I think that Wampusscat tried to enter a post, but I'm not seeing it. Try it again 'Cat'.
Also point out the uber characters and rules lawyering caused the uber enemies.I have been playing with this group for a couple of years now. I did not participate in this game however. I used to be a big powergamer too but got bored doing so. This guilty party always power games, appropiate or not to the GM's and players hopes and goals for the game. Killer GM has no qualms about making them pay for there habits. Of the two worst power gamers in my opinion, one of the players likes the challenge of big bad guys but doesn't realize that it hurts the other players who do not power game chances of of surviving and enjoying the game. The other player just like powerful characters and dies, repeatedly, and instead of playing a more reasonable character with a better mindset about it, he makes something more power-gamed and annoyed that yet another character has died, further exagorating the problem. I give our killer GM props for handling well this issue reasonably well. He managed to kill one of the 20+ times out of his 78ish without resorting to TPK's every session to deal with them.
I too have a player who is doing this in my current campaign. He doesn't seem to realize that he isn't "matching wits" with me but just making things tougher for the rest of the non-munkin party.
But instead making it harder this time I am simply telling him that he has to write up a new character as it doesn't fit.
Also point out the uber characters and rules lawyering caused the uber enemies.I have been playing with this group for a couple of years now. I did not participate in this game however. I used to be a big powergamer too but got bored doing so. This guilty party always power games, appropiate or not to the GM's and players hopes and goals for the game. Killer GM has no qualms about making them pay for there habits. Of the two worst power gamers in my opinion, one of the players likes the challenge of big bad guys but doesn't realize that it hurts the other players who do not power game chances of of surviving and enjoying the game. The other player just like powerful characters and dies, repeatedly, and instead of playing a more reasonable character with a better mindset about it, he makes something more power-gamed and annoyed that yet another character has died, further exagorating the problem. I give our killer GM props for handling well this issue reasonably well. He managed to kill one of the 20+ times out of his 78ish without resorting to TPK's every session to deal with them.I too have a player who is doing this in my current campaign. He doesn't seem to realize that he isn't "matching wits" with me but just making things tougher for the rest of the non-munkin party.
But instead making it harder this time I am simply telling him that he has to write up a new character as it doesn't fit.
ArchLich, you have done the thing that "mulishly determined to frag upstarts" murderously-minded GMs' the world over often forget - remind the player that, ultimately, you're running the show for everyone's benefit, not just any one person's. Granted, it would be within your rights as the GM to drop a rock on his face from orbit at a +576 attack bonus doing, say, 6d6 x100 hit points bludgeoning damage to extirpate the PC in question. ^_^
In short, I agree with the "tell 'im to make a new character" approach - 'tis far, far less stressful in the long term.
About Arcane Strike
I just got done talking to WotC help line.
The key thing with Arcane Strike is that channeling a spell for the strike is supposed to be a swift action. So one could at most perform 2 spells into the strike, if my interpretation is correct, one for swift and other for a move action. This apparently was better covered in the rules compendium
HOWEVER if one was to polymorph into a hydra all natural attacks would receive the bonus to hit and damage. I would work a lot like power attack, but instead of getting a minus to hit, your using up one of your spells per day.
P.S.
Also the bonuses to hit form multiple spells should not stack, while the bonus damage would. So the best a duskblade would be able to pull of on a single attack would be +5 to hit, +10D4 damage, and if they used the polymorph domain, or had an time of the sort at a high enough level, they could get +5 to hit and +5D4 damage with each of its' heads, which is still a lot but much more reasonable.
About Arcane Strike
Alright! Sir Hexen Ineptus has finally posted. I must confess to being a fan, your antics made the early journal most enjoyable and was one of the things that got me really interested in Allen's journal when I first got started at Paizo. The new confirmation on how Arcane Strike works sounds much more in line with what I believe the intended usage is. Sometimes important rules end up on the cutting room floor after editing though.
PS: Twas I that named thee thus, Sir Hexen Ineptus!
About Arcane Strike
Alright! Sir Hexen Ineptus has finally posted. I must confess to being a fan, your antics made the early journal most enjoyable and was one of the things that got me really interested in Allen's journal when I first got started at Paizo. The new confirmation on how Arcane Strike works sounds much more in line with what I believe the intended usage is. Sometimes important rules end up on the cutting room floor after editing though.
