC debuted in but also the fiendish codex. From there I had decided to build the character as a Radiant Sister (15th LvL Bard Succubi) as much as possible. I have a glove of storing that hides a whip within. I couldn't afford the second glove of storing (as the Radiant Sisters each have two), but I'm trying to work it from there.

Now that I have revealed that I'm trying to stay as much as a Radiant Sister, would I just pickup the Bard lvls as they had left off? I'm also not sure about how that would progress being that the Thrall PrC does pickup on the spell progressions (only losing three lvls of such). I love being a slight hassle to the DM, but I also enjoy a great RP character. Right now I'm in the Savage Tide adventure (and if I remember right, I'm in the Underdark or something of the sort), so if that tidbit of info helps, PLEASE HELP!

Many thanks,

- The Standby Hero

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Battledancer ! (From Dragon Compendium). Basically a non-lawful monk with an AC bonus based on Charisma. I used it for a Bard/Thrall NPC in a campaign I'm running. I'm AFB at the moment, but the way I remember it, Battledancer gets you Cha to AC as a dodge bonus when unarmored, then Cha mod as a deflection bonus from Thrall. Even if the Thrall bonus is also dodge they should stack.

So Bard X/Battledancer 1/Thrall 10 is the way I'd do it if you want to stick to three classes. I think the flavor works well, and it gets you minor combat boost (mostly defensive) while letting you run around wearing nothing but veils. Or nothing.

Another interesting, albeit weird, approach would be mixing Bard, Thrall of M and Sublime Chord to MAYBE get 8-9th level spells. It's a little wonky, but I think you could work it like this(again, I'm away from books, so not sure where the Thrall's no spell-casting levels fall):

Bard 5/Thrall 5 (advancing Bard spell-casting)/Sublime Chord 1/Thrall 6-10 (advancing Sublime Chord spellcasting)/Sublime Chord 2-5

Depending on where the Thrall dead levels fall, that should get you something like the spellcasting of a Sublime Chord 8 or 9, so probably 8th level spells? Along with all the Thrall goodies.

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