In SCAP (Flood Season), one of my buffed-up players got seriously "de-buffed" from a Dispel Magic from Tarkilar. Yet we ran into a quandry. The party cleric had cast Magic Weapon on the character's Greataxe. Tarkilar used a "targeted" dispel. The PHB mentions that the "targeted" dispel can be cast on a creature or object, but the examples suggest that creature targetted version is for dispelling buffs, whereas the object targetted version is for *permanent* magic items, and I can find any example that clarifies this little dilemna. Magic Weapon is effectively just a temporary buff, but it's cast on the weapon, not the PC.
How do you guys think I should rule on this?
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I'd rule that Magic Weapon would remain in effect.
Object target is object target, permanent effect or not. If the rules suggest that a dispel magic only effects him and not his magic items, then that applies even to a temporarily magic item.
If you want to catch all the spells you have to use an area dispel and take the chance that you're not going to wipe all the spells. It's a risk you have to take.
I'd rule that Magic Weapon would remain in effect.
Object target is object target, permanent effect or not. If the rules suggest that a dispel magic only effects him and not his magic items, then that applies even to a temporarily magic item.
I'd disagree. The cleric's magic is the source of the bonus to the weapon and it can be dispelled along with things like temporary hit points and buffs to ones armour etc. Note that its the clerics power that decides how long the spell lasts and, in the case of greater magic weapon even how much of a magic boost the weapon has.
If you want to catch all the spells you have to use an area dispel and take the chance that you're not going to wipe all the spells. It's a risk you have to take.The area version only potentially dispels one magical effect on each targeted creature.
I'd disagree. The cleric's magic is the source of the bonus to the weapon and it can be dispelled along with things like temporary hit points and buffs to ones armour etc. Note that its the clerics power that decides how long the spell lasts and, in the case of greater magic weapon even how much of a magic boost the weapon has.I'd rule that Magic Weapon would remain in effect.
Object target is object target, permanent effect or not. If the rules suggest that a dispel magic only effects him and not his magic items, then that applies even to a temporarily magic item.
I'd just limit the argument to the fact that dispel magic removes buffs to AC applied directly to one's armor, and therefore it applies to temporary buffs to weapons as well. The rules are pretty big on ruling that spells affecting "a person" typically also effect anything "on the person" where applicable, and that something held in hand is "on the person" as well. Yes, this leaves room open for some debate about why it doesn't take out the permanent enchantment as well, but the answer would be "balance" before anything else, with (possibly superflous) attempts at in-game explanations following.
The main thing here is to remember to be consistent with the ruling, and it should be fine.
How do you guys think I should rule on this?
Items in one's possession are generally considered to be part of one's "person." The magic weapon spell should be subject to dispelling. Permanent magic items in the target's possession are unaffected because they (presumably) have no spells currently in effect on them.
So what about a continual flame torch? If it is in the PCs belt or in a common sack is it effected by a targeted dispel magic?
Say a sorc makes the torch and carries it around with him is it effected by a dispel magic targeted at the sorc? Or is it an object that must be dispelled seperately?