PS: Twas I that named thee thus, Sir Hexen Ineptus!
Thank you, In this forum I will be speaking out of character for the most part sense the campaign is over. If I were to speak in character of one of the following posts it will have quotes around it and the name of said character before the quotes.
Thank you, In this forum I will be speaking out of character for the most part sense the campaign is over. If I were to speak in character of one of the following posts it will have quotes around it and the name of said character before the quotes.
Actually good Sir, you can clearly deliniate out of character commentary - or, in this case, in character commentary, by going [ ooc] (removing that space after the first bracket) and likewise after such a comment with [ /ooc](again, removing that space after the first bracket). Such comments appear when done correctly.
Hi, personally, I think what you two did is to be polite, dreadful, speaking as the ONLY character that started and
ended the game, you two stink!!! If you as a gamemaster did
not want us to win, then you should not have run the module,
and for a PC to side with the GM against the others, well, I
will NEVER trust you with my back again. That is what hurts,
the most I trusted you two rats. Hope you are happy, you
have wrecked the memory of the game for me.
Torsin,
I had not expected this reaction - especially so strong a reaction when putting together this undertaking for the conclusion of the Age of Worms. I do most profusely apologize to you and Sir Ineptus both. It did not occur to me that any one could take such a thing in a game so personally, even as upset as Sir Ineptus was at the end of events.
My humblest apologies,
Turin
After reading the logs of the last fight, and experiencing the game my self I came to a conclusion I have a few words I want to say!
I played a single character almost from the very beginning. She was responsible for 1/4th of the deaths. The GM was happy to allow my home brewed template to be tested. The character was a hex blade that was a sword and board, two weapon fighting, leap attacker. It was by far a weak build and was more concerned with playing a personality, actually role playing. As stated before, this got her killed A LOT. I honestly feel I played her skills to the best of her abilities, and to her personality, constantly wanted to protect her newly wanted lover, Torsin. Toward the end of the campaign I was faced with the facts, 20+ deaths; the character wasn't working, and so I made my duskblade.
The duskblade was a grey elf dragon born, with the feral template. At my current understanding I would have only had two claw attacks and have taken 1 level into barbarian to get pounce. This character was an arcane striker, shock trooper, leap attacker. Although made to be functional it was also rich in character. This character died, in ratio, a lot less and was more effective, and completely by the book. The GM has NO room to complain in this character or his items and feat selection as it was 100% from the book in with, at least my, best interpretation of the rules. With the exception of the misunderstandings of bonuses to hit stacking with arcane strike, and the lack of hit dice progression in the feral template, this character was by the books, run as written (RAW). The concept was an old one, in a different setting and faced with new goals. Grant it I could have played him better, but I was too distracted with wining and surviving the campaign.
After seeing things like a probable animal intelligence creature, which if intelligence had NO reason to have any knowledge of magic decided to take the power gaming characters body that had an anti magic field on it and swing it onto the others JUST because it had and anti magic field was RIDICULES. IT by no concept or understanding possible on the existence of anti magic fields. In one situation he made an disjunction field stretch 15 feet more that possible in the book, JUST to get ride of my items! Which were all 100% lugit and out of the book at this point. Other things happened. After having a solar of Palor use miracle to ask him to bring back most the PCs, and flubbing the wording, he contemplated allowing Palor to make the PCs into #*%#$%^ UNDEAD!!! Also he challenged the very concept of the the motivations of the solars. Hmmm... lets see here, solars of palor faced with an undead worm demigod, even if gated, what might they do....? Obviously faced with an evil of such a type, they would do ANYTHING possible to kill the thing. I am not sure as to the GM even actually planing cleaving the solars after the maze spell. He had told me that it was MY action to get out of the spell, I had casted a find the path quickened, which was assured to me as a swift action, and then a move to leave it. It was never told to me in game that it was my, and the solar's entire action. I was told that the solars had to pop out of right next to me, which I question, but with their faster flying speed, I see no reason, even retconing the situation, why they couldn't get a wish off. Also in the way the cleric was killed it was easy to see that GM was retconing the readied action entirely determined to killing off the PCs at the end. I was going through my verbal actions telling the solars the names of the people I saw dead and wanted to be brought back. This is a free action in this game. This was then interrupted with a comment a long the lines, if your going to do that, then Kias had a readied action to kill you when you got out.
