
EileenProphetofIstus |

EileenProphetofIstus wrote:I will tell you who could whup Conan, the Legion of Super-Heroes.The Legion of Super Villains get a cloning facility, find Conan's dna, and make a clone army of CLONANs. With Legion flight rings.
And laser swords.And laser axes.
The Legion of Superheroes is eff-bombed.
Wouldn't work, Dream Girl would have a vision of the Legion of Super Villains getting ready to get Conan DNA and the LSH would be there to stop them as they always do. Therefore your alleged CLONANS would never exist. Thus he is defeated. And clearly someone or something defeated Conan in the first place because by the time the 30th century rolls around he is long since dead. And don't give me any of that "suspended animation crap". Such technology wasn't developed until 2456, and time travel wasn't available until the 30th century.

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Heathansson wrote:Wouldn't work, Dream Girl would have a vision of the Legion of Super Villains getting ready to get Conan DNA and the LSH would be there to stop them as they always do. Therefore your alleged CLONANS would never exist. Thus he is defeated. And clearly someone or something defeated Conan in the first place because by the time the 30th century rolls around he is long since dead. And don't give me any of that "suspended animation crap". Such technology wasn't developed until 2456, and time travel wasn't available until the 30th century.EileenProphetofIstus wrote:I will tell you who could whup Conan, the Legion of Super-Heroes.The Legion of Super Villains get a cloning facility, find Conan's dna, and make a clone army of CLONANs. With Legion flight rings.
And laser swords.And laser axes.
The Legion of Superheroes is eff-bombed.
Conan wouldn't need suspended animation. Conan exists outside of time, and is technically immortal.
Nothing can whup Conan. Period.

EileenProphetofIstus |

Conan defies explanation. Conan does as Conan does.EileenProphetofIstus wrote:How does Conan do this?Larry Lichman wrote:Conan wouldn't need suspended animation. Conan exists outside of time, and is technically immortal.
Nothing can whup Conan. Period.
I'm not super familar with Conan lore so I'm going to assume that "Nothing can whup Conan. Period. Conan Defies explanation. Conan does as Conan does?" is a technical term.
Most regretfully, nothing is defined as follows according to the internet dictionary....
1. no thing; not anything; naught: to say nothing.
2. no part, share, or trace (usually fol. by of): The house showed nothing of its former magnificence.
3. something that is nonexistent.
4. nonexistence; nothingness: The sound faded to nothing.
5. something or someone of no importance or significance: Money is nothing when you're without health.
6. a trivial action, matter, circumstance, thing, or remark: to exchange a few nothings when being introduced.
7. a person of little or no importance; a nobody.
8. something that is without quantity or magnitude.
9. a cipher or naught: Nothing from nine leaves nine.
10. (used in conventional responses to expressions of thanks): Think nothing of it. It's nothing. Nothing to it.
–adverb 11. in no respect or degree; not at all: It was nothing like that. Nothing dismayed, he repeated his question.
–adjective 12. amounting to nothing, as in offering no prospects for satisfaction, advancement, or the like: She was stuck in a nothing job.
—Idioms13. for nothing, a. free of charge.
b. for no apparent reason or motive.
c. futilely; to no avail: They had gone to a great deal of expense for nothing.
14. in nothing flat, in very little time: Dinner was finished in nothing flat.
15. make nothing of, a. to treat lightly; regard as easy.
b. to be unsuccessful in comprehending: He could make nothing of the complicated directions.
16. nothing but, nothing other than; only: We could see nothing but fog.
17. nothing doing, a. Informal. emphatically no; certainly not.
b. no activity, inducement, advantage, etc., present to the eye: We drove through the town but there seemed to be nothing doing.
18. nothing less than or short of, absolutely; completely: She was used to nothing less than the best.
19. think nothing of, a. to treat casually.
b. to regard as insignificant: He thinks nothing of lying to conceal his incompetence.
So it stands to reason that SOMEONE of great importance could defeat Conan. I think I am particularly important, so therefore I believe I could defeat Conan. I think you are particularly important so therefore YOU could defeat Conan. Heck I even think Heath is important...but then I have been wrong on occasion.
It would seem this doesn't bode well for Conan, though your efforts to defend him are admireable. By the way, why doesn't he stand up for himself, why is it that all of his "little warriors" do all the talking?

Kruelaid |

King Conan, Mongoose's Conan 2nd Ed.
Yah I double posted this. You got a problem with that take it up with Conan.

