Poll: Who is the best Dungeon villian?


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Paizo Employee Creative Director

So then! Here's your chance to stand up for your favorite bad guy! Who is your favorite villian from Dungeon? Stand up and be heard!

Sovereign Court

You sir, failed to include Malcanthet.

Sure, she hasn't been the big baddy in any of them, but she's out there, poking people and getting stuff done.


I pick Vanthus, because my players only know he is the older brother of Lavinia and has disapearred after their parents death and they already are suspicious of him. No one suspects Lavinia, go figure. I' ve only read the first two adventures in this A P. But the things he does in these two opening adventures is guaranteed to make him hated early on in the campaign.
Besides He becomes a death knight that is vilinous isn't it?

I would have picked Demogorgon, but as far as I can remember (and I have Dungeon issue #1), Demogorgon has yet to appear in Dungeon. Although I remember a super cool adventure with a temple of Demogorgon a while back. Does any one remember what adventure and issue that was in. I remember demonic worshipping trogs and raging giant apes.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

James, you kick ass for not including the cop-out "other" option!

Now all you waffling bastards have to make a choice!!!

Faceless One FTW.


someone wrote:
Dragotha. Hands down.

I must say Dragotha is pretty awesome. Any one remember the classic adventure where Dragotha was first mentioned?

Liberty's Edge

yeah, no "other" is cool, but very hard to pick just one ... Mr Dory so far, but I'm starting to waver to Vhalantru...

So I take it the choices here are based on the top picks from the other non-poll poll?


In the game I ran, Tongue eater went down like a lil' biiieaaatch!
What a wus.


One more comment. I believe flame was a red dragon wizard. He was scary, A RED DRAGON WIZARD. Anyway you 3.x geners probably don't understand how such a creature could be so scary. But in the earlier editions a RED DRAGON WIZARD was unheard of.
I think he had no wings or stumps or something like that.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Dang. I knew I'd forget one!

I'll see if I can squeeze Malcanthet in there...

The choices are indeed culled from the first incarnation of the non-poll post I made a while back, and since Malcanthet got fogotten there, she got forgotten here. Which is a shame, because she's one of the major villians for an adventure path AND for the Maure Castle adventues...

ANYway... I'm sure there's plenty others I left off.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Bleh... not sure how to add her in. Ah well. If you REALLY wanna vote for Malcanthet, say so in a post here. If there's a big upswelling of support for her, I'll take notice.

Sovereign Court

I did actually want to vote for her. Vanthus is easy to make your players hate, and Demogorgon is horrible, but Malcanthet is subtle and seductive, and in my group that can lead to things like fallen paladins, tough decisions and horrible betrayals.

In other words, good clean fun.

Dark Archive

Chalk me up for BALABAR SMENK! Just the mention of "Smenk" draws half-sneers/half-smiles from my friends who encountered him. That's the mark of a great villain.

Contributor

I would have to say OTHER on this one. I know he doesn't technically qualify as a villain, but my vote is for that bastard Avner Merivanchi. I haven't read about a single person on these boards having anything buy enmity towards this fop.

Contributor

Sebastian wrote:

James, you kick ass for not including the cop-out "other" option!

Now all you waffling bastards have to make a choice!!!

Faceless One FTW.

Waffle - waffle - waffle. Check out my post lawyer boy! Ha!

Liberty's Edge

"Mr. Dory, what went wrong in your head?
Mi-hister Gory, did you talk to the dead?"


warduke all the way ppl that and no one has voted for him yet

Paizo Employee Creative Director

OH! Hey! There she is!

You can now vote for Malcanthet. Whew!

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Steve Greer wrote:
I would have to say OTHER on this one. I know he doesn't technically qualify as a villain, but my vote is for that bastard Avner Merivanchi. I haven't read about a single person on these boards having anything buy enmity towards this fop.

You're damn right: "other" never has been a villian in a Dungeon adventure and does not technically qualify as such. That's why you can't vote for him.

*grumble*

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Who is Mr. Dory?

Liberty's Edge

Pet me; I didn't "other" it out this time.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Heathansson wrote:
Pet me; I didn't "other" it out this time.