So it is clear to me, this ENTIRE campaign was nothing more than an #$%^@#$^ splatter kill joy of the DM getting his PC kink kills. He had no intension of letting us win from the beginning and we were nothing but his little toys to help him play god.
Sir Ineptus,
Hindsight being the conveyor of clarity that it is leads me to believe that the originally planned-for lengthly-delay of attempting the 'trench run' on Kyuss would have been the better move. (With so few participants willing to pursue the Age of Worms AP to its bitterest end, it was a strong subject of debate as to whether or not to even run the last elements of the campaign in between the last and next-to-last sessions.)
Allen told everyone - and demonstrated from the very first session - that he is a Killer GM. (I seem to recall five character deaths in the very first session of his Age of Worms campaign.) With the general attitude of "the GM's job is to {insert catch phrase here}" that gets paraded about so often, almost everyone seems to have forgotten two key things. First, that this is a game, one which none of us was ever forced to play. Second, that all the participants, the GM to most certainly be included, are gathered together to have fun. The moment that being a GM becomes another job (on top of the two full-time equivelant jobs plus parental and spousal duties, depending on the GM in question) is the same moment that the game ceases to be fun to run. In essence, refrain from lecturing whomever is the GM on what his or her "job" is. To do so, at a minimum, is to invite great verbal unpleasantness.
Am I, as a player in Allen's campaign, excused from what is seen as an act of betrayal in a game? Certainly not, and apologies for which have already been posted above. While I am not a young man anymore, I am no more omniscient than anyone else, prone to mistakes and generally learning from the mistakes I make.
If you closely, and calmly, examine a great many earlier posts however, you might come to realize that despite the character carnage, as players you two performed remarkably well in spite of the kill count. By the rules, Allen did not hold the players to the fence as he certainly could and should have. Copious and free true rez's throughout the campaign and ridiculously escalated magic item reselling values (80%+?!) are two contributing factors that aided and abetted the end-of-campaign degeneration in my opinion, especially at the beginning of the encounter series against Dragotha. In short, while you both racked up a substantial character death count, you also annihilated vast swaths of bad guys and in the end obliterated dread Dragotha and many of Kyuss' mightiest servants - a strong contributing factor to the downfall of said pile of fishbait not even 2 years' game time later.
Are players obligated to play in any campaign that they do not enjoy or dislike? Absolutely not. The caveat to this is equally simple: no one tasked to run as a GM is obligated to candy-coat and spoon-feed the game to whomever is playing at their table.
Reactions such as the one you posted above, in spite of the long-established facts that seem to be have conveniently forgotten, are justifiably considered out of line, at least from my perspective. We could have won - and we didn't. Yes, both he and I are to blame for our parts in what has become unnecessarily dramatic. However, neither of you are exactly free of mistakes, misunderstandings of the game mechanics and so on ad nauseam. None of us are perfect, nor is it sane to expect such from either whomever is behind the screen and those who are in front of it.
As someone totally unrelated to anyone in this game (and on a different continent to boot!), I have to ask both Sir Ineptus and Torsin why you kept coming back if your characters were killed week after week? Were you still having fun with the game, despite continually dying? Did you talk about it with Allen and ask him what your characters were doing wrong?
I ask because I can't understand why you guys kept coming back week after week. Allen must have been doing something right to get you coming back for more. Personally I think that if I was in your position I would have quit out of frustration. I certainly wouldn't have been happy with the final ending to the campaign where the Cleric seems to have switched sides. I can see that you are both obviously angry about it.
Olaf the Stout
Sir Ineptus,
Hindsight being the conveyor of clarity that it is leads me to believe that the originally planned-for lengthly-delay of attempting the 'trench run' on Kyuss would have been the better move. (With so few participants willing to pursue the Age of Worms AP to its bitterest end, it was a strong subject of debate as to whether or not to even run the last elements of the campaign in between the last and next-to-last sessions.)