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Larry Lichman wrote:Conan defies explanation. Conan does as Conan does.EileenProphetofIstus wrote:How does Conan do this?Larry Lichman wrote:Conan wouldn't need suspended animation. Conan exists outside of time, and is technically immortal.
Nothing can whup Conan. Period.
I'm not super familar with Conan lore so I'm going to assume that "Nothing can whup Conan. Period. Conan Defies explanation. Conan does as Conan does?" is a technical term.
Most regretfully, nothing is defined as follows according to the internet dictionary....
1. no thing; not anything; naught: to say nothing.
2. no part, share, or trace (usually fol. by of): The house showed nothing of its former magnificence.
3. something that is nonexistent.
4. nonexistence; nothingness: The sound faded to nothing.
5. something or someone of no importance or significance: Money is nothing when you're without health.
6. a trivial action, matter, circumstance, thing, or remark: to exchange a few nothings when being introduced.
7. a person of little or no importance; a nobody.
8. something that is without quantity or magnitude.
9. a cipher or naught: Nothing from nine leaves nine.
10. (used in conventional responses to expressions of thanks): Think nothing of it. It's nothing. Nothing to it.
–adverb 11. in no respect or degree; not at all: It was nothing like that. Nothing dismayed, he repeated his question.
–adjective 12. amounting to nothing, as in offering no prospects for satisfaction, advancement, or the like: She was stuck in a nothing job.
—Idioms13. for nothing, a. free of charge.
b. for no apparent reason or motive.
c. futilely; to no avail: They had gone to a great deal of expense for nothing.
14. in nothing flat, in very little time: Dinner was finished in nothing flat.
15. make nothing of, a. to treat lightly; regard as easy.
b. to be unsuccessful in comprehending: He could make nothing of the complicated directions.
16....
Conan wouldn't acknowledge our posts with a response. It is beneath him.
(I love this post, BTW. I got a good chuckle out of it).

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King Conan, Mongoose's Conan 2nd Ed.
Yah I double posted this. You got a problem with that take it up with Conan.
I'm good. No need to bother the Man...

Bill Lumberg |
Ok, if Conan stood in front of a mirror of opposition and battled himself, who would win, Conan #1 or the opposition, and why? No fair saying "because he is the original" or some similar comment. I want hard cold facts.....
I would bet on the opposition Conan. Let's assume that Conan is right-handed like most decent, moral, respectable folk. He would be most accustomed to fighting other right-handed opponents. The opposite Conan would fight from a reversed stance and move in the opposite direction. This would give opposite Conan an advantage in an otherwise evenly-matched battle. Thus Conan would get whupped.

EileenProphetofIstus |

EileenProphetofIstus wrote:Ok, if Conan stood in front of a mirror of opposition and battled himself, who would win, Conan #1 or the opposition, and why? No fair saying "because he is the original" or some similar comment. I want hard cold facts.....I would bet on the opposition Conan. Let's assume that Conan is right-handed like most decent, moral, respectable folk. He would be most accustomed to fighting other right-handed opponents. The opposite Conan would fight from a reversed stance and move in the opposite direction. This would give opposite Conan an advantage in an otherwise evenly-matched battle. Thus Conan would get whupped.
Excellent reasoning! Thank You, I feel a lot better now. Actually I was beginning to think this thread was some sort of "goes without saying Conan has to win and we don't even really think about why or how, its just a Conan wins because I said sort of thing." I kept hoping this thread was meant for serious and logical discussion. Thanks again. (Walks off with her nose in the air.)

EileenProphetofIstus |

Conan vs. Conan? Right handed Conan vs. left handed Conan? Good COnan versus evil Conan?
Are you mad? What is the sound of one hand clapping? If a tree falls...
NONONONO! Most likely the two of them would swagger off together and kill everyone--except the wenches.
Where are the cold hard facts and who's the winner. There has to be a winner! I want a winner! Please tell me that who the winner is and why....just the facts please.....

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Bill Lumberg wrote:Excellent reasoning! Thank You, I feel a lot better now. Actually I was beginning to think this thread was some sort of "goes without saying Conan has to win and we don't even really think about why or how, its just a Conan wins because I said sort of thing." I kept hoping this thread was meant for serious and logical discussion. Thanks again. (Walks off with her nose in the air.)EileenProphetofIstus wrote:Ok, if Conan stood in front of a mirror of opposition and battled himself, who would win, Conan #1 or the opposition, and why? No fair saying "because he is the original" or some similar comment. I want hard cold facts.....I would bet on the opposition Conan. Let's assume that Conan is right-handed like most decent, moral, respectable folk. He would be most accustomed to fighting other right-handed opponents. The opposite Conan would fight from a reversed stance and move in the opposite direction. This would give opposite Conan an advantage in an otherwise evenly-matched battle. Thus Conan would get whupped.
Even if opposite Conan wins, he is still Conan. Hence, Conan wins again! When Conan fights Conan, Conan will always win.
Conan is truly undefeatable.