I don't know if I like you like you enough for that. I will however award you one of Mike McArtor's special baked virtual cookies. Made with only the freshest virtual agreements and prepared using Mrs. McArtor's secret recipe, passed down for generations (though, up until the advent of the internet, largely useless, which really begs the question of the McArtor family's sanity or precognitive abilities, but I digress).

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian wrote:
Who is Mr. Dory?

The Styes, man, The Styes!

Well, more accurately, a councilman who *ahem* lives in The Styes...

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Mothman wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Who is Mr. Dory?

The Styes, man, The Styes!

Well, more accurately, a councilman who *ahem* lives in The Styes...

Ah, thanks. Sorry, it's been a while since I read that adventure.

Spoiler:
Is he the corpse creature guy?

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Yup, that's the one.


Dinner is served!! Dinner is served!!


Iggwilv. She rose to top through her own wiles and wits, and she still started out as a mortal being.


You forgot "Rudvarien" I have ran him with so many different groups and they all still twitch nervously every time they go to an inn. With little modifications he can be challenging to any level character or done right whole groups can be terrified. (My evil DM is leaking out)


Sir Kaikillah wrote:
someone wrote:
Dragotha. Hands down.
I must say Dragotha is pretty awesome. Any one remember the classic adventure where Dragotha was first mentioned?

Now I remember White Plume Mountain. Thatw what I get when I post at paizo when I should be working.


Azurax Silverhawk - Epic level wizard from way back in Dungeon #10's Threshold of Evil. He acts like a bad guy, sounds like a bad guy, is set up to look like a bad guy, but really not a bad guy (though he's getting there). The player characters really don't have to kill Azurax (or his army of simulacri) just convince the near-deific mage that the path he's on is wrong. A lot of the other villains on this list are just evil for evil sake, some probably twirl their mustaches and there's nothing wrong with that. Some (like Warduke) have a sort of cool Boba Fett bad-ass-thing going, but me, I likes it more complicated than that.

GGG


James Jacobs wrote:
Bleh... not sure how to add her in. Ah well. If you REALLY wanna vote for Malcanthet, say so in a post here. If there's a big upswelling of support for her, I'll take notice.

Cough cough, I already made my vote (see above), but Viktor from Chimes at Midnight should probably be on the list as well.

GGG


What!? No Bargle the Infamous from Issue #150! Not even that two-headed chimp can compare to Bargle! He's the BBG that everyone loves to hate! :)

--Ray.

Dark Archive

I voted for Warduke, because I use him in every campaign that I run. Nobody has battled him yet, because I don't see him as a Boba Fett kind of villian so much as I use him in the way he was described in Dungeon--as the boogeyman. This guy is the slayer of adventuring parties and nobody wants to ever have to face him. I have always used him as background (for example: in one campaign that I ran, in Freeport, he showed up on a big ship that anchored out in the harbor. I described him disembarking, but never used his name. The party witnessed him coming to shore, but then got inside--fast. The next morning, a higher level adventuring group that the party idolized had been slaughtered in their tower, and the ship was gone.) Someday, however, BAM!--somebody is actually gonna have to fight the guy. I can hardly wait.


Great Green God wrote:
Cough cough, I already made my vote (see above), but Viktor from Chimes at Midnight should probably be on the list as well.

Hey, yeah! You forgot Viktor. Oh well.

And could people please spell 'villain' correctly, for the love of malcanthet?

Contributor

Sebastian wrote:
Steve Greer wrote:
I would have to say OTHER on this one. I know he doesn't technically qualify as a villain, but my vote is for that bastard Avner Merivanchi. I haven't read about a single person on these boards having anything buy enmity towards this fop.

You're damn right: "other" never has been a villian in a Dungeon adventure and does not technically qualify as such. That's why you can't vote for him.

*grumble*

Sebastian, my law books friend, you just got me thinking of how to remedy that. I'm going to go ahead and create a villain in my next project and name him "Other".

Dark Archive

Krypter wrote:
And could people please spell 'villain' correctly, for the love of malcanthet?

I was going to, but I thought that in the spirit of the title of this board I should go ahead and spell it in the same way. When in Rome...