Allen told everyone - and demonstrated from the very first session - that he is a Killer GM. (I seem to recall five character deaths in the very first session of his Age of Worms campaign.) With the general attitude of "the GM's job is to {insert catch phrase here}" that gets paraded about so often, almost everyone seems to have forgotten two key things. First, that this is a game, one which none of us was ever forced to play. Second, that all the participants, the GM to most certainly be included, are gathered together to have fun. The moment that being a GM becomes another job (on top of the two full-time equivelant jobs plus parental and spousal duties, depending on the GM in question) is the same moment that the game ceases to be fun to run. In essence, refrain from lecturing whomever is the GM on what his or her "job" is. To do so, at a minimum, is to invite great verbal unpleasantness.
Am I, as a player in Allen's campaign, excused from what is seen as an act of betrayal in a game? Certainly not, and apologies for which have already been posted above. While I am not a young man anymore, I am no more omniscient than anyone else, prone to mistakes and generally learning from the mistakes I make.
If you closely, and calmly, examine a great many earlier posts however, you might come to realize that despite the character carnage, as players you two performed remarkably well in spite of the kill count. By the rules, Allen did not hold the players to the fence as he certainly could and should have. Copious and free true rez's throughout the...
We obviously see things differently. You see everything as reasonable and justified, while I see him stretching and all breaking rules, and retconing just to finish a campaign in the way he felt. It was still fun up to the end, when he, in my honest opinion, broke the rules and the intent just to get another kick and disabling us pull off the victory we deserved. So I have every right to be mad, he broke the rules as a GM one too many times for his own kicks, and that is just how it is for me.
As someone totally unrelated to anyone in this game (and on a different continent to boot!), I have to ask both Sir Ineptus and Torsin why you kept coming back if your characters were killed week after week? Were you still having fun with the game, despite continually dying? Did you talk about it with Allen and ask him what your characters were doing wrong?
I ask because I can't understand why you guys kept coming back week after week. Allen must have been doing something right to get you coming back for more. Personally I think that if I was in your position I would have quit out of frustration. I certainly wouldn't have been happy with the final ending to the campaign where the Cleric seems to have switched sides. I can see that you are both obviously angry about it.
Olaf the Stout
For me Olaf, it was two things. First, Allen and I have been D&D buddies for roughly 25 years. Second, simple survival is often the goal. The Age of Worms was mostly fun... up until the end game. For me, IRL, a combination of a seriously heavy work grind (two full-time job equivelancies of work hours since spring) and sheer 'game fatigue' took its toll and seriously affected my perspective of the last few pieces of the Age of Worms. Bluntly, I wanted it to end and was quickly getting to where I wasn't too picky about how I could make it happen - which was were I should probably have demurred from playing, yet didn't.
It still did not occur to me - until Sir Ineptus' and Torsin's posts above - that anyone could take a game so personally. I wanted the game to end - but I was also (again, as posted earlier) plenty willing to entertain either a kamikaze run on Kyuss solo or a lengthly delay (which I cannot rememmber if had been previously mentioned outside of private conversation between us) rather than have the fireworks that are being seen now.
I will take some consolation from learning that it is better to schedule a hiatus for a campaign that is starting to suffer than to watch anything like this happen...
We obviously see things differently. It was still fun up to the end... So I have every right to be mad, ... and that is just how it is for me.
That I can certainly respect. We each have our own perspectives, neither of which 'trumps' (for lack of a better turn of phrase) the other's.
To Turin, I did not expect the stab in the back, from now on I will,
up till I read the post I thought it was on the up and up with the
ending, although, your failing the saving throw was odd. I expected
better from both you and Allen, but, apologize accepted, I just will
NEVER completely trust either of you, again, when it comes to this
type of thing.
Fair enough Torsin, fair enough. Although if that is to extend to the Sunday game, we will have to talk in earnest prior to the game. Not trusting me as a player is one thing ... as the GM, is another.
As someone totally unrelated to anyone in this game (and on a different continent to boot!), I have to ask both Sir Ineptus and Torsin why you kept coming back if your characters were killed week after week? Were you still having fun with the game, despite continually dying? Did you talk about it with Allen and ask him what your characters were doing wrong?