EileenProphetofIstus |

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Even if opposite Conan wins, he is still Conan. Hence, Conan wins again! When Conan fights Conan, Conan will always win.Conan is truly undefeatable.
Conan was still defeated, thus he was still whupped. The title of the thread is "Who could whup Conan", and now we know, Conan could whup himself. Yes a Conan wins, but a Conan also gets whupped.

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Easy. Conan'd win. The duplicate ain't Conan.
Conan would just break the mirror like in Conan the Destroyer. The Bizarro Conan would get all cut up and die.
Then the mirror would blow up, and the castle would break up.
But Conan'd swim out of there, and he and Grace Jones and Olivia D'abo, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar would ride off and go do some more stuff. With Mako.

EileenProphetofIstus |

Easy. Conan'd win. The duplicate ain't Conan.
Conan would just break the mirror like in Conan the Destroyer. The Bizarro Conan would get all cut up and die.
Then the mirror would blow up, and the castle would break up.
But Conan'd swim out of there, and he and Grace Jones and Olivia D'abo, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar would ride off and go do some more stuff. With Mako.
Regretfully, you are incorrect. The opposition effect takes place as soon as Conan looks in the mirror, which would occur before he could swing his sword. If he knew it was a mirror of opposition and put a blind fold on in advance then I would declare foul for using meta gaming thinking. Thus, Conan looks in the mirror, the effect happens, and Conan can then swing at the mirror, breaking it. Regretfully, for him the mirror has already done it work. Thus while he is shattering the mirror, the opposition is already in the process of making chop suey out of him. This gives the opposition one more attack than Conan receives, thus he dies first (all things considering equal). Then we throw in the right hand left hand theory and we see Conan is now at a distinct disadvantage.
So far we have established that Conan could be beat by "Nothing" as defined by the dictionary as well as his own sorry a**.
I'm terribly sorry, but you guys need to find a new hero. May I suggest Ferris Bueller!
However, I will give you this.....
After Conan is defeated and goes down....with the miror of opposition Conan standing over him.....Conan could roll a 20 and suddenly get back 1/4 his hit points....Oh wait, maybe not, we don't have 4th edition stats for Conan, so I guess not....my bad.
Conan couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

Sathallarin |
Wow....
Anyone here old enough to remember the old "What If" comics made by marvel?
Try this one out...
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/cover2.asp?tid=3592&cid=39189
Conan didn't come away unscathed...he was even missing his sword hand.
I guess he didn't do too terribly bad, even considering he was using an Addy longsword to fight Wolverine.
Even on equal footing, Conan was unable to beat an opponent who was using claws much shorter than the Barbarian's own sword. If Wolverine had not been distracted by the wizard who had employed Conan, the barabrian would have simply... bled out.
Conan and Elric of Melnibone battled side by side in "Conan the Barbarian" #14 and #15
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?comicTableID=36184
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?comicTableID=37546
That is not to say that Conan would not give Elric a run for his money...after all, Elric' table top RPG stats are much more favorable than Conan's...even without Stormbringer's aid. After all, even the runeswords Stormbringer and Mournblade would be unable to penetrate Melnibonean plate...as it states in the first Elric novel.
As strong and fast as he is, Conan is no match for a fighter of equal speed and skill with unbreachable armour.

Tensor |

My favorite "What if..." is #43.
What if Conan the Babarian ...where stranded in the 20th Century?.
That front cover must be made into a wallpaper for a desktop.
- It's a sequel to What If #13, a comic in which Conan finds himself stranded in 1970's New York by an evil sorcerer. He meets a nice looking female cabbie, bones her and then makes his escape back to the Hyperborean age by waving some ancient artifact or other in front of a bolt of lightning that hits the roof of the Guggenheim museum."
I have this one, in fact. It has some of the best lines, like after pulling a bullet out his back, he decrees ...this is not magic, just an advanced catapult.
Or, there is strength earned in combat and then there is what you do... as he cracks the skull of some body builder in a gym calling him out.
heh... check out Conan in the pimp suit at the bottom!