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

What??!??! No love for #120's Harbinger?

Evil. Monk. With A Tentacle. In The Desert.

What more could you want?

Heathens


I can't believe I'm only the second person to vote for Eli Tomorast. I've liked this guy as a villain since WG5: Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure, and the new Eli in Maure Castle is just as good. Bad. Whatever.

What I like about Eli is that he's not twirling-his-mustache evil; he's not out to get the PCs (nor even particularly aware they exist) until they intrude upon his domain and (presumably) start messing up his plans. Mostly what Eli wants to do is study the lore of Maure Castle.

I also like Eli because he has allies who care about him, or at least are loyal to him. His familiar Rel carried Eli's tongue (? I think) around in a jar until Rel could find someone to resurrect his master. His freakin' tongue in a freakin' jar. Yuck! Would you do that for your friends?

And once Yug-Anark res'd Eli, she has remained loyal to him... at least thus far... giving Eli a very powerful spellcasting ally of precisely the right type (divine caster) to complement his arcane mastery. Now the DM doesn't have to feel bad about having Eli return to life every time the PCs kills him, because that's really what Yug-Anark would do.

To this point, I haven't even mentioned the inherent coolness of Eli's demon hands. I mean, they kind of make the Hand (singular) of Vecna look lame, right? "I'll see your Hand (singular) of Vecna... *thunk*... and raise you this other... *thunk*... hand." (*thunk* = sound of Eli cutting off his own hands to get the demon ones grafted on)

In summary, Eli Tomorast is a bad, bad man. He's the kind of wizard whose handy haversack has the phrase "Bad Mother F---er" printed on it.

Probably in blood.


Voted for Azurax. Mt. Thalask was a the first Dungeon adventure to kick over my table and challenge my expectations to a fist fight.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

There were several bad guys like Harbinger and Viktor who almost made it on to this list, but I didn't want to make the list TOO long, so I kept the list to only the top 25 or so who got the most nominations back on the "Who is your favorite villain?" thread I started up a few weeks ago. If they only got a few callouts, they got left off the list. In a few cases, like for Demogorgon and Malcanthet, I made some executive decisions to include them anyway, and in others, such as the case of Viktor and Harbinger, I decided to cut them loose. If there's enoung of an outcry that someone got left off, that'll certainly have an impact on what I do with the results of this poll, of course...

As for the spelling of villain... I'll see if I can fix it in the title of the thread.

Contributor

I can only pick one this time?

*sits in the corner, curls up in the fetal position, and begins rocking back and forth*


I voted for Smenk... even his name invokes a vision of some sort of slimey bastard.

Sovereign Court

My players hated Smenk, one more vote for him


GO BALABAR GO!!! HE'S THE MEDIEVAL KINGPIN!!!

Contributor

James Jacobs wrote:
If there's enough of an outcry that someone got left off, that'll certainly have an impact on what I do with the results of this poll, of course...

OUTCRY!!!

;-)

GUAYAKI!!!

Dark Archive

I really wanted to vote for Shahng. But since she isn't on the list my vote goes to Lashonna.

Dark Archive

Anyone whose players love/hate Smenk (my friends pronounce it "SHHmenk" in imitation of the way I intoned his sausage-lipped voice) and who also has "Sharn-City of Towers" has to take a peek at the section with all the brothels. Firelight, I think...? There's a great picture in there that MUST be "SHHmenk", even though I believe the book was published awhile before the adventure.


I voted for big Vhalantru... I love beholders.

If it weren't for the previous poll, I'd go all out for Kambranex (a.k.a. Dr. Robotnik) from Dungeon 91.

/d

Dark Archive

Holy cow! Prince Zeech all the way! Who doesn't love the Merovingian in D&D form, complete with his urbane and civilized "dinner-with-the-architects-of-my-doom" ROLEplaying adventure?!?! You Smenk people are nuts. I tell 'ya.

Scarab Sages

Gotta go with Vlaakith the Lich Queen! I love her shtick... If your people aren't fanatically devoted to you, devour their soul as punishment. If they are fanatically devoted to you, they advance up the ladder then you devour their souls and it's an honor! Soul-munching goodness either way!


Mmm...souls...

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