I ask because I can't understand why you guys kept coming back week after week. Allen must have been doing something right to get you coming back for more. Personally I think that if I was in your position I would have quit out of frustration. I certainly wouldn't have been happy with the final ending to the campaign where the Cleric seems to have switched sides. I can see that you are both obviously angry about it.
Olaf the Stout
I had fun with the game. I still got out of it, even with the high body count, all the things I did in a normal game. A tough battle, and able to play a personality I wanted to. I originally was very peeved with a number of the events as rule stretching, but in the end what I think I am been trying to say is that rule stretching was one thing, but this was obvious rule breaking, allowing the GM to say I win because I said so. This didn't become obvious till the very last game.
We obviously see things differently. It was still fun up to the end... So I have every right to be mad, ... and that is just how it is for me.That I can certainly respect. We each have our own perspectives, neither of which 'trumps' (for lack of a better turn of phrase) the other's.
FYI: Things in that game between PCs will remain in that game. I think I have done a fair amount of self control in that area, but if I falter it will not be because of you and please feel free to keep me in line.
FYI: Things in that game between PCs will remain in that game. I think I have done a fair amount of self control in that area, but if I falter it will not be because of you and please feel free to keep me in line.We obviously see things differently. It was still fun up to the end... So I have every right to be mad, ... and that is just how it is for me.That I can certainly respect. We each have our own perspectives, neither of which 'trumps' (for lack of a better turn of phrase) the other's.
Glad to hear that Good Sir. Naturally, I am quite certain should the true rez and circumstances present themselves, the good Brother would get pounced by the other PC's. ^_^ I would expect nothing less.
Turin, considering, you have tried you best to make it enjoyable, AND
told some people to let me do my own actions, I trust you as a GM, I
think you want people to enjoy themselves, but, hon, if you get tired
let me know, I do have ways of dealing with that. I have enjoyed your
games, and with certain exceptions, I have enjoyed playing with most
of the other PCs, I will grant the past couple of months have been stressfull, work wise, for several of us and that may have added to the
situation. Heres to hoping we can move on from here. Anyway, take care
see you Sunday. Hope you have a good Thanksgiving.
Agreed Torsin, the whole idea of a few other players recurrantly piping up on turns other than their own has royally gotten on my nerves. I think an appropriate punishment shall be doled out should it occur again - which I expect it will.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving too, you two - and of course, the entire population of regular Killer GM junkies too!
I have read the posts above from Torsin and Ineputus. I empathize with the unhappiness felt by both as to the campaign's end. I respectfully disagree with the assertions that it was done unfairly, or illegally. All of the day's events were officiated in accordance with the established rules of the game, Ineputus' faulty interpretations of the rules notwithstanding. The group's failure to defeat Dragotha on the 1st or even the 2nd try, the defection of multiple players from the group in the 2-3 game sessions prior to the campaigns end, and the group's move directly to the top of the spire to try to end the game quickly; were the three things that brought about defeat. I adamantly reject all of what was stated by Ineputus, particularly of his personal attacks that were directed at me.
Regarding Turin's actions during the day in question, there was NEVER any agreement (stated OR implied) between Turin and myself to do this. We discussed it on this thread briefly, but there was no plan or intent for him to betray the group. On the 17th of November, prior to the final combat beginning, I fully expected to have to fight Turin's cleric 4.0 along with the rest of the group. Turin's actions surprised me more than anyone else. The rest of the group seemed to have been expecting Turin to "blow everything/one up" judging by their reactions at the time. NO ONE threw a fit about it. Kyuss, having the necessary feats and precast spell, would not have been killed by the 1200 HP damage from the blast, even if he was within range. But the notion that this was an orchestrated plan by Turin and myself is incorrect.
A Very Merry Christmas to all you wonderful Peeps, Sick & Twisted Freaks, and Killer GM's:)
Allen. I thought I'd drop you a line to draw to your attention (if you hadn't noticed already) that one of the posters over on the Age of Worms threads in the Dungeon section is concerned that a Run As Written 'Kelvos the Wormtouched'- that's the corrupt ghaele from the ziggurat in Spire of Long Shadows- is going to TPK his party. I've checked you journal and noticed that he was apparently nothing more than a speed bump to your group (didn't even rate a mention) so take it that the poster in question should have nothing to worry about, and have posted as much myself.
Charles, you are correct, my group was not overly hampered by Kelvos & co. They did not suffer any casualties, but I had more than the standard number of PC's, and my group had several Munchkin PC's & power gaming players. If the group is question is a by-the-book group, devoid of muchkin PC's or power gamers, then Kelvos could concievably be a threat, especially if the group is only 4 to 5 PC's in number. Even so, I would doubt that it's a TPK potential. Maybe if Kelvos and the other corrupted angels can get the PC's close to the walls and break the walls to release the Kyuss worms onto the PC's, but otherwise, I'd suspect to have a casualty or two, but not a TPK.
Same, Charles. Happy New Year to you and yours across the pond.
Incidentally, what part of the UK are you from. Two of my grandparents were English, though I've never visited Briatin before...
Same, Charles. Happy New Year to you and yours across the pond.
Incidentally, what part of the UK are you from. Two of my grandparents were English, though I've never visited Briatin before...I'm currently on the Northern outskirts of the city of Birmingham in the county of the West Midlands. (Somewhere in the middle of England, if your atlas doesn't have Birmingham.)
By the way: Please convey my apologies to Turin. I made a post to him on his Crew #1 thread, clearly headed 'Turin:' and with spoiler tag, but from the posts see that apparently his players (Torsin at least) have been reading it. I endeavoured to e-mail Turin earlier last year on a different matter, but my e-mail system gave me one of those 'your message has not been delivered' responses, so gave up on the idea of trying to contact him using the e-mail information posted here at Paizo in his profile. I had hoped that his players would at least be honourable enough not to read behind a spoiler tag on a post addressed to their DM ahead of a session, however....
Edit: Unless Torsin is dyslexic and frequently mistakes 'Turin' for 'Torsin'? (I have vague recollections of seeing some mention of dyslexia or some such complaint amidst the Crew #1 players.)
I am minimally familiar with Birmingham, and with the basic geograpy of the UK. More familiar with the UK's history. Admittedly, in the U.S., many Americans don't learn a great deal about life outside the U.S., until they reach the university level. We're somewhat of a 'Ameri-centric' lot, I'm afraid... I do confess to being somewhat of an 'Anglophile', and were my wife not Venezuelan I'd be taking trips to the UK on a fairly regular basis. Many of my international trips in the past & future have/will be to South America, alas...
If you're unable to reach Turin, please let me know, and I'll assist in that matter (with other contact info if necessary).
That is most unfortunate Sir Charles, regarding the e-mail snarl up. I did get one from Sir Yasha, however, regarding a spoiler-tagged topic mentioned a few weeks back.
Try putting something in the title to the effect of "from Sir Charles" or "On Matters Cthulhuvian" in the topic part of the e-mail, or I'm very likely to frag it as spam... a combination of the two is usually best to catch my eye from unfamiliar e-mails...
Hi Turin and Allen,
From reading this thread it seems you two have the hang of the whole powergaming thing going. I want to discuss with you one of my current players Druid PC. Can you guys send me an e-mail. My e-mail is ac (underscore) marafioti (at) hotmail (dot) com
Thanks,
Olaf the Stout
Hi Turin and Allen,
From reading this thread it seems you two have the hang of the whole powergaming thing going. I want to discuss with you one of my current players Druid PC. Can you guys send me an e-mail. My e-mail is ac (underscore) marafioti (at) hotmail (dot) com
Thanks,
Olaf the Stout
Gladly Sir Olaf, e-mail has been sent. ^_^
It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.
It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.
I've not yet heard back from the Good Sir Olaf on his Druid Problem. We cannot commiserate on his difficulties if he doesn't communicate with us :P.
It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.I've not yet heard back from the Good Sir Olaf on his Druid Problem. We cannot commiserate on his difficulties if he doesn't communicate with us :P.
Sorry guys, I was away on holidays, camping on the coast for the last few days. As a result I haven't been near a computer to check my e-mails until now. I'll send an e-mail off to Turin shortly.
Thanks,
Olaf the Stout
It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.
Allen, did Turin forward you a copy of the e-mail I sent him?
Olaf the Stout
It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.Allen, did Turin forward you a copy of the e-mail I sent him?
Olaf the Stout
Apologies Olaf, I shall forward Allen a copy of that tonight.
Apologies Olaf, I shall forward Allen a copy of that tonight.It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.Allen, did Turin forward you a copy of the e-mail I sent him?
Olaf the Stout
No worries Turin. I've been looking into the Wildshape ability a little more and it appears that there is quite a bit of errata/clarifications for it that I didn't know about. I'll try and respond to your e-mail in the next day or so.
Olaf the Stout
Turin, I have (finally) replied to your e-mail. Sorry for the delay. If you could forward it on to Allen as well it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Olaf the Stout
Allen (and Turin):
I am currently considering running a PbP here on the Paizo threads, set in the FR (with my spin on it, so various official setting NPCs and events may well be absent), and if I do go ahead, will be looking for players. If it were a 26 point buy, 3.5 edition, NO EVIL ALIGNED CHARACTERS, Regional feats/backgrounds permitted, low level (1st or 2nd) 4-5 PCs, would either of you be interested? (This is still very much in the thoughts gathering stage at present, gaining impressions from reading other peoples threads and taking part in discussions over in the Paizo Chatroom on DM Tools; hence indeed my impertinence in posting here rather than out in the gamer connections section.)Edit:
Probably only the standard classes/races in the PHB, though some Prestige classes (DMG, maybe Faerun books) possibly available later IF NOT PICKED PURELY FOR 'POWER' REASONS.
But ... but ... 'tis Faerun ... twitch ... twitch j/k Sir Olaf, although whether or not either of us can even realistically consider playing in a PbP is another matter altogether.
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It appears Olaf that Turin beat me to the punch. However if Turin will forward me a copy of your e-mail, I'll gladly offer comment on how I attempted to lay the law down on the players, and in how I learned from what mistakes I did make.
Congratulations on finishing the campaign!
It was sad to see some of the bad feeling at the end, but it seems like everyone has kissed and made up.I (possibly rashly) said I'd run Age of Worms myself, and this may be a bit sooner than I thought, since our current DM has decided to fit some extra long sessions in to clear up Shackled City quicker than I expected.
I don't intend to run it as 'Killer DM vs Powergamers'; however, I can't guarantee all the players share my definitions of 'reasonable PCs', 'spirit of the game' or 'the designer's obvious intent', or that one or two of them won't try to slip some uber-cheese past me.
Since you've spent the last two years having to vet a succession of deliberately-broken character builds, I'd love to be able to discuss things with you. Presumably, you've seen every trick in the book, and found the footnotes, side-bars, examples and errata to blow any illegal combos out of the water before they infect my game?
Any other advice and warning on practical issues of the AP would also be greatly appreciated; I'm thinking of;
stat-block errors,
maps that don't line up,
background details that contradict or don't make sense,
villains' suggested tactics or actions that defy logic, and suchlike.
If you're OK with this, please e-mail me at
(robert dot feather at blueyonder dot co dot uk).
One of our regular players is from Birmingham; I'm sure he'll say Hi.
Bob
But ... but ... 'tis Faerun ... twitch ... twitch j/k Sir Olaf, although whether or not either of us can even realistically consider playing in a PbP is another matter altogether.Allen (and Turin):
I am currently considering running a PbP here on the Paizo threads, set in the FR (with my spin on it, so various official setting NPCs and events may well be absent), and if I do go ahead, will be looking for players. If it were a 26 point buy, 3.5 edition, NO EVIL ALIGNED CHARACTERS, Regional feats/backgrounds permitted, low level (1st or 2nd) 4-5 PCs, would either of you be interested? (This is still very much in the thoughts gathering stage at present, gaining impressions from reading other peoples threads and taking part in discussions over in the Paizo Chatroom on DM Tools; hence indeed my impertinence in posting here rather than out in the gamer connections section.)Edit:
Probably only the standard classes/races in the PHB, though some Prestige classes (DMG, maybe Faerun books) possibly available later IF NOT PICKED PURELY FOR 'POWER' REASONS.
My apologies Sir Charles for the brain fart on my end. *Sighs* No rest for the weary GM. It is taking a bit of time to stat up the gruesome demises ... er, formidable foes, that await them still on the Isle of Dread.